French Roots
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Oh the benefit of a convenient memory for some.
A real CTE shot for you to try.
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Sounds like a fair offer for the person who thinks that they are right and thinks that they can prove it. Just kidding but damn if you can't understand that sometimes the comments made by both sides are very acerbic and that the main characters have been at it for 20 years and that the occasional such comment is going to be made when it should be understood that the person is expressing frustration more than a sincere desire to physically harm.
That offer, if presented as you say it was, is basically a way of saying I will bet my own physical well-being on being able to prove what I say. Not much different than when I say I will bet high on something. When I say it I am only saying that I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I don't expect people to take the bet because most are not willing to undertake the effort to set up the conditions needed to satisfy the terms. You previously talked about "thought experiments" and when I say I will bet on xyz then I am basically laying out a thought experiment and giving what I think the results are likely to be.
To be 10000000000000% clear the certain person you are talking is not me.
French Roots
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Per Barton,
Scientifically speaking, since Mr. Shuffett nor any other CTE proponent has never provided any scientific evidence regarding the claims that Stan has made regarding his CTE, then that "we" can dismiss them.
I am sure that Mr. Barton would agree that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Scientifically speaking, since Mr. Shuffett nor any other CTE proponent has never provided any scientific evidence regarding the claims that Stan has made regarding his CTE, then that "we" can dismiss them.
I am sure that Mr. Barton would agree that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
What memory? How do you suppose, using your self-described scientific mind, that a person should have a memory of something that they have neither seen or heard?
And also, what was the context? How was this alleged "slap" presented? Sounds to me like the accused was willing to undergo the same if they were proven wrong. So it was not a THREAT but was then a bet. Kind of like the people who bet with the stakes of being tased or having their hair cut off and the like.
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It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Look up Charles Bonnet syndrome. It often makes older folks think they are losing their mind, yet it's fairly well documented in folks with failing vision. There's a book called breaking open the head that talks about hallucinations, very interesting read. It covers medical conditions and drug induced hallucinations.Intesting fact... With some people this part of the mind does not function properly, and they see things that aren't really there, because their mind sometimes fills those blindspots with random images from memory instead of trying to match what the other eye is seeing from its perspective. People with this condition have reported seeing tiny elephants, policemen, Jesus, angels, etc... on occassion.
French Roots
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Some seem to be incapable of realizing that there can be more than one instance of a suggestion of physical violence.
That particular comment was something like, "I want to slap you."
The BS proposition bet came later.
That particular comment was something like, "I want to slap you."
The BS proposition bet came later.
Nor have they alleged to. They have provided demonstrations and anecdotes. Nowhere has any person connected to CTE said that they are providing the scientific proof of CTE's validity.
The only proof needed for CTE users is on the table. Pool is about results and the CTE aiming process provides the results that are satisfactory for some, maybe most of the users, enough to keep the discussion going. Not sure what other PROOF you are looking for. Where is the proof that ghostball "works"? Certainly it's not through the use of ghostball for you because people miss shots using it and we already know that you count missed shots against a method while seemingly NOT counting made shots for a method.
There are many things in life which work where the users are clueless about exactly HOW it works. They just know that if they follow the directions they get the results they desire. What more does a person in that situation need? Is it your contention that they need to KNOW the physics and math and chemistry underpinning the process before they can use the process? I hope not because it would mean that most people would not be allowed to drive and do a hundred other mundane tasks.
You are perfectly free to dismiss ANYTHING you want to. As I told you your opinion means NOTHING. You don't make the rules and you can't physically stop anyone who wants to try CTE or any other aiming system. What you CAN do, what you are attempting to do, is to POISON the minds of readers against aiming systems and seemingly SPECIFICALLY against CTE.
IF any proponent of any aiming system HAD claimed to have scientific "proof" that the aiming system is fully aligned with present understanding of scientific principles and laws then they had better show that proof and have it vetted accordingly or you could and should certainly dismiss those claims. But as that has not happened per my knowledge, you are introducing a straw-man argument that puts false-words in the mouths of others for the purpose of arguing against those words. Doesn't seem very "civil" ,logical or scientific to me.
You said nobody ever threatened physical violence to your knowledge. I relate on instance where it did occur, including the context that I could slap him, too, to be fair. The "or you could slap me" was simply a way to cover up what he really wanted to do. Sometimes it is better to simply admit you were wrong rather than trying to wordsmith and rationalize it. What if one of Stan's supporters in my area thought that was a great idea and sucker punched me at a pool hall? How would you pretzel your way through that?
I want to slap you is not a threat it is an indication of desire. I WILL slap you is a threat. Again though without the ACTUAL example of the exchange and the CONTEXT we are merely spinning wheels here. And for real if someone is "threatened" with being slapped through a forum interaction and their reaction isn't to laugh at the absurdity of the "threat" then maybe being on online forums isn't a good space for them to be in. The world at large MIGHT be far too harsh for them to exist peacefully in if they are going to take something like that as a threat. And forgive me if I say I don't believe you. So far I have seen nothing that indicates you are an honest person so without evidence and links to peruse the subjects you refer to I am going to go with disbelief and willful misdirection with a large dose of histrionics on top as to how I judge your words.
