A real CTE shot for you to try.

[French Roots]

I understand all the issue's thank you very much.

It's you that have no clue.

By the way, are you going to answer questions asked of you or be like the rest that don't answer anything

What is the main issue of contention regarding Mr. Shuffett's CTE?

I know exactly what that is.

I will not answer any BS questions.

I am not inclined to engage with you at all for the reasons stated earlier. Your comments are insignificant to the discussion as they have been for as long as I have seen them.

 

[French Roots]

As much as you play and as much as you agonize over a game, if you are not getting better you may want to consider golf. Face it, "cte" isn't making you better, you are making you better.

Getting better at pool is not proof that "cte" works.

Exactly.

 

[cookie man]

What is the main issue of contention regarding Mr. Shuffett's CTE?

I know exactly what that is.

I guess i don't. Why don't you enlighten me with exactly what that is.

 

[French Roots]

I understand all the issue's thank you very much.

It's you that have no clue.

By the way, are you going to answer questions asked of you or be like the rest that don't answer anything

You said this earlier today.

 

[French Roots]

I guess i don't. Why don't you enlighten me with exactly what that is.

Now you are saying this.

It seems that you have proved things I said earlier.

 

[French Roots]

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Move that visual picture 1/2 diamond down table and the lines do not change and neither does the bisecting line between them.
Move that visual picture 1/2 diamond up table and the lines do not change and neither does the bisecting line between them.

Looking from a lower or higher angle from the bisecting line does not change the visual perception of the horizontal alignment of those lines nor the visual perception of the horizontal alignment of the balls.

Do Mr. Shuffett's prescribed procedure "objectively" & the outcome angle for all 3 of those shots is the same. If the one pictured pockets, then the other 2 do not... given that the prescribed procedure is done "objectively" with no subjective interpretation nor input nor any subjective change in the size of the 1/2 tip offset pivot to center nor the supposedly = visual sweep to center cue ball.

The same = the same. Only different = different.

What I have said here is consistent with science.

Now, blow that pic up until only the balls are seen and no pocket nor rail is visible in the picture. That is only what is supposed to be required once the visual & pivot direction has been subjectively chosen based on experience. Do the procedure & the OB exists on the same angle each time for each shot.

Once that blow up is done & a pic of such is shown to someone, they would not know which of the 3 shots they are looking at a picture of. Tel the the visual & pivot direction & if done objectively they would produce the same outcome angle.

 

[mohrt]

Move that visual picture 1/2 diamond down table and the lines do not change and neither does the bisecting line between them.
Move that visual picture 1/2 diamond up table and the lines do not change and neither does the bisecting line between them.

Looking from a lower or higher angle from the bisecting line does not change the visual perception of the horizontal alignment of those lines nor the visual perception of the horizontal alignment of the balls.

Do Mr. Shuffett's prescribed procedure "objectively" & the outcome angle for all 3 of those shots is the same. If the one pictured pockets, then the other 2 do not... given that the prescribed procedure is done "objectively" with no subjective interpretation nor input nor any subjective change in the size of the 1/2 tip offset pivot to center nor the supposedly = visual sweep to center cue ball.

The same = the same. Only different = different.

What I have said here is consistent with science.

Now, blow that pic up until only the balls are seen and no pocket nor rail is visible in the picture. That is only what is supposed to be required once the visual & pivot direction has been subjectively chosen based on experience. Do the procedure & the OB exists on the same angle each time for each shot.

Once that blow up is done & a pic of such is shown to someone, they would not know which of the 3 shots they are looking at a picture of.

Pictures are a 2D perspective. You’ll never get past that it seems.

 

[BC21]

.......I’ll say one thing, health is far more important than arguing over how to put balls in holes.

You are 100% correct with that!

Sometimes I wonder how such a trivial thing as pocketing pools balls can actually bring about so much hate and hasty judgement of others. It's a bit funny sometimes, but a bit sad also.

 

[cookie man]

You are 100% correct with that!

Sometimes I wonder how such a trivial thing as pocketing pools balls can actually bring about so much hate and hasty judgement of others. It's a bit funny sometimes, but a bit sad also.

It's not sad, it's very very sad lol.

