A Very Serious Question To The Group

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Hey everyone I have a quick question that I would like to pose to the group.

If there was a 14.1 tour in your area that was run well and enforced certain rules that other tours are lax on (dress code, late entry, etc) just basic things that get overlooked a lot would you play?

Say the entry was tiered as in

A, B, C, D, and each one of those classes would pay a pre determined amount.


The A's and B's would play on the top side of the draw while the C's and D's would play on the bottom half.

This is a very serious idea that may come to fruition in the NY area and I am trying to get things straightened out logistically before hand and get people's opinions on the matter.

Guys any opinions are appreciated even if you say its a stupid idea. I need to know these things before I get started.

Thanks so much

Charlie
 
14.1 Tour

Charlie,

If it would work anywhere it would work in the NY/NJ/PA area. There are more 14.1 fans in this region than probably anywhere on the planet. If a tour does come together, I just hope there's a stop or two somewhere in northeast PA. Also central PA. They play more straight pool than 9 ball in that area.

Ron F
 
14.1 Tour

Too old and shy to play myself, Charles, but I think the time for the Championship Game is now in the straight pool PA/NJ/NY corridor.
Merry Christmas
 
I Honestly love the idea !!


Will the Tourney be a multi week tourney that leads up to a super tourney at the end of a selected amount of weeks. where each week a few dollars from each player goes into a seperate fund for that last week ? in turn you would need X amount of appearences to qualify.

Also what are you thinking for the finals, would there be a handicap for when player A/B Meets C/D ?

Will each side of the brackets have a different score to meet, because the weaker player's games will take longer to complete. Hense making a longer wait time for when each side meets in the finals.


Like i said i love the idea, and would definatly play !
 
Check that!

On second thought, Charles, I would play. Anything you're associated with is going to be a quality operation...I was sincere about the Merry Christmas, though.
 
I for one would love a regular straight pool tourney. I'm in CT and while my mind says travel to NY, my (getting older) bones say no.

But on another note. My personal preference for a handi-cap format would be dollar entry amount adjustment.

A's pay more to get in than B's, who pay more than C's and so on. Making the scale VERY Very affordable to lower level players. For example, perhaps A's pay 60, B's pay 30 and C's pay 15 or something along the lines of that big a spread in entry.

I do not ever like the idea of giving up balls for the reason that it stymies players from driving to get better, and for the ones who have worked so hard to get better, it pulls the plug from all their work.

I'd rather get my butt kicked playing even than make believe I won getting spotted half the game. :) But, of course that's just my feeling on spots.
 
I would love to see a tour dedicated to 14.1. I don't think that it should be handicapped and have a graded entry fee. If it's handicapped then everyone should pay the same and if it is a graded entry everyone should play even. Sort of a double handicap otherwise.

Not sure if separating the field is a good idea either. How are the lower players going to learn and improve if they only play players around their level? My hope is that players would play on this tour due to their love of the game and because of the competition. Any other reason for playing is really not something to be catered to. Good luck with starting something like this. I hope it works out.
 
Guys let me clarify something real quick, there are no spots whatsoever. This would be a tiered entry system with ABCD being a basic starting point.

Chris as for separating the field I agree with you but I know many won't and they will feel as though they are donating to the better players and thereby wont play. I am trying to cover all bases before getting this off the ground.

I appreciate the input a lot guys thank you so much.

Keep it up.
 
Ron F said:
Charlie,

If it would work anywhere it would work in the NY/NJ/PA area. There are more 14.1 fans in this region than probably anywhere on the planet. If a tour does come together, I just hope there's a stop or two somewhere in northeast PA. Also central PA. They play more straight pool than 9 ball in that area.

Ron F
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Ron:

Nice to hear of another area, besides anywhere in NY, where 14.1 is more popular than that "game whose name is not to be spoken," RomperRoom-ball... oops, I mean... 9-ball.

We have to make sure that a stop or two occurs in that area.

Oh, and btw -- a very happy holidays to all! (I'm in Littleton, Colorado, spending the holidays my folks with my lady, hoping to spread the 14.1 gospel out here.)

-Sean

P.S.: С новым годом to Vahmurka!
 
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i grew up on the game. it was called Rack at Harkins in the 50's 60's. i too wish i lived in your area.If you start it they will come. Hopefully it will be streamed to us country folk. Merry Christmas to you and thank you for your efforts to the best game in pool.
 
I was going to pass the thread, first the tourney won't be played by spots, second, it's for US residents anyway... but post by Sean made me in :grin:
3andstop said:
I'd rather get my butt kicked playing even than make believe I won getting spotted half the game. :) But, of course that's just my feeling on spots.
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14.1 demands so much skill that lesser player will always get drilled by more prolific opponent. Your point is interesting but I feel such system wouldn't leave any hope for those who are on the learning curve.

