A pool-related business idea

Push&Pool

Professional Banger
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I'm not planning to start a business myself but I've read many threads where people ask if they should open a pool room, a bar with pool tables etc. Those things aren't very profitable these days so many tend to give up on their ideas. But this option suddently crossed my mind today so I'd like to hear your opinion about it.

Instead of spending your investment money on a dozen pool tables which most likely won't be visited very often, what if you took a more cunning approach? Spend the cash to open a small bar, or a bar-fast food combination. Buy 2 cheap 7 footers and a set of cheap bar cues. The quality won't be special, but every banger and casual player will love it, and they will make a huge majority of your guests.

The most important thing is that you should make pool completely free. No table time, no coin ops. After all, you will make 97% of your money selling booze and/or food. The pool equipment was cheap to begin with, so no need to charge it. When the word spreads, the whole city will soon come running to your place to play free pool. You can also buy darts and table football if you have enough cash, and it would be good to make them free as well. That will surely attract lots of people who will order drinks while waiting in line or playing pool (and other games). If your location isn't too far away, I think this would almost certaily ensure high traffic. For all the money you sacrificed by not charging pool, you'll make 20 times as much selling booze.

And don't stop there. Organize weekly tournaments with no fees for everyone who wants to test their skills and have fun. Let first 3 places get some free booze (just to motivate the players :D ). Again, you'll have good income from the competitors ordering food and drinks while playing a potentially long tournament.

In case everything goes well and you start making cash, it's time to plan some further investments. If the interest for the tables is very high and many people are waiting in line for some time to play, then buy a couple of additional barboxes. The customers will be satisfied, the tournaments will be larger and you'll beat the competition (who charges table time) even harder.

Now, if the business goes better than expected, and you really want to attract some top players in the region as well, then buy a couple of good 9 footers and charge table time on those tables. The barboxes don't need to be in perfect condition, as they'll be purely used for fun, mostly by bangers who are used to much worse. Still, keep them and the equipment clean, don't let the guests steal, damage or destroy anything, always have enough supplies of chalk and check the cue tips from time to time. Otherwise, there shouldn't be too much maintenance problems with 7 footers. The 9 footers will require more attention though, but they were your choice to start with :p
 
I think you posted this in the wrong forum.

This is more of a "I want to open a BAR" post, and not filled with any amazing info. Keep the people from stealing and keep the tips in good shape? It's like saying changing oil is a good idea on a forum filled with racing fans.
 
I'm going to try and be nice with what I type in reference to this post.

I will defer to the poster above me and the idea that this is like posting a suggestion to change your oil on a forum for cars.

I have watched some of your threads and I would suggest you take some time to sit back and read a lot more before making new threads.
 
The idea is good but needs 2 business partners with lots of cash to work imo and here's why.

The idea is basically a feeder venue. 2 tables which are free, local word gets about and you have a queue at you door - GREAT!
However, people will get bored of waiting and the idea of just drinking and not playing pool as this is the main reason they came, right?

SO... If they had a great pool room down the road - the idea of playing pool for 2-3 hrs suddenly becomes a good idea.

The small bar venue will plant the seed and get people holding cues again, possibly.

But 2 venues is a massive financial undertake, which is why you would need either 2 businesses working together or just a very rich business person with lots of cash to flash!

You should present this to your local pool room and your local small bar...
 
The most important thing is that you should make pool completely free. No table time, no coin ops. After all, you will make 97% of your money selling booze and/or food. The pool equipment was cheap to begin with, so no need to charge it. When the word spreads, the whole city will soon come running to your place to play free pool. You can also buy darts and table football if you have enough cash, and it would be good to make them free as well. That will surely attract lots of people who will order drinks while waiting in line or playing pool (and other games). If your location isn't too far away, I think this would almost certaily ensure high traffic. For all the money you sacrificed by not charging pool, you'll make 20 times as much selling booze.

And don't stop there. Organize weekly tournaments with no fees for everyone who wants to test their skills and have fun. Let first 3 places get some free booze (just to motivate the players :D ).