 

[cookie man]

Now you are saying this.

It seems that you have proved things I said earlier.

I did say one thing earlier. Then you implied i didn't actually know but you knew exactly. So i'd figured i'd ask and give you the opportunity to tell me. Honestly i don't blame you for not answering my question. It's pretty standard around here to not answer questions.

 

[French Roots]

Pictures are a 2D perspective. You’ll never get past that it seems.

What is this never stuff?

That picture represents a 3 Dimensional Situation. The pictures were only used as a representation of for ease of communication. Science applies in 3D as much as it does in 2D. Everything I said applies in a live 3D situation & is also supported by science. The picture is not viewed directly from above nor directly from the side. Hence it yields a 3D view.

Please reread my post as I added to it after I hit the post button?

BC21 has tried to explain how our eyes, brain, & mind's eye work. Our mind's eye does not see 2 pictures from 2 'camera' sources'. It takes the 2 pictures & combines them into one. That is only done for the sake of perceiving depth & not for perceiving things in the horizontal direction.

Every individual's eyesight is different. The mixture of both eyes is different. One individual's 'vision center' might be directly in the middle between the eyes. Another individual's vision center might be as much as 1/2 inch to the right or left, etc., etc., etc.

Did I not relay to you that the picture on our retina is actually up side down & our brain reverses it so that our mind's eye sees it right side up?

It is the combined picture of the 2 eyes that we see with our mind's eye when both eyes are open & functional. We 'see' one picture and not two.

 

[French Roots]

I did say one thing earlier. Then you implied i didn't actually know but you knew exactly. So i'd figured i'd ask and give you the opportunity to tell me. Honestly i don't blame you for not answering my question. It's pretty standard around here to not answer questions.

You have the same ongoing opportunity to show that you know exactly what the issue is. I have never seen you state it to show that you know what it is. Your comment regarding the pocket along with other comments to others seems to indicate that you do not know what it is. However, like Dennis Miller so often says, I could be wrong about that & you just disingenuously try to play games.

 

[French Roots]

You are 100% correct with that!

Sometimes I wonder how such a trivial thing as pocketing pools balls can actually bring about so much hate and hasty judgement of others. It's a bit funny sometimes, but a bit sad also.

It seems that vitriol(hate?) is rather prevalent with a few on the CTE side. I have not seen any from the other side. Have you?

 

[mohrt]

What is this never stuff?

That picture represents a 3 Dimensional Situation. The pictures were only used as a representation of for ease of communication. Science applies in 3D as much as it does in 2D. Everything I said applies in a live 3D situation & is also supported by science. The picture is not viewed directly from above nor directly from the side. Hence it yields a 3D view.

Please reread my post as I added to it after I hit the post button?

BC21 has tried to explain how our eyes, brain, & mind's eye work. Our mind's eye does not see 2 pictures from 2 'camera' sources'. It takes the 2 pictures & combines them into one. That is only done for the sake of perceiving depth & not for perceiving things in the horizontal direction.

Every individual's eyesight is different. The mixture of both eyes is different. One individual's 'vision center' might be directly in the middle between the eyes. Another individual's vision center might be as much as 1/2 inch to the right or left, etc., etc., etc.

Did I not relay to you that the picture on our retina is actually up side down & our brain reverses it so that our mind's eye sees it right side up?

It is the combined picture of the 2 eyes that we see with our mind's eye when both eyes are open & functional. We 'see' one picture and not two.

As I just explained a few posts back, when you focus on the OB you see two separate cue balls in the foreground. This can be easily tested by closing one eye at a time and taking notice. So no, it's not that cut and dry. Your eyes work together to focus on a specific place at any one time. Other things in our perspective view are seen individually by each eye. Also regarding ones 'vision center', that is correct everybody has a unique vision center, however that is more important with traditional target shooting aiming and pro one, but not as much with disguised pivoting. It is disguised pivoting method that this thread is focused on.

TBH, this thread has gone completely off the rails. Have you tried the shot at the top of this post? If so, what was the outcome?

