A real CTE shot for you to try.

[duckie]

Might as well get the point.

Whenever a CTE shot is discussed it is alway this......

CB to OB to pocket.

In the pool playing world, there are way more shots than this type.

Like freezing the CB to the rack as done in straight pool.

Or a safety battle where its all about ball placement, no pocket.

Or like carom the CB off of one of your ball into another one of balls to the pocket. CB to carom ball to OB to pocket. Like can be done in 8 ball.

Or CB to carom ball to combo that pockets the OB.


If CTE can be used on any of the above shots listed......than please demonstrate how, just dont state it can

 

[cookie man]

Might as well get the point.

Whenever a CTE shot is discussed it is alway this......

CB to OB to pocket.

In the pool playing world, there are way more shots than this type.

Like freezing the CB to the rack as done in straight pool.

Or a safety battle where its all about ball placement, no pocket.

Or like carom the CB off of one of your ball into another one of balls to the pocket. CB to carom ball to OB to pocket. Like can be done in 8 ball.

Or CB to carom ball to combo that pockets the OB.


If CTE can be used on any of the above shots listed......than please demonstrate how, just dont state it can

If you could actually perform these shots yourself then please post the video demonstration.

 

[mohrt]

I tried the second shot, Mohrt, but with no success - my "perception" of the "new cueball center" was not consistent and the shots went all over the place. I guess that means that my success with the first shot was because of my knowledge that it's a half ball shot - and I think that's an example of "steering the perception".

I suppose that with practice I could learn to be consistent with it like you... but I've got my own method to practice. Thanks for the help.

pj
chgo

Fair enough, thanks for trying. I’ll preface this with saying, CTE isn’t something figured out once or twice at the table. Especially with full table length shots, which is what you are attempting here. I can follow the instructions I gave and consistently pocket the balls. You call it feel, I call it very repeatable consistent process that does not require any guessing at what to align to and aim at.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Fair enough, thanks for trying. I’ll preface this with saying, CTE isn’t something figured out once or twice at the table. Especially with full table length shots, which is what you are attempting here. I can follow the instructions I gave and consistently pocket the balls. You call it feel, I call it very repeatable consistent process that does not require any guessing at what to align to and aim at.

That's how my method seems to me too - but I know it's not strictly true. I don't suppose there's any real need to know that...

pj
chgo

 

[mohrt]

That's how my method seems to me too - but I know it's not strictly true. I don't suppose there's any real need to know that...

pj
chgo

Bank shots further underline the underpinnings of CTE. If I'm shooting say, a 4-rail bank, the pocket is not influencing anything, I'm not fidgeting or changing what I see for any reason. I'm simply getting on the AL/SL and then finding the NISL. Of course I have to execute proper speed/spin/stroke, but CTE gives me consistent, repeatable aim.

 

[Low500]

Might as well get the point.
Whenever a CTE shot is discussed it is alway this......
CB to OB to pocket.
In the pool playing world, there are way more shots than this type.
Like freezing the CB to the rack as done in straight pool.
Or a safety battle where its all about ball placement, no pocket.
Or like carom the CB off of one of your ball into another one of balls to the pocket. CB to carom ball to OB to pocket. Like can be done in 8 ball.
Or CB to carom ball to combo that pockets the OB.
If CTE can be used on any of the above shots listed......than please demonstrate how, just dont state it can

In the CTE encyclopedia of how to play pool at an advanced level, (Center Pocket Music by Stan Shuffett), there is an entire chapter with demonstrative material dealing with the use of CTE for Caroms, Combinations, Safeties, and Kicks.
However, until you open your mind, you will never be able to experience it.
justcueit.com has the solutions for you.

 

[straightline]

There is only one place that looks correct, where SL and AL are perfectly aligned. It is repeatable. I will totally agree that the CB/OB orientation on the table “influences” the perception. It’s how our eyes work. The icing here is you don’t have to “do” any thing different shot for shot. Your eyes tell you where to go. The alignments and instructions are very descriptive, no need for fidgeting around.

This might work if you have symmetrical vision. There will still have to be physical adjustments to the shooter - supposedly autonomous and per the specific shot or it don't happen.

