Albrecht vs. Bartram challenge?

Knowledge and Experience Skill to Teach

Scott Lee said:
This is a BS statement. Gene teaches a LOT of players, and most of them see some kind of immediate improvement (same thing as me, Randyg, Stan, Little Joe, Joe T, and many others). It has nothing to do with how well he plays. That's like saying Pro One has no validity unless Stan Shuffett wins the US Open 9 Ball. Gene plays great, but Bartram is better...and will win this match, imo. I don't think losing one match with a pro-ability player will have any negative affect on Gene's lesson biz...maybe on his pocketbook, but not his business. Again, this is my opinion, as a fellow teacher. Best of luck to both players! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Scott, I agree. This is going to be an entertaining match. That's all it, or any other match which is observed by stream,video,or in person, is. Speculating on ramifications of the result are silly. It is unlikely that Gene Albrecht's students know much about Chris Bartram, so assuming a loss in the match would hurt his business, is a bit of a reach.

I saw on a post in Big Trucks Facebook where Chris stated there are ten players in Ohio that could beat Gene. I would have to agree, and perhaps a few more.

I also knew Gene 23 years ago when I was living in Eau Claire Wisconsin working at London Road Billiards, and Albrecht had Geno's Bar in Chippewa Falls. There was an action hotspot!! At that time,there weren't Two Players in Wisconsin who could best him on a Bar Box! Guys from all over the Upper Midwest came through, some from down South, and they always had Action. Gene was one hell of a player. Now, he is one hell of a Teacher.

Then you have the multitude of accidents Gene has had, and it will destroy the long term ability to play at top tier level. That doesn't destroy the Heart however. Gene has a lot of Heart, and I applaud him for stepping into the ring.

If Gene loses, he hasn't lost anything. If Bartram wins, he has bragging rights and a few bucks. I'll be watching because 1: I support Big Truck and what he does for pool. 2: I want to see Gene display something a lot of old crippled geezers have, more heart than brains!!

Hoist up a Leinenkugel Boys, Geno's in the House!!!

cajunfats
 
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Limpkinw said:
Are there many/any instructions in the world that would be favored against Bartram?
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Stevie Moore is a very good instructor, I think he would do fine against Bartram on a neutral table. If Bartram wanted to play 14.1, I think Stan Shuffett would give him a run for his money.

I guess I don't see why this has to be a "who has the biggest penis" deal. Bartram is a great player, I don't think anybody can argue that. Day in, day out at this point (with age, some injury/health issues and time focused on instructing), Gene may or may not be able to get his A game together. I've seen Gene play enough though to believe on any given day, he's good enough to win the match. Whether or not that "day" will happen when he plays Chris in his hometown at his home table remains to be seen.
 
Good for business

I don't think if Gene loses it will hurt him at all, he is stepping up to the plate in a tough game and he knows it. I think he is ready for this match. Gene has always been one of the best players from Wisconsin. Gene has heart and is not afraid. That is what it takes. I hope he is breaking well , because Chris has a big break, this will be very important. Gene has to string some racks, if he can , he can win. He has the experience and heart to pull this off. I do know I will take the 6 and the break from the winner or loser. I also know how i play. Good Luck, should be interesting.
 
nobcitypool said:
Stevie Moore is a very good instructor, I think he would do fine against Bartram on a neutral table. If Bartram wanted to play 14.1, I think Stan Shuffett would give him a run for his money.

I guess I don't see why this has to be a "who has the biggest penis" deal. Bartram is a great player, I don't think anybody can argue that. Day in, day out at this point (with age, some injury/health issues and time focused on instructing), Gene may or may not be able to get his A game together. I've seen Gene play enough though to believe on any given day, he's good enough to win the match. Whether or not that "day" will happen when he plays Chris in his hometown at his home table remains to be seen.
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EXACTLY. Earl was world championships 5 times, and guess what, he lost games and matches after each time he won a world championship, it does not make that person a world champion, and does not take away from Earl's skills.

Win or lose, big deal. A game does not define who you are. Geno's stepping in the box with a pro level player who is not only much younger, but a hell of a lot healthier.....
Win or lose, he's still the same great player and same great teacher.

That being said, I'm betting on Geno just cause he's got heart.
 