P.S. Спасибо, Шон! С Новым годом и Рождеством!!! :thumbup:
 
If it's any encouragement, I run a 14.1 league in the midwest and we get more & more participatants each session. Once people get introduced to the game & the league, they fall in love with the game and play the next session.

The one caveat is that my league is handicapped...which seems to be the only way to get the less-dedicated players to play. The zealots would play anyway, but to round out the field I need to offer handicaps.

Good luck with your venture if you pull the trigger. I'll play if it comes anywhere close to me.
 
I love the idea, but Please don't require a vest. They are hard to come by that don't restrict breathing for us very large types :)
 
dr9ball said:
I love the idea, but Please don't require a vest. They are hard to come by that don't restrict breathing for us very large types :)
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Rufus my friend the main dress requirement is going to be a collared shirt as in polo or button down and people have been asking me about slacks and not jeans so that is up in the air right now.

The hardestpart of this entire endeavor is getting the room owners involved. So that is going to be the next course of action.
 
Rather than re-invent the wheel, here are the dress codes and entry fee policies for the Tri-State and Tony Roble's 9-Ball tour for your review.

Dress Codes
http://www.thetristatetour.com/rules.asp
http://www.predator9balltour.com/rules.htm

Entry Fees
http://www.thetristatetour.com/entryfees.asp
http://www.predator9balltour.com/format.htm

As for separating the field, I believe both tours award additional prize money for being the top female player. To help you get a better assessment, I compiled the players base for both tours. C and B players make up the meat of the Bell curve.
 

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Henry that is some mighty fine work. I have never doubted that the lower echelon players were the brunt of the mix. Do you think that handicaps aside from a tiered entry are wise in this situation. I'm not asking this as a rhetorical question as I genuinely want peoples input regarding this matter.

I know that in tony's tour that they do an A side with the a and b players etc. And a B side with the c and d players.

Let me know your thougts.
 
Really enthused about this Charlie! Since you asked for opinions, mine is that you'll have to agree to handicap the points, and not the money. It's the only way to keep everyone happy. If you don't handicap the points, within a month you'll be down to four players. Additionally, without as much of a luck factor as in 9-ball, without handicaps you might be able to predict the winner of the tournament as soon as you see the player list. No drama.

One idea you may want to consider is giving C players and below the option to pay the normal entry fee (say, $100?) and getting their handicap, or paying something like $50 and playing as a pro. Some players may only want some experience and really don't want to pay the full entry fee, and perhaps they shouldn't have to? I'm not sure, haven't really thought about it. (Btw, the only time in this scenario they wouldn't have to play as a pro is if two players who chose this option played each other. Then they would race as Cs, to prevent a super-long game.)

You may still have to overcome time issues, as between two good players a race to 125 can take 45 minutes or 3 hours. Danny and I were experimenting with a chess clock a while back, with very positive results. The huge benefit of this is that it only penalizes the slow player in a match, not both players. The currently-accepted system - where one player can run 90 in an hour-and-a-half, miss, and as soon as the opponent gets up to take his first shot, the ref says "You know, this game is behind schedule, you're on the clock" - is insane.

Thanks Charlie! Can't wait for this!

- Steve
 
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Great Ideas

Steve Lipsky said:
Really enthused about this Charlie! Since you asked for opinions, mine is that you'll have to agree to handicap the points, and not the money. It's the only way to keep everyone happy. If you don't handicap the points, within a month you'll be down to four players. Additionally, without as much of a luck factor as in 9-ball, without handicaps you might be able to predict the winner of the tournament as soon as you see the player list. No drama.

One idea you may want to consider is giving C players and below the option to pay the normal entry fee (say, $100?) and getting their handicap, or paying something like $50 and playing as a pro. Some players may only want some experience and really don't want to pay the full entry fee, and perhaps they shouldn't have to? I'm not sure, haven't really thought about it. (Btw, the only time in this scenario they wouldn't have to play as a pro is if two players who chose this option played each other. Then they would race as Cs, to prevent a super-long game.)

You may still have to overcome time issues, as between two good players a race to 125 can take 45 minutes or 3 hours. Danny and I were experimenting with a chess clock a while back, with very positive results. The huge benefit of this is that it only penalizes the slow player in a match, not both players. The currently-accepted system - where one player can run 90 in an hour-and-a-half, miss, and as soon as the opponent gets up to take his first shot, the ref says "You know, this game is behind schedule, you're on the clock" - is insane.

Thanks Charlie! Can't wait for this!

- Steve
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^Steve^has ^ some^great^ideas! Thanks Steve!

Ron F
 
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