 

[straightline]

Bank shots further underline the underpinnings of CTE. If I'm shooting say, a 4-rail bank, the pocket is not influencing anything, I'm not fidgeting or changing what I see for any reason. I'm simply getting on the AL/SL and then finding the NISL. Of course I have to execute proper speed/spin/stroke, but CTE gives me consistent, repeatable aim.

I'm sure, Stan is aware that every bank requires cinching? IOW, no matter what lines you arrive at, you must generate the specific cue dynamics/geometry. Come to think of it, this is true of any pool geometry.

 

[mohrt]

I'm sure, Stan is aware that every bank requires cinching? IOW, no matter what lines you arrive at, you must generate the specific cue dynamics/geometry. Come to think of it, this is true of any pool geometry.

Not every bank requires cinching, I can make a lot of typical banks with little to no adjustment (just stun). But of course Stan is aware of how to bank, and he is doing a whole youtube series on CTE and banks. He already did video #1. I guess I'll just repeat myself: CTE gives you the aim line. It is up to you to provide proper speed/spin/stroke for the given shot.

here is another good demonstration on 10-foot table.

 

[mohrt]

I'll recap, some of you like to derail when I make simple statements

1. CTE gives you the aim line. It is up to you to provide proper speed/spin/stroke for a given shot.
2. The pocket is involved only to choose a given perception (A/B/C) and pivot (R/L) that is proper to send the OB there.
3. Every CB/OB orientation on the table has a unique perception. That is, given a specific CB/OB placement on the table and a given perception, I'm going to be able to align my eyes to the SL/AL the same way every time. There is no guesswork about how this looks. Repeatable and consistent.

Since Pat's attempt at perception and new CB center was "all over the place", that is indicative of his inexperience with the system. He should be able to align himself to SL/AL, move to full stance and put his cue on the NISL consistently. Even if he missed the pocket and missed consistently in the same general location, that would be something to work from and figure out what needs correcting. Ideally he should start with simpler shots to get his sighting mechanics in order first. Once your proficiency with CTE aiming is consistent, it is repeatable for all shots.

 

[straightline]

Not every bank requires cinching, I can make a lot of typical banks with little to no adjustment (just stun). But of course Stan is aware of how to bank, and he is doing a whole youtube series on CTE and banks. He already did video #1. I guess I'll just repeat myself: CTE gives you the aim line. It is up to you to provide proper speed/spin/stroke for the given shot.

If "just stun" is a requirement of a shot, that's cinching it.

 

[mohrt]

If "just stun" is a requirement of a shot, that's cinching it.

I can make quite a few banks with medium speed and slow roll. So I guess that is cinching too. These are common knowledge things when it comes to banking. Aiming is the most critical component, which CTE gives you. The rest is on you. I think that is understood. Nobody said any aiming system was going to just magically pocket all balls based on an aim line alone. watch those videos. ^^^

 

[straightline]

I can make quite a few banks with medium speed and slow roll. So I guess that is cinching too. These are common knowledge things when it comes to banking. Aiming is the most critical component, which CTE gives you. The rest is on you. I think that is understood. Nobody said any aiming system was going to just magically pocket all balls based on an aim line alone.

Of course it is. That 4 railer you cited earlier goes in a variety of parallel-ish ways but each different line must be shot as a unique entity. One of the main mysteries of CTE is it attempts to address a shot with only the minimum regard for what that shot might be. All the other systems however effective, address shots as specific entities with specific dynamic requirements. I use contact geometry to determine the exact shot dimensions and shoot with this specific outcome in mind. CTE seems to not care what the shot is and claims to be more effective than aiming. This is Candid Camera right?

 

[mohrt]

Of course it is. That 4 railer you cited earlier goes in a variety of parallel-ish ways but each different line must be shot as a unique entity. One of the main mysteries of CTE is it attempts to address a shot with only the minimum regard for what that shot might be. All the other systems however effective, address shots as specific entities with specific dynamic requirements. I use contact geometry to determine the exact shot dimensions and shoot with this specific outcome in mind. CTE seems to not care what the shot is and claims to be more effective than aiming. This is Candid Camera right?