Scott Lee said:
Chris...I never said Gene will play "bad", and I seriously doubt that he will. It may even be a close match. All I said was that I believe Bartram plays better. I also seriously doubt that losing a match to Bartram will have any negative affect on Gene's lesson business...that's coming from another instructor who couldn't beat Bartram either (and never claims to be some kind of champion player)! LOL People who choose who to take lessons from, based solely on who can beat whom, are seriously delusional. Yes, a good instructor has to be able to play and be able to demonstrate concepts and principals, but they sure don't have to play pro level to be a good teacher. Conversely, I've personally seen pro players who couldn't teach at all!

Here is a good example. Does anybody think Shawn Foley can beat Tiger Woods, yet he is Tigers go to guy about his swing. Here is a guy who probably can't break par teaching the best golfer on the planet. But hey tiger would torch him so why would I take lessons from him:grin:
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Banks said:
It was posted a few times in the other thread what they're playing for, I think in the first page or two. Gene's got a huge pair to put up his hard cash on this one. Can't deny that one bit.
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I got this quote from page 14 of that thread...whew!


Gene is putting up about 40% of his bankroll.There is one Goose between them. The winner will get 75% of the PPV and the loser will get 25%.

This match is not about the money for these two though. It's about proving something. For both of them too. I really think Geno is gonna surprise everyone here. You heard it here.

Ray.
 
It would have been fun to see Angelo Dundee challenge Muhammad Ali to a 5-round boxing match.

I mean, since Dundee was the greatest boxing coach in the world, he should have been able to go at least five rounds, right?

The only problem is that Dundee never stepped foot inside a ring as a fighter. He trained the best fighters in the world (Ali, Robinson, Leonard, too many more to name), but never wore a boxing glove.
 
Scott Lee said:
This is a BS statement. Gene teaches a LOT of players, and most of them see some kind of immediate improvement (same thing as me, Randyg, Stan, Little Joe, Joe T, and many others). It has nothing to do with how well he plays. That's like saying Pro One has no validity unless Stan Shuffett wins the US Open 9 Ball. Gene plays great, but Bartram is better...and will win this match, imo. I don't think losing one match with a pro-ability player will have any negative affect on Gene's lesson biz...maybe on his pocketbook, but not his business. Again, this is my opinion, as a fellow teacher. Best of luck to both players! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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On the contrary I don't see how Gene losing is good for his business. I really don't understand the point in aiming systems at all. If Gene was teaching something all the pro's use then ok but majority of pro's do not. Not to mention the accounting for spin that throws off the aiming. I think it is great for your beginners to get them lined up properly but after that it is a money marketing scheme IMO.
 
ScottyDzntKnow said:
Scott Lee said:
Chris...I never said Gene will play "bad", and I seriously doubt that he will. It may even be a close match. All I said was that I believe Bartram plays better. I also seriously doubt that losing a match to Bartram will have any negative affect on Gene's lesson business...that's coming from another instructor who couldn't beat Bartram either (and never claims to be some kind of champion player)! LOL People who choose who to take lessons from, based solely on who can beat whom, are seriously delusional. Yes, a good instructor has to be able to play and be able to demonstrate concepts and principals, but they sure don't have to play pro level to be a good teacher. Conversely, I've personally seen pro players who couldn't teach at all!

Here is a good example. Does anybody think Shawn Foley can beat Tiger Woods, yet he is Tigers go to guy about his swing. Here is a guy who probably can't break par teaching the best golfer on the planet. But hey tiger would torch him so why would I take lessons from him:grin:
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I have played and known Mark Wilson for years, he is with out a doubt, one of the best player instructors ever. I think Gene beats Mark when they were both in their prime for the cash. Mark was more of a tournament player. Both great players but Gene was the money player, just my thoughts.
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Not at all trying to get into a debate but i would not consider what he teaches an aiming system.

dundeewizard said:
On the contrary I don't see how Gene losing is good for his business. I really don't understand the point in aiming systems at all. If Gene was teaching something all the pro's use then ok but majority of pro's do not. Not to mention the accounting for spin that throws off the aiming. I think it is great for your beginners to get them lined up properly but after that it is a money marketing scheme IMO.
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tucson9ball said:
What I'm getting at is this...any time there is more bet on the rail than in the middle, seems a lil weird to me.
Anybody else have thoughts?
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I have a thought.

I think a couple of conspiracy theorists in this thread keep talking
out of the side of their mouth trying to drop hints that this is some con,
like maybe chris will dump to gene and make some lucky side bettors rich.

I think they do this because it makes them feel smart,
like "check me out, I've been around the block and I can spot the hustle a mile away.
I'm a Man In The Know."