This business model didn't work for Avi on "Bar Rescue"!

Maybe your concept poolhall could post copies of your "Manifesto" above the urinals for all to read and enjoy?
 
There are a handful of bars and restaurants in New York City that have free pool. Off the top of my head, I can think of two restaurants and one bar that feature a 9-foot table and a plethora of bars that disengage the coin-op on certain nights.

I'll say this, no pool players frequent these places at an astonishing rate. Serious pool players are fickle and self-absorbed. They like great equipment and they want to be the biggest fish in a respectable pond. These free tables offer neither. The equipment is often furniture-status and the lack of competition makes it an exercise in hee-haw.

I'm sorry but if you wanna play pool, you gotta go to a poolroom.
 
Change the concept a bit. Free booze pay for pool. Cause why the hell not sounds good to me. I think you should write these great ideas down and read them in 5 years if they Still sound great please return and post all about them.
 
I'm sorry but if you wanna play pool, you gotta go to a poolroom.

I agree ... and if you want to sit and have some drinks you want to go to a nice bar not sit and watch some bangers on cheap equipment making noise and playing horribly.

The other part that I found curious is the hopeful expansion of the business after it proves to be successful. Add a few barboxes and then add a few good nine footers ... really??? So to start the original cheap tables will be sitting in an open cavern which will accommodate all the future tables that will come with success???

Not gonna happen! :sorry:
 
Add a laundry facility & you'll really have something!

Once you become rich off that, leverage that wealth as seed $$$ to form a network that ties computers from all around the globe together. This interconnection of computers will revolutionize the way we communicate. SSSHHH! Don't tell anyone about this. We'll call it the "inter-net".
 
Dag you guys are triple harsh. If someone else had posted this same idea, say justtadub or something, nobody would say it's totally irrelevant or stupid or wrong forum etc.

I've been in a bar with free tables, and a pool hall that uses free pool to get people in the door. Sadly the free table time isn't as much of a draw as you think. Most people don't mind or care paying for the table. "It's only a dollar" they think. And if you and the other guy alternate paying, it's only 50 cents. After playing for 2 hours they might spend as much as they'd pay for one shot of liquor.

Since the money is small and people don't mind paying it, the bar might as well charge and collect that 3% rather than just discard it and hope to make it up with extra drink purchases. Remember they were gonna purchase those drinks no matter what... it's a bar.
So they won't be making 20x the lost revenue. If they're lucky, they just make a little extra.

But then again maybe people playing pool consume their alcohol at a slower rate than people standing around talking, since they have something else to occupy their attention/hands.

Jude's right, the serious players will want to go somewhere with less crowding/9 footers/better cloth and so on. The casual players will get tired of waiting in line forever for the free table, you might stand there for an hour waiting to play. It'd be nice if they stand there and buy drinks, but they may just leave and go somewhere where they can play right now, no waiting.
 
I dont understand why everyone beating up on the OP? telling him to take a vacation from the forum? Why?
 
Dag you guys are triple harsh. If someone else had posted this same idea, say justtadub or something, nobody would say it's totally irrelevant or stupid or wrong forum etc.

If this was a post on a forum for basic business ideas, no issues. On a forum where people come to discuss if one tip has 3.5% less deflection than another tip or how the taper affect squirt, you do not post such things as "keep chalk around".

There will be no flocking to a room with a few beat up 7 footer tables for the free pool either. Players drive 30+ minutes out of their way to play on good equipment and pay for it with no issues. There is a bar literally 2 blocks from my house that has free pool on two days. In 4 years of living there, I was there.. 0 times for the free pool. In that time I choose to drive a 1.5 hour round trip to either RI or Ayer to play. Not saying that EVERYONE will pick to do that, but I'm sure most would.
 
I dont understand why everyone beating up on the OP? telling him to take a vacation from the forum? Why?

Read some of his other posts, and also search for PoolKiller, if that account is even searchable. That was not for this post specifically, just a general lack of sense.
 
I think you posted this in the wrong forum.

