A real CTE shot for you to try.

But that’s not how it works. It’s more like, you know literally the steps you follow, but your eyes tell you exactly what you see and where to shoot. There is no “feel” component. I can’t believe you won’t even try it.
 
But that’s not how it works. It’s more like, you know literally the steps you follow, but your eyes tell you exactly what you see and where to shoot. There is no “feel” component.
That's the definition of "steering" the outcome (by feel).
I can’t believe you won’t even try it.
OK, just because you've been civil. But I know it will turn out the only way it can (and you'll be sure I'm the one doing the steering).

pj
chgo
 
There is no steering or feel. You read my instructions, was there any gaps? How can you "feel" your way into lining up on the AL and SL? You are the victim of your own literal thoughts. All you have to do now is just go to the table and prove to your self if the ball goes in or not. I think the real problem here is, if you did discover the system works as described, you'd have no excuse for your 20+ years of incorrect arguments. That's fine, let's see if someone else will give this post an honest try.
 
Just a couple of terminology issues:
The red line, which is center cueball to left edge of object ball (OB), is the "site line" or SL.
Just for clarity, this is the site sight line I believe.
That is the shot line, or what Stan calls the NISL (No Imaginary Shot Line).
And I believe this is the No Imaginary Imagination Shot Line.

Also I'm wondering if bridge length is no longer a consideration. I could have missed it, but I haven't seen it mentioned in recent writings.
 
There is no steering or feel. You read my instructions, was there any gaps? How can you "feel" your way into lining up on the AL and SL? You are the victim of your own literal thoughts. All you have to do now is just go to the table and prove to your self if the ball goes in or not. I think the real problem here is, if you did discover the system works as described, you'd have no excuse for your 20+ years of incorrect arguments. That's fine, let's see if someone else will give this post an honest try.
Mohrt, you're beating your head against a brick wall. I CAN believe he won't try what you're telling him. Hell, even if he got the pure results of pocketing the balls 100% of the time he'd state otherwise. Why? Because it would show that he was WRONG over the last 23 years and that will NEVER happen because...well...he's Pat Johnson. The greatest mind in pool there has ever been.
Certainly not a real player in any sense of the word, not even to put his game on display for league play or gambling let alone tournaments.
 
Just a couple of terminology issues:

Just for clarity, this is the site sight line I believe.

And I believe this is the No Imaginary Imagination Shot Line.

Also I'm wondering if bridge length is no longer a consideration. I could have missed it, but I haven't seen it mentioned in recent writings.

Bridge length is up to you on a shot. With manual pivots you just ensure you place the bridge hand such that the pivot happens on the NISL. We didn’t have this explanation before we had “stepping the cueball”.
 
You still have to feel the proper visual alignment and holographic orientation. Shooting pool is a good analogy...

There is only one place that looks correct, where SL and AL are perfectly aligned. It is repeatable. I will totally agree that the CB/OB orientation on the table “influences” the perception. It’s how our eyes work. The icing here is you don’t have to “do” any thing different shot for shot. Your eyes tell you where to go. The alignments and instructions are very descriptive, no need for fidgeting around.

Pat’s unwillingness to try the shot is like never learning to ride a bike because balancing math doesn’t make sense.
 
There is no steering or feel. You read my instructions, was there any gaps? How can you "feel" your way into lining up on the AL and SL?
You "forgot" the key move: "seeing the new centerball in your peripheral vision".

The more specific we get, the more convinced I am that the inability to understand the difference between "objective" and "by feel" is an essential part of using CTE.

Anyway, I'm here for my morning practice, so I'll give your "new centerball" another shot soon.

pj
chgo
 
I will totally agree that the CB/OB orientation on the table “influences” the perception.
What happened to "ignore the pocket"?
Your eyes tell you where to go.
And "table influence" tells your eyes where that is.
Pat’s unwillingness to try the shot is like never learning to ride a bike because balancing math doesn’t make sense.
lol

It's more like my unwillingness to jump off a building to test your theory that gravity is optional (except it's more a waste of time than life threatening).

pj
chgo
 
There is only one place that looks correct, where SL and AL are perfectly aligned. It is repeatable. I will totally agree that the CB/OB orientation on the table “influences” the perception. It’s how our eyes work. The icing here is you don’t have to “do” any thing different shot for shot. Your eyes tell you where to go. The alignments and instructions are very descriptive, no need for fidgeting around.