French Roots
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Exactly.
I'll bet JB $10,000 SS said he wanted to come over and slap me. You game?
French Roots
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How far should the distractions of CTE proponents be allowed to take discussions off course?
The following is an except from a post of mine from Monday Night.
"If the distance between the balls is the same, then how can there be 2(or more) different sets of lines from & to the specifically defined points on the balls. If the distance between the balls is the same, then how can there be a different CTE line or a different edge to A, B, or C line? To say that there is or can be such certainly seems to be irrational & go against science. "
The following is an except from a post of mine from Monday Night.
"If the distance between the balls is the same, then how can there be 2(or more) different sets of lines from & to the specifically defined points on the balls. If the distance between the balls is the same, then how can there be a different CTE line or a different edge to A, B, or C line? To say that there is or can be such certainly seems to be irrational & go against science. "
WHAT part of TO MY KNOWLEDGE is unclear to you? You said it and I addressed what I thought of your description WITHOUT seeing the actual content. HOW THE F COULD I BE WRONG WHEN I CLEARLY SAID TO MY EFFING KNOWLEDGE.
And for real a person is a stone cold freaking weakling of epic proportions IF they want to take someone expressing a desire to slap someone as a dire physical threat. Dial it down there Dan. Let the aiming system guys do the exaggerating...... <----- JOKE - have to LABEL EVERYTHING I guess.
Now I "want" to slap you because you are acting like a MAJOR EFFING JERK. First, the odds of ANY HUMAN actually hitting you in any way over aiming system arguments is less than zero. Secondly the odds of any aiming system user who didn't say they want to slap you taking upon themselves to do based on another user's LIKELY tongue-in-cheek comment, or even if the comment was meant seriously, is even lower. Thirdly, stop being a whiner, you already know that a CTE user couldn't hit you accurately anyway.
Lastly, IF anyone were to hit you over these aiming discussions then I would soundly condemn that action. That you imply that I wouldn't is another testament to your very low character in my opinion.
DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT WANT TO TOUCH YOU IN ANY WAY FOR ANY REASON. THE PRECEDING COMMENTS ARE RHETORICAL FOR THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION.
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Why would I bet that? You could prove it for free or be a whiny toddler and act like you were threatened and in fear. I will bet $100,000 that more than one person here thinks you are a disingenuous tool.I'll bet JB $10,000 SS said he wanted to come over and slap me. You game?
I believe I addressed this very paragraph. You then launched into a big moan-fest about character and bad actors and incivility and yada yada yada......
No, not exactly BECAUSE NEITHER DAN NOR YOU UNDERSTAND THE WRITTEN WORD.
There is an EXACT reason that I say "to my knowledge". I means that I have not seen any claimed threats. And I want to do xyz is not a threat no matter how hysterically you both want to try and frame it as such. It is an indication of FRUSTRATION when dealing with someone who is infuriating. I bet you would dearly love to slap me if you thought you could get away with it.
However WHEN the existence of said comment was brought to my attention I gave my opinion of it. You however have claimed that threats of violence have been issued for YEARS by the pro-aiming system side to the con-aiming system side and I do not think that this is true and would like to see evidence of such. Even if I were to concede that this one was a "threat" then you still have not shown more than one and certainly over a span of years.
You came in on a science-bus so don't get twisted when you are asked for evidence to back up your claims.
No it wouldn't. But it would be something i'd be working on.
Do you think the pro would care if it's a completely objective aiming system if he was making 100% of his shots?
Actually I do CARE about the why. To the point that I have undertaken my own research both on the table and off to try and understand the mechanisms. I have made many videos discussing the possible why and folks like you have ignored them consistently in favor of pursuing your discedit-agenda.
Yep, Hal said just shoot. After the first couple times where I tried to fit Hal's instructions into my Bob Byrne Standard Book of Pool framework and dogged the ball I emptied my mind and just did what he said and split the pocket. And my immediate statement was HOW does that even work? Ask Bob Johnson, Denver Colorado if you doubt me.
When I went home that night I was still in shock that something so counter to orthodox teaching could even work. This wasn't a case of Hal magically hypnotizing me. I showed the method he taught me to my friend's at a local tournament and APA 4s started making shots well above their skill level. So again, FOR ME, the proof is on the table.
The WAY you go about this is defamatory and insulting and degrading as well as incompetent. That's why I feel that you are attacking instead of actually investigating.
You have called Stan a fraud so from there it's really hard to see your interest in this as anything but attacks.
I've met a few of them. they were all good guys who just want to play pool.
And everyone here has an offer to play if they are ever in Tampa
I'd say 80 posts in 2 days pushing your opinion down everyone's throat qualifies as a bully