"All Around" Player without One Pocket?

[Walt Frazier]

What about Cliff Joyner ?

He plays all games very strong .A few years ago, he won the 8 ball and the 9 ball bar box title in the same weekend against a very strong field..

If you classify the "all around" disciplines as 9ball(or 10ball),Bank pool and One pocket(like the DCC)..I think Cliff should qualify as one of the greatest all-around players right now.

Although he may not have the impressive tournament resume' that some of these other guys do,his action conquests speaks for itself..He's double tough for the dough.

I vote for Cliff

 

[jay helfert]

He plays all games very strong .A few years ago, he won the 8 ball and the 9 ball bar box title in the same weekend against a very strong field..

If you classify the "all around" disciplines as 9ball(or 10ball),Bank pool and One pocket(like the DCC)..I think Cliff should qualify as one of the greatest all-around players right now.

Although he may not have the impressive tournament resume' that some of these other guys do,his action conquests speaks for itself..He's double tough for the dough.

I vote for Cliff

You may be right on here. Who is going to beat Cliff today playing all three games? Efren maybe, and Shannon would be a close match, along with Danny Harriman. So, it's a very short list. A few years ago when he was healthy, I would have put Nick up here, and Buddy would have been the favorite over any of them 15 years ago. I'm strictly talking 9-Ball, Banks and One Pocket now.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

I'm strictly talking 9-Ball, Banks and One Pocket now.

To stir the pot a lttle more, with the aforementioned criteria, how about "Amang". Jose Parica would be a top contender in the over all mix of those three disciplines. Even today, his game has not fallen off too much.
But, I'm still dancing with who brought me...Shannon Daulton.

 

[jay helfert]

To stir the pot a lttle more, with the aforementioned criteria, how about "Amang". Jose Parica would be a top contender in the over all mix of those three disciplines. Even today, his game has not fallen off too much.
But, I'm still dancing with who brought me...Shannon Daulton.

Parica may have been the best of the bunch, right up there with Buddy in these three games. But that was a few years back as well. There was definitely a time when NO ONE any part of Parica. He WAS the man!

 

[Marvel]

Thank's Teddy and Jay!

About history and achievements I already knew some, but this was what I was interested for.

How would he compare with today's top players? I would say he played about Buddy's top speed. And Buddy was the best money player of his era.
Very similar game. Methodical, careful and well planned shots. Precise postion and error free ball making. Lassister's stroke was more reminiscent of Allen Hopkins though. It was short and compact, but he could let it out if he had to, which was rare. He always stayed so close to the ball. Kind of like the way Mosconi played Straight Pool. Close, tight position shot after shot.

I suspect Luther had an influence on Buddy. He plays so much like him. I never asked him that.

The description about his game was nice to hear, as for some reason I have been very interested about this Old Master, and the description of his game sounds quite similar as the game I try to copy and learn. Accurate and strategically evolved, where all the attention is on the cue ball. (sometimes I like to let it loose also, but under pressure I go back to 'basics' - to the simple and metodhical game).


One year ago at Vegas, I asked from this old skool fellow (originally) from Hawaii, whose name I cannot recall now, but who has been around and seen it all, how Wimpy would match with modern Champs.
I asked about Efren, and he sort of smiled and shook his head. I understood that this gesture was meaning that these legends are over-exaggerated, and he wouldn't match with the top pros of nowadays at all. Then I asked again, how would he match with, for example Archer, and I was surprised again, as he said: "Wimpy would beat Archer for sure...".

I would pay some cheese if I could get a hold from some decent quality tape of his game.
I've been priviledged to see only this Crane's 150 n out, from the Legends..

 

[Terry Ardeno]

I would pay some cheese if I could get a hold from some decent quality tape of his game.
I've been priviledged to see only this Crane's 150 n out, from the Legends..

Markus,

So would I, however, I don't think any exists. Outside of the Legends we talked about when he was near the end, the only other film I know of is an older (1970 or so) piece from a program called ABC Wide World of Sports where he ad Steve Mizerak played 14.1. BUT, when they were filming, it was during a prolonged saftey battle and very few balls were pocketed. So, it was not widely recieved and actually had something to do with pool on TV switching to 9 ball. I've never seen it, but I've read that it happened to be a not particularly well played match. I have never heard of any other video of Lassiter in his prime.