Pat’s unwillingness to try the shot is like never learning to ride a bike because balancing math doesn’t make sense.
He's just saying a half ball shot is a half ball shot which will always go exactly like a half ball shot. If it doesn't, you shot something else. Pocketing differently oriented shots with the identical half ball line up requires physical compensation WHICH, if the shooter does so sub or unconsciously, makes him reliant on forces he doesn't understand.
Way too nebulous for me.
 
What happened to "ignore the pocket"?

And "table influence" tells your eyes where that is.

lol

It's more like my unwillingness to jump off a building to test your theory that gravity is optional (except it's more a waste of time than life threatening).

pj
chgo

Is the pocket involved in the steps I gave you to pocket the ball? No. The only time the pocket is involved is when you are choosing a perception and pivot.

The jumping off a cliff is a good analogy, because you can clearly see that gravity works before you try anything. With CTE it’s not so easy without trying it first, but there is no death involved :). Anyways, I’m glad you are going to give it a try on your shot. Be sure to use the CTE perceptions and centers, and not a 1/2 ball hit which would indeed end in 1/2 diamond off.
 
He's just saying a half ball shot is a half ball shot which will always go exactly like a half ball shot. If it doesn't, you shot something else. Pocketing differently oriented shots with the identical half ball line up requires physical compensation WHICH, if the shooter does so sub or unconsciously, makes him reliant on forces he doesn't understand.
Way too nebulous for me.

You don’t have to DO anything different between the two shots. Your perception does all the work. Otherwise I would have thrown out the idea of CTE long ago.
 
You don’t have to DO anything different between the two shots. Your perception does all the work. Otherwise I would have thrown out the idea of CTE long ago.
See that's plain not possible. If you are talking about training your reality generating attributes to do pool for you, that's a pretty deep rabbit hole to get stuck in. Have you seen the movie Inception?
 
You don’t have to DO anything different between the two shots. Your perception does all the work. Otherwise I would have thrown out the idea of CTE long ago.
So your "perception" chooses the shot line, influenced by the CB/OB orientation on the table. Maybe we're getting somewhere - now you only need to understand that your perception is a subconscious choice made by you.

pj
chgo
 
I tried the second shot, Mohrt, but with no success - my "perception" of the "new cueball center" was not consistent and the shots went all over the place. I guess that means that my success with the first shot was because of my knowledge that it's a half ball shot - and I think that's an example of "steering the perception".

I suppose that with practice I could learn to be consistent with it like you... but I've got my own method to practice. Thanks for the help.

pj
chgo
 
You don’t have to DO anything different between the two shots. Your perception does all the work. Otherwise I would have thrown out the idea of CTE long ago.
JB recently asked me why I completely discount the idea that CTE could possibly work as stated. I actually never really discard possibilities but I do draw conclusions based on the evidence. So I'll ask you the same question. Why do you rule out the possibility that it is your subconscious store of knowledge that alters your perception of the NISL so that while you think you are setting up the same each time you line up a 30 degree perception you really are not? The fact is you don't really know why it works so how can you rule this out as a possibility?
 
JB recently asked me why I completely discount the idea that CTE could possibly work as stated. I actually never really discard possibilities but I do draw conclusions based on the evidence. So I'll ask you the same question. Why do you rule out the possibility that it is your subconscious store of knowledge that alters your perception of the NISL so that while you think you are setting up the same each time you line up a 30 degree perception you really are not? The fact is you don't really know why it works so how can you rule this out as a possibility?
 
So, if math isn't a factor according to them that dont explain but only stansplain.. especially the one with the most Kentucky windage and denys a ghost ball/visual, the NISL is exactly 27/32. So stansplain that... you just can't make this stuff up. I ain't no noser, I ain't no nisl ..this aint no fill in the blank
 
So, if math isn't a factor according to them that dont explain but only stansplain.. especially the one with the most Kentucky windage and denys a ghost ball/visual, the NISL is exactly 27/32. So stansplain that... you just can't make this stuff up. I ain't no noser, I ain't no nisl ..this aint no fill in the blank
I can't tell if you're for or against or both or for what BUT if you can spot and cinch a 27/32 that's gotta be good for something.
 
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