African American Pool Players

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I'm trying to be PC... African American, African Asian, African European, or just plain Black. The NAACP still has "colored people".

There aren't any top level Pro's. Didn't Chicago used to be a hub for African American Pool Players?

Blacks pretty much dominate in Physically challenging games, what ever sport U want to choose.

I don't want to sound like Jimmy the Greek, buy why aren't there more top level African-American/European/Asian pool players... Almost absent. I can count on one hand how many times I've seen it TV.
 
There have been some good ones, Marvin Henderson and Cliff Joyner come to mind. Piggy Banks ain't too shabby either. I've seen many excellent black players down through the years, but mostly they were hustlers, like Patch Eye. They were in it for the money, not the fame. :cool:

In L.A. alone, we had the Ice Man, Texas Shorty, Rush Out Red, California Shorty, Rags, Cecil and Black Nate. All very good players, who occasionally beat some of the "name" players who ventured into the ghetto to take them on.

Strawberry, out of Philly, was another guy I used to hear about beating all the big names at One Pocket.
 
Cisero Murphy

And let's not forget about the "Jackie Robinson" of pool, Cisero Murphy.

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He's no longer with us, but he's an example of a world beater who was "in the thick of it" when it came to breaking down barriers.

RIP, Cisero!
 
I'm trying to be PC... African American, African Asian, African European, or just plain Black. The NAACP still has "colored people".

There aren't any top level Pro's. Didn't Chicago used to be a hub for African American Pool Players?

Blacks pretty much dominate in Physically challenging games, what ever sport U want to choose.

I don't want to sound like Jimmy the Greek, buy why aren't there more top level African-American/European/Asian pool players... Almost absent. I can count on one hand how many times I've seen it TV.

This topic has been brought up before on the forum. If you are truly interested, you can do a search and come up with some very informative threads.

Because of one of those threads, a Wikipedia article was created for the first African-American player namead Cisero Murphy: Murphy was the first African-American professional pocket billiards player to ever win world and U.S. national titles. He is also one of two players to win the world title on a first attempt, the other being Ray Martin who won the title in 1971.

He won the New York City championship at age sixteen, and when he was in his twenties, he won the Eastern States 14.1 Championship six straight times. Because he was African American in an era when there were racial tensions in the United States, Murphy was not invited to compete in world title events until 1965 despite his skills as a player. Many other African Americans who were not accepted in the world title events avoided confrontation due to intimidation


Source: Cisero Murphy Wiki Page.

Photo courtesy of David "Blackjack" Sapolis. :smile:
 

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And let's not forget about the "Jackie Robinson" of pool, Cisero Murphy.

220px-Cicero_Murphy.JPG

He's no longer with us, but he's an example of a world beater who was "in the thick of it" when it came to breaking down barriers.

RIP, Cisero!

What, is there an echo in the house? ;)
 
Melvin "Strawberry" Brooks was admitted into the OnePocket.Org's Hall of Fame after he passed. It's a shame he wasn't admitted before he died, as he was well known for his one-pocket game in competition and in action. :cool:

Article from OnePocket.org about Strawberry: Melvin Brooks in Hall of Fame in 2006.

Here's a reprint from OnePocket.org's website about Strawberry, pool, and one-pocket written in the '90s by the late Paul Jones of Chicago. Thanks God for OnePocket.Org's archival record in the name of pool. Without it, this pool world may not ever get to know the great ones.

Some of the greatest players on this planet earth
Are gonna play some One Pocket, so get your money’s worth.

Legends of the past, and younger players too
Will lock horns at the Sheraton to see what they can do.

Strawberry and friends, they don’t mess around
When they put on a show they really go to town.

One Pocket is a game of classic pool
It is based on science, where safety is the rule.

Not like most games, where you shoot out in a breeze
You can run eight and out, but you had better learn to squeeze.

One Pocket is a game where you have to plan and probe
Sometimes for you to win you need the patience of Job.

If you’re gonna play this game, for you to reach your prime
You will have to learn to play it cool, and shoot no shot before its time.

Yes, remember all the ole One Pocket masters, the safeties, moves and locks
Whichever player gets this cheese will be a proud ole fox.

As time progresses on and stories fill the air
I’ll many times reflect and be glad that I was there.

-- Paul Jones


Photo of Strawberry on the right taken from OnePocket.Org, courtesy of Dennis Wilson, who is one of D.C. finest pool photographer, father, family man, tournament promoter, and all-around nice guy. Dennis probably has one of the largest collections of vintage pool player photographs in the country.
 

