ABR Special Report - French Press Conference

Its all "he said, she said" at this time.

What needs to happen to get a better understanding is to have French, Dennis and Shane sit at a round table with a moderator.

Probably won't happen, but would sure go a long way to clear up this mess.

Don
 
Its all rotten. To the core. Chopping up the backers has been going on forever.

I wonder now when backing a pro on one of these big tourneys, if the pro wins or cashes, do they even pay the backer their share? I could imagine if a player wanted to screw the backer, there is zero the backer could do about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvtFcK8BaY8
 
Jay, when you talk to Dennis, ask him please if:

1. Dennis asked French for 6500 to get to DCC, and if French gave it to Dennis?
2. After Dennis won 20,725 at DCC, what, if any, money did Dennis give to French?
 
iusedtoberich said:
http://www.dcctickets.com



Here is the list of all the prize winnings.



Dennis got:



Banks 1900

One hole 1725

9 Ball 5300

Master of table 2500

Bigfoot 4000

Straight pool 5300



Total Dennis DCC winnings: 20,725



According to French, French should have half of that, or 10,363.
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Thanks for the research. So this shows that on French's story, Dennis was supposed to give French 1/2 and then put up everything he made at DCC (except $363) and bet it on beating SVB in his best game. Even if DO disagrees with the consensus that he is an underdog in that format, he can't think he is much better than a coin flip.

Unless Dennis is mad at his money, why would he do that? Would you flip a coin (or worse) in Dennis' situation?

Gideon



Gideon
 
iusedtoberich said:
http://www.dcctickets.com

Here is the list of all the prize winnings.

Dennis got:

Banks 1900
One hole 1725
9 Ball 5300
Master of table 2500
Bigfoot 4000
Straight pool 5300

Total Dennis DCC winnings: 20,725

According to French, French should have half of that, or 10,363. So if he is only asking for the 6500 he gave dennis to get to the DCC back, to be even steven, then he is letting Dennis off the hook for 3,862.

This is of course if French is telling the truth, and Dennis is lying. Who knows now.
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He is letting him off the hook for 10,363. He gave him 6,500 which he gets back, plus 50% of winning 10,363.
 
Same old
Hustler finishes 5th grade and hustles pool. Wants to fly, eat, and live for free.
Asks backer to put him in 100K match. If he wins backer gets 1/2. If he loses hustler still gets 25%.
People should keep the money in their pockets and let the hustlers play each other for ten cents and lets see how many streams they sell!

History should teach you something
 
abbassi said:
He is letting him off the hook for 10,363. He gave him 6,500 which he gets back, plus 50% of winning 10,363.
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That is one interpretation.

My interpretation of French's side is just like Eddie and Vince, and Eddie and Burt. French puts up ALL expenses, from food to travel to entry fees to table time practice. In return, Dennis gives French 50% of his prize money. Dennis only gives 50% of gross prize money. Not net prize money, which would be the profit over the entry fee.

Anyway, both interpretations are fair. The contract blows, and is not clear at all.

I'm thinking Dennis did not give French a single dime from any of his DCC winnings. And I'm using the word dime as 10 cents, not 1K. Lets see what Jay finds out.
 
Since you're close to Dennis, maybe you could help me out with this...

seven_7days said:
I'd sooner become the Queen of England before anyone convinces me that DO puts
up $25K of his own money against the guy that has a history of Horse-F*cking him.
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Could you somehow confirm whether or not Dennis is putting up $25K of his own money in this? There's a rumor that he is.
And if he tells you it's true...that, (to me) could be the "smoking gun" in this a false flag operation.

jay helfert said:
I did ask Dennis about that because it was such an unbelievable statement for French to make. I KNOW Dennis would never put up that kind of money, he just doesn't have it. Almost all the money he makes goes to supporting his family. He told me he never agreed to put 25K into this match and I believe him.
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gee...thanks!
 
How sweet of a deal would it have been for Dennis to have someone put him into every tournament he played in, pay for his living expenses, etc. and Dennis gets to keep 50% of what he wins? That alone would have been sweet and then on top of that the guy is willing to help him financially to get a good immigration lawyer, the guy says that he is putting together a T.V. deal together, is getting him sponsors, etc. That would have been sweet.

The problem is that John could not supply that imo. I think all French really wanted was to roll with the big dogs. It seems to me that French wanted to be a big shot in the pool world which he knew nothing about. A guy willing to pay for friendship is bound to get taken advantage of in any industry. I think John promised the world perhaps wanting to buy some respect. A lot of people knew he couldn't deliver what he was saying and used his desires to hustle him. John got out easy imo. I do think that Dennis' best bet though is to give him the 65 and get out of that dumb contract and everyone moves on.
 
(((Satori))) said:
How sweet of a deal would it have been for Dennis to have someone put him into every tournament he played in, pay for his living expenses, etc. and Dennis gets to keep 50% of what he wins? That alone would have been sweet and then on top of that the guy is willing to help him financially to get a good immigration lawyer, the guy says that he is putting together a T.V. deal together, is getting him sponsors, etc. That would have been sweet.

The problem is that John could not supply that imo. I think all French really wanted was to roll with the big dogs. It seems to me that French wanted to be a big shot in the pool world which he knew nothing about. A guy willing to pay for friendship is bound to get taken advantage of in any industry. I think John promised the world perhaps wanting to buy some respect. A lot of people knew he couldn't deliver what he was saying and used his desires to hustle him. John got out easy imo. I do think that Dennis' best bet though is to give him the 65 and get out of that dumb contract and everyone moves on.
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I agree, French got off easy if it went down like French said. But, I disagree on the best course of action now. If I were French (and what he said is true), I'd say I just learned a lesson, and walk away completely. Never back anyone again. 6500 is peanuts. There isn't a way in hell he will get that from any pro player if they don't want to give it to him. Contract or no contract, you can't get money out of a broke person. And it would probably cost him a hell of a lot more to take Dennis to court, than 6500, and then still, if he won, Dennis has no money to pay him.
 
Teacherman said:
Why advance pay for an appearance?
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If you believe French, it was because Shane didn't trust Dennis and French paid him in advance to get the match to happen. It appeared that only after Shane got the 10k, did Dennis ask for 10k also, which was then agreed upon by French (but it's still unclear if Dennis ever got the check before the match fell apart).

(Taking into account that 5k of door monies were also agreed to be given to each player).
 
iusedtoberich said:
I agree, French got off easy if it went down like French said. But, I disagree on the best course of action now. If I were French (and what he said is true), I'd say I just learned a lesson, and walk away completely. Never back anyone again. 6500 is peanuts. There isn't a way in hell he will get that from any pro player if they don't want to give it to him. Contract or no contract, you can't get money out of a broke person. And it would probably cost him a hell of a lot more to take Dennis to court, than 6500, and then still, if he won, Dennis has no money to pay him.
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Just saying... If I were Dennis I would want to make that man feel satisfied. Maybe it doesnt take 6500, maybe just an apology, or something in between. I would want to make things good though and I would want that contract void.
 
Teacherman said:
Why advance pay for an appearance?
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If I were in SVB's shoes, I would totally ask for that. He's being asked to play a match with someone he doesn't trust, backed by someone he doesn't know with no track record. The $10k shows that they are serious and defrays SVB's expenses if he shows up and the match doesn't come off because of some shenanigans.

And if there is going to be a PPV, he is just guaranteeing his end up front.

Aretha Franklin, to this day I think, demands half the fee in CASH before she walks on stage (and takes it with her on stage in her purse). Burned one too many times by promotors.

Gideon

Gideon
 
GideonF said:
If I were in SVB's shoes, I would totally ask for that. He's being asked to play a match with someone he doesn't trust, backed by someone he doesn't know with no track record. The $10k shows that they are serious and defrays SVB's expenses if he shows up and the match doesn't come off because of some shenanigans.

And if there is going to be a PPV, he is just guaranteeing his end up front.

Aretha Franklin, to this day I think, demands half the fee in CASH before she walks on stage (and takes it with her on stage in her purse). Burned one too many times by promotors.

Gideon

Gideon
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Then tell the other party to post No Show money.

It's pretty lame in these so called gambling matches that players are demanding appearance fees, a cut from the stream, a cut from the gate, etc.

It's like, "Hey, I know I said I wanted to play a high stakes match against you. But I won't do it unless I get paid to be there."

That's not gambling. It's pathetic. I know I've gone on the record as to saying players of this era are better than those in the past. However, I'm now 100% certain that guys like Buddy, Sigel, Parica, Archer, and others would completely eat these guys alive in a real gambling match.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Then tell the other party to post No Show money.

It's pretty lame in these so called gambling matches that players are demanding appearance fees, a cut from the stream, a cut from the gate, etc.

It's like, "Hey, I know I said I wanted to play a high stakes match against you. But I won't do it unless I get paid to be there."

That's not gambling. It's pathetic. I know I've gone on the record as to saying players of this era are better than those in the past. However, I'm now 100% certain that guys like Buddy, Sigel, Parica, Archer, and others would completely eat these guys alive in a real gambling match.
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What would be lame is to let someone profit from your money match without giving you a dime.
 
I guess the root problem that causes both players and promoters to be shady, for the past 100 years, is there is so little money to go around. So everyone is trying to get as much as they can, right now.

If there were millions and the money was flowing, probably everyone would be happy with whatever their cut was.
 
I just listened to the French interview again. French says that he did indeed also give Dennis the 10k up front money and Dennis had already sent it home and he hasn't given that back to French (yet).

Unreal. So Dennis owes French $10k + $6500

EDIT: At 38-39 minute mark, French has it ON TAPE with Dennis and Sword that Dennis doesn't want to bet anything in the middle. Dennis apparently said that he is afraid of Shane's break and he will play only for free (nothing in the middle), but with getting the guaranteed money. So there you go. There is a recording of Dennis saying this. I hope the recording surfaces to quiet down Jay and Dennis's other supporters.
 
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