How about a separate area for CHALK, tired of hearing about that too.
A Plea to Mike Howerton...
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How about a separate area for CHALK, tired of hearing about that too.
TheThaiger
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WOW, Roger, you couldn't be more wrong. Spotlight? Yeah, that's why I'm one step away from quitting this forum.Ever consider that it is because some of us like to help others, but get tired of getting crapped on by those who don't even care to learn anything, but feel the need to butt in anyways??? Man, Roger, you really have no clue, do you?? You can take your spotlight and stick it where the sun don't shine. You teach, but how much help do YOU give others on here? Not much at all, why? Just because you can't charge anyone on here??
Neil. In all sincerity, you MUST stop acting like you're Yoda. You're not.
And either quit the board or don't.
TheThaiger
Banned
So farewell then, aiming systems. I might visit occasionally, I might not. Schadenfreude cannot be overdone.
What pleasure and what misfortune are you talking about?
Aiming topics are very much part of pool. Save yourself future headaches by just leaving them on the main forum.
I for one just want to long on the the main forum and look for the 'funny paper' threads.
If there are burried somewhere else, then I have to go look for them.
Who's "they?" You've been "they" plenty of times. In fact, you've been smack in the middle of "they" writing stupid articles that call pivot aiming and CTE nothing but "marketing." You've been the KING POOBA of "they" posting your articles on the azb home page (basking in the spotlight so much you have a sun tan on your forehead).
My eyes hurt from rolling back so hard. If you want to see aiming system discussions progress, simply keep the "they" out of them such as PJ, Lou and their team out of them so "us" who use them effectively and those who want to learn them CAN without instigating a 15 year old fight over and over.
Go back to making cues that no one buys and giving lessons to people no one knows, head vampire of "they." Maybe write yet another article that has no real conclusion at the end that was based on research you didn't bother doing.
You hit the nail on the head my friend. It's just like when you see a bunch of kids playing with their parents sitting to the side. All the kids keep saying mommy/daddy watch me watch me, and then start to fight because they think their not getting watched enough. When the parents go inside the trouble dies down because there's no one to watch.
I think there will be less fighting, hair pulling, scratching , and eye gouging once they are moved to their time out area.
The forum rules state the following:
To be included, there will be no ad hominem attacks. No name calling nor insults. Disagreeing with someone is fine, but calling them an idiot because of their opinion is not.
All posts will be kept civil.
Spidey's post is a excellent example of a poster engaging in a ad hominem attack, name calling and insulting against another poster.All posts will be kept civil.
If we had the appropriate enforcement of the forum rules, this type of inappropriate behavior would stop almost immediately.
IMO, it doesn't really matter where the aiming threads are located. What does matter is that we put some teeth into enforcing the forum rules.
Just calling a spade a spade. Roger "theying" everyone to death when he's "they" is a joke. Roger pushed a button and I responded.
No different than he's done in the past, or Lou Figawhatever attacking Stan blindly, PJ instigating, Dr. Dave stealing content, or whatever.
Give me a break. "HEY EVERYONE! LOOK! SPIDEY MADE AN ATTACK!"
HELP! HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!
Roger, respectfully, I don't agree with this. I maintain my notion that a change like this has a way of inducing a "red-headed stepchild" impression to those that are getting their information moved. It's natural to think this way. If someone told me that my threads about e.g. how to open and shoot from the subconscious (my personal pride and joy on these forums) was going to be moved into its own subforum because it became a lightning rod, I'd have the same initial feeling. I'd feel that I'd been slighted. But after a short while, I'd get used to the idea, and then even warm up to it, because no longer would people have to use the Search feature to find it -- it's got its own subforum that is easily perused. And, it minimizes the troublemakers intervening because this information is no longer "in their face" via continually-bumped threads, where sometimes people open them to find out why there's so much activity going on in them. Now, the troublemakers have to go look for it, and just the act of entering the new subforum means they are looking for trouble.