What has it claimed to be? It's an aiming system. I guess you can make an argument that there are many ways to make a bank shot, but IMHO I'll have a much higher percentage chance to pocket the ball starting on the geometric aim line. I think this is Candid Camera, you guys keep repeating the same arguments after they've been answered over and over.

 

[straightline]

What has it claimed to be? It's an aiming system. I guess you can make an argument that there are many ways to make a bank shot, but IMHO I'll have a much higher percentage chance to pocket the ball starting on the geometric aim line. I think this is Candid Camera, you guys keep repeating the same arguments after they've been answered over and over.

See? It's an aiming system. It's not an aiming system... Fortunately I know enough pool to have a context for it. Anyway,

I guess you can make an argument that there are many ways to make a bank shot, but IMHO I'll have a much higher percentage chance to pocket the ball starting on the geometric aim line. I think this is Candid Camera, you guys keep repeating the same arguments after they've been answered over and over.

Like I said, all banks and technically all shots must be cinched. The distinguishing factors are the shot margins.

I think this is Candid Camera, you guys keep repeating the same arguments after they've been answered over and over.

I don't know about the others - I wasn't here. It's clear though that any repeated tacks occur because CTE has never been clarified. The stock answer seems to be: It works. That's our claim and you're sticking to it. And then flames. Not much of any kind of system in that regard...

 

[cookie man]

See? It's an aiming system. It's not an aiming system... Fortunately I know enough pool to have a context for it. Anyway,

Like I said, all banks and technically all shots must be cinched. The distinguishing factors are the shot margins.


I don't know about the others - I wasn't here. It's clear though that any repeated tacks occur because CTE has never been clarified. The stock answer seems to be: It works. That's our claim and you're sticking to it. And then flames. Not much of any kind of system in that regard...

It's 100% percent clarified. Just watch The Truth Series

 

[mohrt]

See? It's an aiming system. It's not an aiming system... Fortunately I know enough pool to have a context for it. Anyway,

Like I said, all banks and technically all shots must be cinched. The distinguishing factors are the shot margins.


I don't know about the others - I wasn't here. It's clear though that any repeated tacks occur because CTE has never been clarified. The stock answer seems to be: It works. That's our claim and you're sticking to it. And then flames. Not much of any kind of system in that regard...

Actually, I don't recall you posting your results for your the shot this thread is about?

 

[straightline]

Actually, I don't recall you posting your results for your the shot this thread is about?

It's 100% percent clarified. Just watch The Truth Series

@ Mohrt, The results are foregone because the testing method is flawed and incomplete. Your claim is a prelocated half ball shot will go from anywhere. What results do you imagine are possible?

@ cookie man,
First red flag in the Truth stuff:
The eyes, dominant and submissive, have independent lines to lock on. It gets redder with the micro adjustments required to accommodate the verbage. I believe CTE works but only as a filing system for truly accomplished poolers.

 

[mohrt]

@ Mohrt, The results are foregone because the testing method is flawed and incomplete. Your claim is a prelocated half ball shot will go from anywhere. What results do you imagine are possible?

@ cookie man,
First red flag in the Truth stuff:
The eyes, dominant and submissive, have independent lines to lock on. It gets redder with the micro adjustments required to accommodate the verbage. I believe CTE works but only as a filing system for truly accomplished poolers.

The point was to give CTE an honest try and report back. Use the shot Pat mentioned if the half ball hit is a deterrent for you.

 

[cookie man]

@ Mohrt, The results are foregone because the testing method is flawed and incomplete. Your claim is a prelocated half ball shot will go from anywhere. What results do you imagine are possible?

@ cookie man,
First red flag in the Truth stuff:
The eyes, dominant and submissive, have independent lines to lock on. It gets redder with the micro adjustments required to accommodate the verbage. I believe CTE works but only as a filing system for truly accomplished poolers.

You can believe what you want, but the fact is you wont even try the test shot that Mohrt put up so how could you possibly know. Which begs the question, if you wont even try the shot, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE ?