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DrCue'sProtege

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this is a perfect example of what i mean when i say that speed just kills me. and also a perfect example of what i mean when i say i am so close to being a pretty decent player. i missed position here by about an inch, and got hosed where the cue ball sits. i couldnt draw back to Point A, had the wrong angle. i couldnt draw it/pop it over to the other side around Point B, had no angle for that either. couldnt go forward because of the 6-Ball. i was just hosed here, by about an inch, one way or another.

its things like this that just kill my game, and prevent me from running racks...........

DCP

p.s. again, can someone make this where the layout appears and not the link?

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it's always easier in retrospect, but a stiff semi low left stun "could" have rolled your white from the 2 to pos b then to a from the 4. keep the thinking going - it will move your game up.

olauzon
 
olauzon said:
it's always easier in retrospect, but a stiff semi low left stun "could" have rolled your white from the 2 to pos b then to a from the 4. keep the thinking going - it will move your game up.

olauzon
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i know what you mean - i sincerely believe that shot wouldnt have gotten me there either. i was just in "No Mans Land" where i ended up..........:(

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
this is a perfect example of what i mean when i say that speed just kills me. and also a perfect example of what i mean when i say i am so close to being a pretty decent player. i missed position here by about an inch, and got hosed where the cue ball sits. i couldnt draw back to Point A, had the wrong angle. i couldnt draw it/pop it over to the other side around Point B, had no angle for that either. couldnt go forward because of the 6-Ball. i was just hosed here, by about an inch, one way or another.

its things like this that just kill my game, and prevent me from running racks...........

DCP

p.s. again, can someone make this where the layout appears and not the link?

http://CueTable.com/P/?@1BWmu4CAtn2DXeu4ECis1FTNC4GIby2ICIy4PWdH4QUTb3RMTE@
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Okay, I really don't think you should focus on all the bad-beats you're going to take. I mean, if you want, we can start a list for future reference:

1. I almost made 7 balls on the break yet none went in
2. How to wake-up in the morning when your last opponent plays perfect
3. Skids - Poolgods are ***** ****** ******* *********** *** ****
4. I played the perfect safety yet he still kicked it in AND got out
5. How to park the cueball on the break and still scratch


My Favorite:

6. Future Book: Play Your Best Pool and Still Go Two and Out


I mean, what can anyone say about misfortune? Perhaps, you should consider playing something with less luck involved like poker.
 
Craig Fales said:
I'd stroke the shot with low and just a tick of left and try and bump the seven...
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That is exactly what I was thinking. I would probably draw a little harder and risk coming out below the shot to ensure I did not get blocked by the 7.
 
Sometimes you just can't do what you want to do and must "take what the table gives you."

In this situation I would think defense and slow roll the 2 ball against the head rail and try to freeze the CB behind the 6. Or cut the 2 sharply to the left and put the CB on the lower rail behind the 6.
 
A. I think DCP should learn how tto embed his own layouts. Multiple people have posted easy instructions. It appears he doesn't care to learn. Don't respond to any of his posts anymore until he takes the time to learn.

B. DCP, it really does look like you focus overly on the negative. You have been told this multiple times, yet you still do it. Champions do not do this to their game. Heck, mere "good" players do not do this to their game.

C. Work on trying not to get to extremely difficult positions, instead of asking how to extricate yourself from them. It would be MUCH more helpful to your game to display the shot on the 1 that led you to this position. You "might" have just went just a bit too far, but then again, your position path might have doomed you to failure unless you hit it perfectly. We'll nevr know, since you did not post it.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
A. I think DCP should learn how tto embed his own layouts. Multiple people have posted easy instructions. It appears he doesn't care to learn. Don't respond to any of his posts anymore until he takes the time to learn.

B. DCP, it really does look like you focus overly on the negative. You have been told this multiple times, yet you still do it. Champions do not do this to their game. Heck, mere "good" players do not do this to their game.

C. Work on trying not to get to extremely difficult positions, instead of asking how to extricate yourself from them. It would be MUCH more helpful to your game to display the shot on the 1 that led you to this position. You "might" have just went just a bit too far, but then again, your position path might have doomed you to failure unless you hit it perfectly. We'll nevr know, since you did not post it.

Russ
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Russ - you are correct. I had hoped after his layoff that DCP had learned something but this is "deja vu all over again"
 
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Jeez, you have a straight in bank. Think outside the box and be at least a little creative. There's more options, pick one.