I think the new subforum will give everyone what they desire -- a much calmer place to visit, and a teaching / information-sharing platform that is focused in nature. The "red-headed stepchild" nature [of having the information moved] feelings will pass quickly. Looking past our noses, I think we can expect a much calmer board that learned and adapted to a situation unique to the sport it caters to.
-Sean
Great. Now go one step farther and let someone moderate only that section so that it can have useful discussion without the trolls.
An irrelevance? Get a clue. Next time you have a tournament that draws 8000 players let us know about it.
John:
Honestly, I don't think that will be necessary. As I mentioned, I think this has its own solution. Just by being a subforum, it has its own bear-trap teeth. Trolls and troublemakers will now have to go look for trouble -- they have to physically enter the new aiming subforum, and by doing so, can be easily nailed, because they have no reason to be there except to start trouble.
-Sean
This is absolutely correct.
Kinda like NPR, you know what you're in for, before entrance.
We shall see how long The Hatfields (or is it the McCoys?) can hold out before looking to mix it up again. This truly puts the onus on all the usual suspects, you're either there for the discussion, or you went looking to cause trouble.
I have enough problems aiming at the toilet let alone using thoughts from an aiming thread (damn whiskey). I don't mind the threads at all. If it really bothered me I could just skip over them or block them. I kind of get a laugh when people say some important threads get bumped to page 2 or 3 that they might miss....as if hitting the page button is a lot of work or takes a long time.
Not true. I may go there to periodically, not to troll around, but to save people from these threads as I personally think that they are harmful to one's game. Someone has to do it - it is the humanitarian thing to do.
Let me put this another way: don't you feel sorry for all of those people putting in so much energy to play pool well only to get sapped down by aiming threads?
It appears that EVERYONE (aiming yeah sayers) thinks a poster who is anti-aiming threads is a cock roach. And to squash all of these so called roaches out is contrary to what the forum should stand for, especially if the criticism is founded on good principles.
That is a very delicate road to walk. Here's why:
1. I know I'd be the first to ask you this if I was in the "opposition's" position -- what credentials do you have to call them out and say they're wrong?
2. How do you go about disagreeing with someone, and not get their hackles up? *That* alone requires respect, as well as very good writing and forum skills. I dare say these skills are rare.
3. What do you do when you've disagreed, and got that person's hackles up / receipt of their ire? Do you retaliate in kind, or do you let it roll off your back, and try to calm the person down? I dare say that 99% would go toe-to-toe with the person. That includes YOU, btw.
4. Why continue to engage in those threads, when it's been going on for 15 years? What value do YOU offer that will suddenly cause these threads to take a different turn -- especially when you've shown you go toe-to-toe with folks? Sometimes, you just have to let it go. Incorrect information has a way of hanging itself, so if you really disbelieved in the information put out by the aiming threads, you should know that time itself will cause that information to hang itself. If it doesn't, that should say something about that information. The fact that it's been going on for 15 years says something in its own little way -- that there's something to it.
Don't take what I wrote above personally; I'm just telling it like I see it.
-Sean
I know this seems like a solution, certainly easier for the mods. But what happens when some new posters think the aiming gurus might be exaggerating a tad? They are bound to come to the main in search of different views. Or are they trapped in the aiming zone forever, only to have their questions moved back to where they originated?
1. The same folks that are reading the Aiming Conversation subforum, also read this one. Any question that is cross-posted is going to be seen by the very people they're trying to "avoid," so taking the question to another venue only causes the melee to occur in the Main forum -- which the site is trying to avoid in the first place.
2. Sites (like this one) that learn they have a lightning rod topic, do what they need to do to deal with that lightning rod topic. That process is called ADAPTATION. For us pool lovers, that lightning rod topic is the topic of aiming, and devoting a subforum to that lightning rod topic helps to keep any melee associated with that topic away from the Main forum.
3. You're trying to hint at "opening a loophole" to allow some leeway. I don't think it's going to happen, because if you open a crack in a dam, the dam will eventually break.
4. I'm sure that level-headed folks will be reading the Aiming Conversations subforum, and if any outright non-factual info or exaggerated claims is posted in there, the level-headed ones will speak up, and in a respectful way.
I hope that helps,
-Sean