A shot you don't see very often, the kill shot
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I too, am in love with the kill/drag/stun shot. So much so, I included it in a "what's your favorite shot" thread.
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Yes, Efren seems to love that shot, especially here against Jimmy Rempe, playin' the ace at 0:33 in a hill-hill rack...
Listening to the crowd reactions and even the commentary gets me fired up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JM3FLwCrCk
Killshots are amazing if you can master them. Seems as if the angle changes but that could just be my mind. I too, learned it from watching Efren a few years ago when I started playing.
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And the kill shot? I use it all the time because I play bad position...which is the reason you don't see it too often: the pros play good position
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This shot comes up quite often playing 14.1 (straight pool ). Getting on the break ball. You will use it a lot when your key ball is close to a rail and you have to hold the CB and get a good angle to get back to the stack.
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And the kill shot? I use it all the time because I play bad position...which is the reason you don't see it too often: the pros play good position
There are many more reasons to use the draw drag shot during a match.
Also known as the "draw drag" shot. It's a foundational shot in 14.1. It's a great shot to use on crappy tables because you can hit it harder, yet limit roll after contact. Another great shot for crappy tables is stun follow ("walking").
Good catch Dave. I wonder why he does it that way.
I always thought that shot was called drag draw and the kill shot was something else.
The kill shot as I learned it was when you have a shot where you have to cut a ball into a pocket and you want to hold the cueball down in the same area when the natural angle is such that it wants to go either one or two rails and go uptable. You hit the shot with inside/inside + draw and it starts to go the path of one or two rails out of the corner but instead the inside kills the speed dramatically off the first rail.
The kill shot as I learned it was when you have a shot where you have to cut a ball into a pocket and you want to hold the cueball down in the same area when the natural angle is such that it wants to go either one or two rails and go uptable. You hit the shot with inside/inside + draw and it starts to go the path of one or two rails out of the corner but instead the inside kills the speed dramatically off the first rail.
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A variation of the drag shot follows. Put low outside on this shot to not only kill the CB so you can stay "inside" the 8 ball to pot the 9, but the outside english helps throw the 7 in. This shot will swerve and must be compensated for.
A variation of the drag shot follows. Put low outside on this shot to not only kill the CB so you can stay "inside" the 8 ball to pot the 9, but the outside english helps throw the 7 in. This shot will swerve and must be compensated for.
If you're going to use any sidespin at all for the sole purpose of killing the cueball, this shot calls for inside english, no? (You may want to use outside to bring the cueball back a bit toward the 9-ball, however.)
Jim
No, because of the angle and the path the CB takes into the rail, inside will make the CB run. Plus to the extent you are cutting it a little thinner with inside the CB will retain a tad more energy. You will often see players use inside on this shot to go three rails for shape. Tough to do if it kills the CB.
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From the diagram and the angle the CB takes into the cushion, it looks like the CB might have a bit of draw left on it as it collides with the OB. But it's a close call and I'm not sure if that was your intention? If the CB is allowed to develop follow (topspin), then I agree.
This is the main point I wanted to make. The idea that you can reduce CB speed off the OB with outside english, by enabling a thicker hit and letting throw make up the rest of the cut angle, really isn't true to any significant extent unless the balls are fairly close to each other, and essentially no swerve takes place. This is because the CB is thrown in the opposite direction along the tangent line (equal and opposite to the OB's throw velocity component along the same tangent line - from Newton's third law). In other words, for the diagrammed shot, if the OB is thrown to the left (as seen from behind the 7-ball), the CB will pick up exactly the same component of velocity to the right (along the tangent line); its speed is increased by the ball-ball friction. If you're just reducing the OB's throw component with outside, then, accordingly, the CB won't be slowed as much by the friction.
Hitting thicker does yield a potential reduction in CB post-impact speed because of the slight shift in aim line direction. But this is a very slight change, roughly a tenth of a degree or two at typical CB-OB separations. It's so slight that just about any swerve along the way will generally cancel it, or more than cancel it, in effect producing a larger cut angle than meets the eye. Since this is a drag shot, as you indicated, swerve will occur. That's why I believe that swerving from right to left with inside, as opposed to left to right with outside, is the better option...as far as killing speed off the OB.
As mentioned, I'm not sure what state of draw/stun/follow is indicated in the diagram. If draw, then inside would be called for. If stun, it doesn't make much difference whether inside or outside.
Just discussing.
Jim
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Jim, I agree. It really does depend on the exact angle at which the CB hits the rail and as you say, if draw is used then it appears from the diagram that right english would make the CB run and inside would kill it. I probably should have qualified my post a little better. Really the point I was going for was that outside english, which has alternately been called natural or "running" english, in fact does not always make the CB run. Depending on the angle it can kill it too.
We've been sort of focusing on two different aspects of killing the CB: off the cushion versus off the OB. Thanks for the clarification.
Jim