I think it's a shitty thing to hint at, when we're talking about two guys
who have good reputations and are always in action, and have made
plenty of games without incident.

Now go ahead and tell me "that's not what I meant at all!
You're reading too much into this!"
 
ChicagoRJ said:
EXACTLY. Earl was world championships 5 times, and guess what, he lost games and matches after each time he won a world championship, it does not make that person a world champion, and does not take away from Earl's skills.

Win or lose, big deal. A game does not define who you are. Geno's stepping in the box with a pro level player who is not only much younger, but a hell of a lot healthier.....
Win or lose, he's still the same great player and same great teacher.

That being said, I'm betting on Geno just cause he's got heart.
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I will take your action...How much do you want to bet?
 
CreeDo said:
I have a thought.

I think a couple of conspiracy theorists in this thread keep talking
out of the side of their mouth trying to drop hints that this is some con,
like maybe chris will dump to gene and make some lucky side bettors rich.

I think they do this because it makes them feel smart,
like "check me out, I've been around the block and I can spot the hustle a mile away.
I'm a Man In The Know."

I think it's a shitty thing to hint at, when we're talking about two guys
who have good reputations and are always in action, and have made
plenty of games without incident.

Now go ahead and tell me "that's not what I meant at all!
You're reading too much into this!"
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green for you
 
dundeewizard said:
On the contrary I don't see how Gene losing is good for his business. I really don't understand the point in aiming systems at all. If Gene was teaching something all the pro's use then ok but majority of pro's do not. Not to mention the accounting for spin that throws off the aiming. I think it is great for your beginners to get them lined up properly but after that it is a money marketing scheme IMO.
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Well....you don't know what you don't know.
 
CreeDo said:
I have a thought.

I think a couple of conspiracy theorists in this thread keep talking
out of the side of their mouth trying to drop hints that this is some con,
like maybe chris will dump to gene and make some lucky side bettors rich.

I think they do this because it makes them feel smart,
like "check me out, I've been around the block and I can spot the hustle a mile away.
I'm a Man In The Know."

I think it's a shitty thing to hint at, when we're talking about two guys
who have good reputations and are always in action, and have made
plenty of games without incident.

Now go ahead and tell me "that's not what I meant at all!
You're reading too much into this!"
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^^^^get this man a shiny new nickle. Best post of this thread BY FAR!
 
BasementDweller said:
For it to be a "BS statement" as you so eloquently put it, wouldn't it have to be untrue? Basically, what you are saying is -- if Gene gets wiped out and doesn't look very good on the table that would be GOOD PR for his instruction? I don't think so and that's what I said. It's pretty simple really.

If you want to be delusional and think that an instructor that PLAYS bad on video is not bad for business than go right ahead. Although I would call that type of thinking BS.
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I humbly disagree with what you're saying and here's why:

1) ANYONE and I stress ANYONE can play bad on video and have an off day. I've watched countless touring pros absolutely dog it and spray balls non-stop. Does that mean they play bad? A day later they might never ever miss, ever.

2) I've personally played with pros ranging from elite HOF players to the average journeyman pro. I played Gene while on a business trip in MN. He played REALLY well. The guy is a great player and plays at the top of the "instructor" heap of players.

3) Losing to Chris Bartram doesn't mean anything because Chris is a fuggin' terminator. I like how Gene is stepping up. We don't see any other instructor matching up with Chris. So being quiet and minding your own business equates to good business and stepping out once in a while to see what you're made of equates to hurting your business if you don't click like you should?

Just the fact that Gene is playing, in my opinion, lends credit to his teaching business.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Just the fact that Gene is playing, in my opinion, lends credit to his teaching business.
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Right there. If the local golf instructor could challenge a pro and even keep it close, he'd have a full schedule in no time. He's no slouch, he gets results and he's willing to belly up to a beast like Bartram. What's there to knock?
 
1 Lone Wolf said:
I don't think if Gene loses it will hurt him at all, he is stepping up to the plate in a tough game and he knows it. I think he is ready for this match. Gene has always been one of the best players from Wisconsin. Gene has heart and is not afraid. That is what it takes. I hope he is breaking well , because Chris has a big break, this will be very important. Gene has to string some racks, if he can , he can win. He has the experience and heart to pull this off. I do know I will take the 6 and the break from the winner or loser. I also know how i play. Good Luck, should be interesting.
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I was thinking the same thing. If Gene loses the break will be a big factor. Chris breaks almost as good as Shane. If I were matching this up they wouldn't be playing 10 ball
 
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