Rod
 
dude are you saying that if you hadn't gotten bad shape on the 2 you would have gotten out? if i never missed possition, or shots for that matter, i'd run out a lot more too
 
I don't think your position was bad at A.. going forward leaves too long of a shot on the 4 making the run-out very difficult.

how about drawing one rail (from position A).. this will get you much closer to the 4 than position B and allow easier shape on the 5. Unless you go into the 7, but the angle on the diagram looks workable.
 
I personally don't see what the problem is here. If you can't stiff draw whitey and stay on the low side of the seven ball for a shot on the three, take up golf........

Russ...
 
DCP: when you paste that cuetable.com link, just do this at the front:
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Then it'll appear in your post. You'll want to type it with a proper letter "i" instead of the funny one I used.

Some positions have a no-man's-land like the one you're showing. Even so, drawing back to bump the 7 seems like a fine idea, and you may be surprised at how much cheating the pocket can help... as drawn, I think you could draw without hitting the 7 if you cheat it as much as possible.

The problem isn't so much that you got an inch off, but that you didn't see the possibility of this no-man's-land position so you didn't take steps to avoid it. You should send the cueball along a line where it will absolutely have to cut the ball and run into the nearest side rail. It doesn't matter if you left yourself a sharpish cut into that rail or a shallow cut into that rail... as long as you're on the correct side of the ball you're fine to play position on the 3 in one corner or the other.

Every shot has a correct side. Some shots seem to have more than one, but there's always one that will be safer than the other. In this case, all 'into the rail' angles were safe, and most 'away from the rail' angles are safe. So between the two, you needed to commit to the angle that's always going to be a sure bet.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i missed position here by about an inch, and got hosed where the cue ball sits. ...

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No, you missed position not by an inch but by about two feet. You should have left the cue ball in the middle of the table -- roughly right between the side pockets -- so that you could play the shot with right draw to come across the table one or two cushions for the three ball. Your problem is not a failure in execution; it is one of planning. The first thing to learn about nine ball is to leave yourself a half-ball shot if you have to move the cue ball for the next shot.

Leave the precision position to the 14.1 and one pocket players. If you want to learn precision position, play those games.
 
Bob Jewett said:
No, you missed position not by an inch but by about two feet. You should have left the cue ball in the middle of the table -- roughly right between the side pockets
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that would have left a very, VERY tough shot on the 2-Ball........

my point here is that i could have been anywhere close to where i ended up and still had a way to get to the 3-Ball. just somewhere close, thats all. but where i ended up, that exact point, was the ABSOLUTE WORST spot i could have ended up. it left me with absolutely NOTHING. and this seems to happen to me all the time.

DCP
 
and that is likely why 9-ball is so hard for you. you need to get comfortable with cuts towards the corner pockets. when your comfortable with the cuts, get comfortable applying low side english to the cuts. thats 9-ball right there.
 
Well, don't take it hard but... if bob's suggestion (leaving about a 40 degree cut) is a shot you can't make like 80% of the time, maybe you should try getting away from 9 ball. The thing that gives 9 ball a different flavor from all the others is that you need to be able to make cuts like that all day long, because the game demands you move the cueball across the table a lot which requires a good amount of angle.

Not sure about what point you're making about landing in the unlucky zone. Did you want someone to say "well if you really work at your speed control you will never again be off by 1-3 inches?" ...you know even pros get out of line by that much every game. Did you want someone to say "boy you're the unluckiest guy on earth?" ...I'll get right on the phone to god about that to see if we can't fix it, lol =)

Seriously, I guess you want sympathy or encouragement, but I think in this case you're letting "woe is me" stuff blind you to the good suggestions people are making. Take it to the bank that if a guy who writes in one of the top pool magazines says you f*ed up your planning, then that's exactly what happened. I don't mean any offense, I want everyone to learn and improve. Practice those 40 degree rail cuts until your eyes bleed and the game of 9 ball will suddenly simplify for you.
 
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Bob is 100% correct in his assessment of your thinking game.

Not knowing your speed level or the pocket size, one solution would be hitting a hard draw with a hair of right spin trying to hit the right side of the corner pocket. Hitting it hard shoots the cue ball further to the left before taking the draw allowing the cue ball to possible avoid the 7; hitting it hard also would allow the cue ball to draw to the end rail & up again for position; the small amount of right spin allows you to hit the object ball slightly more on the left side allowing you to cheat the pocket a little more to throw the ball a little more to the left to help avoid the 7.

Using the same theory, you could do the same without the draw to move the cueball to the opposite long rail & play from there. Either way you should hit it firm.

But next time, get better position as Bob suggests.

Dave
 
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