ABP/US Open - So what is the next move??

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The ABP in Chicago issued a statement that their Ranking List would be used to determine the US Open seedings.

The WPA had already agreed to sanction the event but it is their policy to only recognise national associations of the host country (for the US that is the BCA). So Barry Behrman finds himself between a Rock and a Hard Place again. Faced by the prospect that he might lose a large contingent of his overseas stars he issued a statement that was at odds with the ABP Press release.

This was always set up to come to this. The ABP by it's very existence is always going to be confrontational.

But let us face it, how can a tournament be seeded by 1) ABP rankings 2) WPA Rankings 3) BCA Points List 4)The Promoters Discretion Ranking.

The only rankings that the majority of players get an opportunity to benefit from are Matchroom's Mosconi Cup points.

Perhaps Barry should throw all the names in a hat and have an Open draw, that would get rid of the problem.

Barry is trying to be diplomatic but he knows that there are a great number of players (potential entrants) who have no ties to the ABP.

He has done a great job building this tournament to be an international event which commands more affection than any otherthat I know.
Naturally he doesn't want to lose it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------By Barry Behrman - 2012-10-05
the press release this morning from the ABP has put us in a very difficult position that unfortunately endangers the future of the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championships. Many of the players from the 25 or more countries that attend the U.S. Open are dependent upon WPA sanctioning of our event in order to acquire the funds required to travel to the United States. If we lose the WPA sanctioning we would lose the ability to feature these great international players. I have been informed that the WPA will only accept co-sanctioning from the home federation of the country in which an event is held. The WPA does not accept co-sanctions. As accepting a sanction from the ABP would force the WPA to pull their sanction of the U.S. Open we must now state that we have not sanctioned our event with anyone other than the BCA and the WPA. We will be seeding the top players form the WPA and BCA rankings and the spots that are left over will be distributed fairly and in accordance with the wishes of my Tournament Directors. We are happy to continue to co-operate to the limits of our abilities with the ABP. This is in no way a rejection of their organization or its goals. We are simply adhering to internationally accepted standards of sanctioning World Ranking events.
 
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The way the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship caters to foreign (non-American) pool players, it's a slap in the face to Barry.

The ABP should just be transparent, change its name to Dragon, so that Charlie won't have to hide behind too many layers.

Just like the UPA, those well-meaning folks who are believing in the ABP, working for free, will someday see the writing on the wall. It's quite sad, really. Talk about history repeating itself.
 
Why would the ABP not check with the WPA before putting out a press release to make sure that they are not in conflict with the WPA's rules?
That is unless the ABP (CW) thinks they are above this!

It seems like a simple matter of realizing that you don't run everything and you need to comply with the rules and guide lines of other organizations and associations you are dealing with. When there is a conflict sit down discuss and iron out whatever problems and or conflicts that exist. Using good business practices.

This attitude of I'm CW'S and I'm going to do what ever I want is getting really tired and old. Frankly it is wasted energy not only for him but everyone else involved. Pool gets another black eye every time this happens, it's not good for the sport of pool.

If anyone does things that they don't want to put their name to or take responsibility for, perhaps, just perhaps they shouldn't be doing them in the first place. If you deal in good faith and above board with people things tend to work out better in the long run.

Putting out a press release and not signing it is of what value ?
Unless you are trying to miss lead people into thinking, someone is writing a press release about your association (when actually it is your own press release) or when you are claiming things that are not true and you, there for, don't want to take credit for it.
 
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Why would the ABP not check with the WPA before putting out a press release to make sure that they are not in conflict with the WPA's rules?
That is unless the ABP (CW) thinks they are above this!

It seems like a simple matter of realizing that you don't run everything
and you need to comply with the rules and guide lines of other organizations and associations you are dealing with. When there is a conflict sit down discuss and iron out whatever problems and or conflicts that exist. Using good business practices.

This attitude of I'm CW'S and I'm going to do what ever I want is getting
really tired and old. Frankly it is wasted energy not only for him but everyone else involved. Pool gets another black eye every time this happens, it's not good for the sport of pool.

If anyone does things that they don't want to put their name to or take responsibility for, perhaps, just perhaps they shouldn't be doing them in the first place. If you deal in good faith and above board with people things tend to work out better in the long run.

Putting out a press release and not signing it is of what value ?
Unless you are trying to miss lead people into thinking, someone is writing
a press release about your association (when actually it is your own press release) or when you are claiming things that are not true and you, there for, don't want to take credit for it.

Dennis Walsh has signed his name to the Press Release
 
Old School Thinking

Deja Vu, broken record, been there done that :banghead:, it's a poolplayers way of thinking, NOT a true business mans way of thinking. ME me ME me & me. This type of action is not good for the SPORT or the GAME which is bigger that All the players combined, as our game has stood the test of time over many Centuries, and will do so when were in the ground. This is identical and no different than a Great local player, talking their local poolroom owner into adding a large sum of money to have a tournament....BUT, the local player sets the rules, cloth type maybe, pocket size and race length and such. It's their way of thinking, ''what can I do to win'' while not being concerned with Anything or anyone else but themselves.
 