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Another player , was a very good 14.1 player in the day was Earl Herring

Interestingly, Earl is originally from the same hometown as another Earl; Strickland, that is.

Here's a cute shot of Dave Pinkston, owner of a pool room in Newburgh, NY, with his GF and Earl Herring on the right. :smile:
 

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Cisero was a good man, one of the finest I ever met. He was the strong silent type. Cisero had the most unique stroke of any top pool player I ever saw. On his final stroke he would take the cue back, hesitate a full second at the top of his high back swing, give a little hitch and then make his final follow through. You had to see it to believe it. Meanwhile he never missed a ball! He was the one who beat Mosconi in the 1966 Burbank tournament to relegate him to second place behind Joe Balsis. Mosconi intimidated just about everyone except Balsis and Murphy. Willie was very polite to these two, who would have eaten him alive if he got out of line. :smile:
 
In my neck of the woods it seems like all the African-American players prefer to play bank pool and ONLY bank pool. I know there are a lot of great pool players (of all colors) that started out playing bank pool but most of them also venture off and try the other games - at least one pocket. I don't see that in my little world - just bank pool.

I think anybody that starts their pool playing lives along the bank pool to one-pocket track as opposed to the nine-ball to one-pocket or even 14.1 to one-pocket are going to have a hard time getting recognized outside of the gambling circles. It does seem like bank pool has gotten more popular in the past few years - or at least I'm hearing more about it. I still think that as far as recognition is concerned - 9 ball, and now 10 ball is where it's at.
 
In my neck of the woods it seems like all the African-American players prefer to play bank pool and ONLY bank pool. I know there are a lot of great pool players (of all colors) that started out playing bank pool but most of them also venture off and try the other games - at least one pocket. I don't see that in my little world - just bank pool.

I think anybody that starts their pool playing lives along the bank pool to one-pocket track as opposed to the nine-ball to one-pocket or even 14.1 to one-pocket are going to have a hard time getting recognized outside of the gambling circles. It does seem like bank pool has gotten more popular in the past few years - or at least I'm hearing more about it. I still think that as far as recognition is concerned - 9 ball, and now 10 ball is where it's at.

One thing I noticed in my travels is a lot of really, really good bank players seem to hail from Kentucky. I'd venture to guess that there's some great unknown bump players down Kentucky way. ;)
 
Here's the link to one of the most extensive threads on this topic. As you will see from the posts, this question touches on critical questions of American society and culture. Until the mid-sixties, when Cisero Murphy was first allowed to compete in major tournaments, the question was a simple academic one: African-American players didn't play in any version of a pro tour because they weren't permitted. In the decades since then, the issue has become more complex, just as all issues of race have become more complex and nuanced since the removal of legal and obvious barriers to participation in various aspects of American society.

I argue that there are three major factors that contribute to the lack of a significant African-American presence on the tournament circuit: economics, lack of role models/exposure to attract younger players, and the desire to maintain anonymity. First, let's discuss economics and anonymity, because they are related. It is an accepted truism that in order to make a living playing tournament pool one has to be among the top 10-15 players in the world. For everyone else, action (such as exists) is the only way to earn enough money to survive, and even that as any road player will tell you, is an extremely iffy proposition. As a result, an athletically talented youngster in the black community is going to gravitate to those sports where there is a chance to earn a living and where there is an already established pathway and examples to follow. Thus, the talent pool for the development of pro-level players becomes extremely limited.

For those who do get into the game, there are a number of factors that lead them to the gambling/road circuit rather than the tournament trail. Ongoing residential segregation is one of those factors. Despite decades of civil rights and equal opportunity legislation, the fact remains that the vast majority of working class African-Americans live in predominantly black communities. As such, a young Black player will most likely go to a black poolroom in his/her community and will learn the pool culture that dominates in that room. For the most part, the pool culture that he will learn is one that is heavily weighted towards money, as opposed to tournament play, and one will find that there is only limited interaction with the 'tournament culture'.

Another factor which discourages tournament participation for African Americans is one which I have not seen discussed in the forums before but which, from my limited experience, plays a large role. It is the increased difficulty that Black players have in maintaining anonymity. For obvious reasons, Black players present at a tournament stand out and are easy to identify. I played in one BCA Amateur 9-ball tournament in Minnesota back in 2000 or so and found that Willie Munson and I were two of the VERY few African-Americans present out of the hundreds of participants. So needless to say, there was no sneaking up on ANYBODY once I had been there for a day. Everybody soon knew about "the tall Black kid with the glasses", and had I planned to hit the road after that tournament instead of returning home to the Virgin Islands, I would have most likely found that news of my existence would follow me to any pool hotbeds that I would have visited. My experience traveling to places like NYC and Orlando have only confirmed this belief about the difficulty that Black players have in maintaining anonymity. As such, if I were living in the States and was intent on maximizing my income potential playing pool, I would avoid tournaments like the plague!