This is more of a "I want to open a BAR" post, and not filled with any amazing info. Keep the people from stealing and keep the tips in good shape? It's like saying changing oil is a good idea on a forum filled with racing fans.

Others posted about their business ideas right here, and I never heard anybody say it's the wrong forum. If that's the case, I'm sorry and let the mods move it to wherever they see it fit. And what was I supposed to say about table maintenance? Describe how you should clean every square inch? We're talking about bar pool, not pool halls.

The idea is good but needs 2 business partners with lots of cash to work imo and here's why.

The idea is basically a feeder venue. 2 tables which are free, local word gets about and you have a queue at you door - GREAT!
However, people will get bored of waiting and the idea of just drinking and not playing pool as this is the main reason they came, right?

SO... If they had a great pool room down the road - the idea of playing pool for 2-3 hrs suddenly becomes a good idea.

The small bar venue will plant the seed and get people holding cues again, possibly.

But 2 venues is a massive financial undertake, which is why you would need either 2 businesses working together or just a very rich business person with lots of cash to flash!

You should present this to your local pool room and your local small bar...

I didn't say 2 venues. It would be a small bar which would offer some fast food as well, and the games would be there too (pool, darts...). There wouldn't be a pool room. I'm not really sure how much it would cost but I don't think the expenses would be any higher than opening an average bar.

There are a handful of bars and restaurants in New York City that have free pool. Off the top of my head, I can think of two restaurants and one bar that feature a 9-foot table and a plethora of bars that disengage the coin-op on certain nights.

I'll say this, no pool players frequent these places at an astonishing rate. Serious pool players are fickle and self-absorbed. They like great equipment and they want to be the biggest fish in a respectable pond. These free tables offer neither. The equipment is often furniture-status and the lack of competition makes it an exercise in hee-haw.

I'm sorry but if you wanna play pool, you gotta go to a poolroom.

I'm not saying others didn't do it already, but in most places free pool is very rare and therefore I think this would still be a smart idea. I also stated that the tables would primarily be there for bangers, not serious players, and they certainly wouldn't complain about conditions "not being the best".

Change the concept a bit. Free booze pay for pool. Cause why the hell not sounds good to me. I think you should write these great ideas down and read them in 5 years if they Still sound great please return and post all about them.

Sorry but I don't see what you're getting at.

I agree ... and if you want to sit and have some drinks you want to go to a nice bar not sit and watch some bangers on cheap equipment making noise and playing horribly.

The other part that I found curious is the hopeful expansion of the business after it proves to be successful. Add a few barboxes and then add a few good nine footers ... really??? So to start the original cheap tables will be sitting in an open cavern which will accommodate all the future tables that will come with success???

Not gonna happen! :sorry:

It would be a nice bar. People would mostly come there to hang out and have a drink. Tables and other games would only attract the crowd, mostly the younger ones. It wouldn't be a pool hall or anything similar, just a normal bar. Are you actually saying people would avoid that place because of pool tables? :confused:

Haha you wouldn't place all tables there, if you had enough room then maybe one or two additional bar boxes. All other tables are only hypothetical, and would require some extra space. Finding a place for them would all be up to the owner.
 
i dont think you guys are being fair to push&pool. i think its a great idea and you guys are being too snooty.
 
Jude's right, the serious players will want to go somewhere with less crowding/9 footers/better cloth and so on. The casual players will get tired of waiting in line forever for the free table, you might stand there for an hour waiting to play. It'd be nice if they stand there and buy drinks, but they may just leave and go somewhere where they can play right now, no waiting.

The serious players would unfortunately have to adapt or find another place. When talking about bar business their number is next to irrelevant. And in case of a long line of casual players waiting to play, the owner should put a time limit on the table time so everyone would get to play a few matches.
 
Will you have darts at this establishment also?
:rolleyes:


The serious players would unfortunately have to adapt or find another place. When talking about bar business their number is next to irrelevant. And in case of a long line of casual players waiting to play, the owner should put a time limit on the table time so everyone would get to play a few matches.
 
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