And sadly, this puts Dennis in the position of having to answer for the ABP, since he is the only one actually identified with any of these press releases.

No one from the ABP that has an actual say in things will ever come forward.

It is truly astounding. As I said before, good luck Barry, and now I will add "good luck, Dennis." I don't think he deserves the headache that this has, and will become.
 
A- Is the ABP attempting to prevent attendance by foreign participants?

2. Barry- please realize: If you tell the ABP to get stuffed, how many people do you feel will choose to boycott? If WPA points seekers are unable to attend, what is that #?
 
Dennis Walsh has signed his name to the Press Release

Yes, and thanks I do know that Dennis Walsh signed this latest release,
as i just typed that in another thread I just wrote on this matter.

I was referring to the 40 or so before this, before AzBilliards started
enforcing their policy as to posting only signed press releases, just recently.
 
Can you blame the american pro players for trying to start an organization that has their best interests in mind? Correct me if I am wrong but I get the impression that the BCA doesn't help out the american pro players.

Maybe the BCA should represent the amateur players and the ABP represent the Pros. I'm sure it is a lot more complicated than that though.
 
And sadly, this puts Dennis in the position of having to answer for the ABP, since he is the only one actually identified with any of these press releases.

No one from the ABP that has an actual say in things will ever come forward.

It is truly astounding. As I said before, good luck Barry, and now I will add "good luck, Dennis." I don't think he deserves the headache that this has, and will become.

Dennis seems like a good guy whose intentions are pure. I just hope by becoming embroiled, and by definition responsible for the ABP's poor business profile, his reputation is not besmirched.
 
Can you blame the ABP for wanting some help?

60% of the past decade's winners are not Americans:
Past Champions Men's Division Year/ Winner
2011 Darren Appleton (2)
2010 Darren Appleton
2009 Mika Immonen (2)
2008 Mika Immonen
2007 Shane Van Boening
2006 John Schmidt
2005 Alex Pagulayan
2004 Gabe Owen
2003 Jeremy Jones
2002 Ralf Souquet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Open_9-Ball_Championships
 
Can you blame the american pro players for trying to start an organization that has their best interests in mind? Correct me if I am wrong but I get the impression that the BCA doesn't help out the american pro players.

Maybe the BCA should represent the amateur players and the ABP represent the Pros. I'm sure it is a lot more complicated than that though.
Best interests!

At HUGE cost to the quality of possibly the highest profile pool event in the world.

And they are pulling the reigns, as far as participant quality goes.

The ABP thinks of itself and now only. Not a surprirse. A dragon must maintain its lifestyle.
 
Can you blame the ABP for wanting some help?

60% of the past decade's winners are not Americans:
Past Champions Men's Division Year/ Winner
2011 Darren Appleton (2)
2010 Darren Appleton
2009 Mika Immonen (2)
2008 Mika Immonen
2007 Shane Van Boening
2006 John Schmidt
2005 Alex Pagulayan
2004 Gabe Owen
2003 Jeremy Jones
2002 Ralf Souquet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Open_9-Ball_Championships

:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:

Well, after all, it is the "U.S." Open, right? :wink:

I'd venture to guess that the European governing body of professional pool wouldn't extend a helping hand to an American player the way the BCA helps foreign players. It's a joke!
 
Can you blame the ABP for wanting some help?

60% of the past decade's winners are not Americans:
Past Champions Men's Division Year/ Winner
2011 Darren Appleton (2)
2010 Darren Appleton
2009 Mika Immonen (2)
2008 Mika Immonen
2007 Shane Van Boening
2006 John Schmidt
2005 Alex Pagulayan
2004 Gabe Owen
2003 Jeremy Jones
2002 Ralf Souquet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Open_9-Ball_Championships

Actually, this past decade would have been:

2009 Mika Immonen
2008 Mika Immonen
2007 Shane Van Boening
2006 John Schmidt

2005 Alex Pagulayan
2004 Gabe Owen
2003 Jeremy Jones

2002 Ralf Souquet
2001 Corey Deuel
2000 Earl Strickland


With players from the USA (in bold) doing pretty well when you consider it's a comparison of one country versus the rest of the world.
 
ABP vs BCA at US Open

Dennis seems like a good guy whose intentions are pure. I just hope by becoming embroiled, and by definition responsible for the ABP's poor business profile, his reputation is not besmirched.

Doug,

I agree that Dennis is getting into things that could have an effect on his reputation.

That is what I was saying in the other thread about the ABP using my event in their points rankings.

I certainly hope this action on the part of the ABP helps show people why I had to make the press release that I did make.
http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=10480

CW and ABP (as Jam says - why not just change the name to Dragon) just do what they want to do without much concern or interest in how it affects anyone else (including their members).

Wonder why Archer just keeps letting this stuff go on. He is the President.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
 
Well, if the BCA ever wanted to do something to help American pool, the move would be this: Anybody that affiliates themselves with the ABP will be banned from BCA ranking points.

Fight fire with fire, dag nab it! :mad:
 
"A- Is the ABP attempting to prevent attendance by foreign participants?"

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what they're doing. :rolleyes:
 
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