This brings us to the last question--that of culture, examples and precedent. To use an example that most are familiar with, it is well known that since the advent of Tiger Woods, we can see many more Black folk playing golf on courses around the country than we have ever seen before. We see a similar phenomenon in tennis with the Williams sisters. Simply put, public success breeds emulation and imitation. If we accept that one of the reasons for the dearth of young American male players is the lack of television exposure for men's tournaments, then that applies double for African-Americans. It is safe to say that no African-American under the age of fifty has EVER seen an African-American play professional pool on television. As such, none but the true cognoscenti are even aware that a Cliff Joyner even exists, and they may never have heard the name Cisero Murphy. As such young African-Americans have no role models in the sport that they can identify with. Consider what pool would be in the Philippines without Efren Reyes, Jose Parica or Francisco Bustamante. There would be a ton of strong players, no doubt, but it is doubtful that there would be such a level of professional participation without the groundwork that was laid by the "Leader of the Invasion" and the "Magician".

Well, there's my two cents to hopefully get the ball rolling again on what is always a timely and thought-provoking discussion.

Peace,
 
I argue that there are three major factors that contribute to the lack of a significant African-American presence on the tournament circuit: economics, lack of role models/exposure to attract younger players, and the desire to maintain anonymity.

It's hard to argue with such a well written piece but I'll try:

The economic argument can be used for ALL pool players. There's virtually nobody that can make a living at pool but many people try it anyway. Once you are bite with the pool bug it's easy to convince yourself that there's a pot of gold as the end of the rainbow. Apparently, not many African-Americans get fooled by this.

The desire to maintain anonymity? I can't agree with that one. NOBODY has anonymity anymore due to the internet. I've heard stories of guys walking in to bars in the middle of nowhere and having someone there looking them up on the internet to gauge their speed. ANONYMITY is gone for everybody. I guess if your only goal is to hustle a few dollars off of someone than anonymity may still mean something but to all the other players I don't think this means much.

Your last point - the lack of role models/exposure is where I think the rubber meets the road. Most of the role models that younger African American players see are guys that are playing bank pool or one-pocket (if they are lucky). This is obviously a generalization and correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the problem. If you never take the plunge into the world of the rotation games you will remain in obscurity.

What is the origin of the relationship between African Americans and bank pool? I have a theory. I'm thinking the African-Americans got tired up being left out or not invited to the major tournaments and they began to gravitate towards their own game. They sort of said "Forget it. They can have their stupid game and we will have ours." This worked out quite well for a legend like Bugs Rucker but the overwhelming majority of the pool world was playing nine-ball and now ten-ball.
 
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It's hard to argue with such a well written piece but I'll try:

The economic argument can be used for ALL pool players. There's virtually nobody that can make a living at pool but many people try it anyway. Once you are bite with the pool bug it's easy to convince yourself that there's a pot of gold as the end of the rainbow. Apparently, not many African-Americans get fooled by this.

The desire to maintain anonymity? I can't agree with that one. NOBODY has anonymity anymore due to the internet. I've heard stories of guys walking in to bars in the middle of nowhere and having someone there looking them up on the internet to gauge their speed. ANONYMITY is gone for everybody. I guess if your only goal is to hustle a few dollars off of someone than anonymity may still mean something but to all the other players I don't think this means much.

Your last point - the lack of role models/exposure is where I think the rubber meets the road. Most of the role models that younger African American players see are guys that are playing bank pool or one-pocket (if they are lucky). This is obviously a generalization and correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the problem. If you never take the plunge into the world of the rotation games you will remain in obscurity.

What is the origin of the relationship between African Americans and bank pool? I have a theory. I'm thinking the African-Americans got tired up being left out or not invited to the major tournaments and they began to gravitate towards their own game. They sort of said "Forget it. They can have their stupid game and we will have ours." This worked out quite well for a legend like Bugs Rucker but the overwhelming majority of the pool world was playing nine-ball and now ten-ball.

Good post. I would love to hear Freddy the Beard's thoughts on this topic of banks and African-American pool players.

I'm learning some great info from our members. Thanks to all for sharing the wisdom nuggets. :smile:
 
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