 

[French Roots]

As I just explained a few posts back, when you focus on the OB you see two separate cue balls in the foreground. This can be easily tested by closing one eye at a time and taking notice. So no, it's not that cut and dry. Your eyes work together to focus on a specific place at any one time. Other things in our perspective view are seen individually by each eye. Also regarding ones 'vision center', that is correct everybody has a unique vision center, however that is more important with traditional target shooting aiming and pro one, but not as much with disguised pivoting. It is disguised pivoting method that this thread is focused on.

TBH, this thread has gone completely off the rails. Have you tried the shot at the top of this post? If so, what was the outcome?

Sorry, no. When I focus on the OB, I do not see 2 CBs in the foreground. Looking out of one eye at a time shifts the perspective away from ones vision center to each open eye, but when both eyes are open the perspective is from the 'vision center'. There are no separate things that are seen by an individual eye that are not seen from the other eye when it is open and operational. Every individual thing is seen with BOTH eyes if they BOTH are open & operational. Your statement that ones 'vision center' is "more important" for determining a fixed CCB for one method over another needs an explanation that I have not yet heard & frankly doubt I would believe. Does any CTE method require shooting a shot with only one eye or using only one eye to get a fixed CCB.

We have a dominant eye because it is 'wired' on a shorter route to the brain. Turning ones head to the side does not change that. Turning ones head just changes the physical perspective point from which each eye is seeing and brings those different perspective points closer together relative to the line of look which actually decreases the ability to determine the 3rd. dimension, but the short 'wired' eye remains the dominant eye. That change in perspectives can be significantly huge given that a tip contact patch is only 3mm & we are attempting to put the center of that onto the center of the 2 1/4" diameter CB.

 

[cookie man]

You have the same ongoing opportunity to show that you know exactly what the issue is. I have never seen you state it to show that you know what it is. Your comment regarding the pocket along with other comments to others seems to indicate that you do not know what it is. However, like Dennis Miller so often says, I could be wrong about that & you just disingenuously try to play games.

Now the word games,lol. Look i don't blame you for not answering the question and backing up what you posted, that's the standard around here as i stated to you earlier.
Anyway happy retirement. Hope yesterday wasn't your first day being retired and you spent it making 30 useless baseless same old same old post against CTE on AZ. But i'm thinking yesterday is a sample of what the next 20 years of your life is going to look like.

 

[cookie man]

It seems that vitriol(hate?) is rather prevalent with a few on the CTE side. I have not seen any from the other side. Have you?

Are you playing the victim card, again.

 

[cookie man]

As I just explained a few posts back, when you focus on the OB you see two separate cue balls in the foreground. This can be easily tested by closing one eye at a time and taking notice. So no, it's not that cut and dry. Your eyes work together to focus on a specific place at any one time. Other things in our perspective view are seen individually by each eye.

And this is very easily tested out. In fact you don't even need to be using CTE to test it out. Just go to a table and put 2 balls up.

 

[cookie man]

You are 100% correct with that!

Sometimes I wonder how such a trivial thing as pocketing pools balls can actually bring about so much hate and hasty judgement of others. It's a bit funny sometimes, but a bit sad also.

And we have a new participant. Wonder if this one will try to shove his keyboard opinion down our throats for 20 years, lol.
Recently retired and spends his day making 30 posts on AZ about a aiming system he has no intention of learning or using.
SAD SAD SAD

 

[BC21]

......
BC21 has tried to explain how our eyes, brain, & mind's eye work. Our mind's eye does not see 2 pictures from 2 'camera' sources'. It takes the 2 pictures & combines them into one. That is only done for the sake of perceiving depth & not for perceiving things in the horizontal direction.

Every individual's eyesight is different. The mixture of both eyes is different. One individual's 'vision center' might be directly in the middle between the eyes. Another individual's vision center might be as much as 1/2 inch to the right or left, etc., etc., etc.
......

In bold... The mind also uses the visual signals captured from the perspective of one eye to fill in the blindspot from the other eye. It's the mind's internal photoshop process.

Intesting fact... With some people this part of the mind does not function properly, and they see things that aren't really there, because their mind sometimes fills those blindspots with random images from memory instead of trying to match what the other eye is seeing from its perspective. People with this condition have reported seeing tiny elephants, policemen, Jesus, angels, etc... on occassion.