All Members Please Give Your Opinion On The Following Forum Behavior / Issues
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Danger Will Robinson...
Please do not hijack a good thread.
I would much rather listen to a good discussion about personal philosophies rather than a bad discussion philosophizing about personalities.
Take your personal pissing contest over to the corner and settle it like men...privately!
Please do not hijack a good thread.
I would much rather listen to a good discussion about personal philosophies rather than a bad discussion philosophizing about personalities.
Take your personal pissing contest over to the corner and settle it like men...privately!
First off, manwon, i'd like to applaude you on starting both this and the other thread. it takes a man of extrodinary characture to stand up and speak out when he see's an injustice being done, and i completly agree with every point you have made.
thank you.
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back on point, in the instance of weights, sure, its understandable for people not to have scales, who would? but if someone is serious about selling a cue, it doesnt take 2 seconds to hope over to a post office, they all have scales and theres one on just about every corner. and weights aren't that difficult to obtain, now measurments ie: tip size, that can be alittle more tedious as not everyone owns a caliper nore is there one on every corner, but damn, this is the information agge, at least give us some pictures and an asking price
thank you.
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i'm relativly new here so i don't really know, but it seems to me that the wanted/forsale section was created for flippers and distributers. it seems to me thhis section was created for the avg players that happen to have a cue to get rid of or lookng for one. although due to all the hyping and down talking, its become near imposible for anyone to sell a production cue without loosing thier shirt to some jerk flipper downing the cue's value and or respectibility on the market so they can pick it up for a fraction of the value, only to turn around and ask the same price the original seller was asking to begin with. this is by far the most underhanded action i see on a regular basis.JimS said:
back on point, in the instance of weights, sure, its understandable for people not to have scales, who would? but if someone is serious about selling a cue, it doesnt take 2 seconds to hope over to a post office, they all have scales and theres one on just about every corner. and weights aren't that difficult to obtain, now measurments ie: tip size, that can be alittle more tedious as not everyone owns a caliper nore is there one on every corner, but damn, this is the information agge, at least give us some pictures and an asking price
i agree completly with this, its become more and more common just in the year i've been here about people hyping certain cues, and talking down others. not even just in makers, but in "custom" vs "production". as an example, its like meucci cues. this place is so biased and snobby, every time meucci is mentioned, its knocking on the product, even though its arguably the most collected brand cue and bob and meucci cues have done more for the billiard industry and sport than anyone else ever. you'd think there would be alittle more respect offered. this practice, as i stated above, has made it near imposible for a non flipper/dealer to sell a cue. and i don't belive that was the intention of this forrum section.BPG24 said:
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Though not likely to be taken seriously because I have a certain friendship, I'll post anyhow.
The board does have it's problems and I, like many others, would like to see some improvements made. I will do my part to help in that.
This thread started out very good until post number 4. That's where in my opinion the thread becomes a witch hunt against 1 person. Didn't take long did it?
The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person. The issues raise some valid concerns that should be brought up for discussion as a whole.
Let me say that again: The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person.
As a comment on post #4 and the subsequent backlash, if rep is to be taken so seriously as to be the gauge of credibility in this forum, I am going to pose the following observation:
A recent thread entitled "Look Here for Something Free" was all about giving FREE rep. Rep for doing nothing but posting in that thread. This thread has 123 replies and 2849 views, yet not one person felt the need to say anything against doing this? So, does that mean that EVERY member that posted in it, gave, and/or received rep is less credible because of it? When someone offers something for free and says (assumption here) "cool I can move up a few spots for the hell of it", it all of a sudden becomes a huge problem? Where is all the flack for those people in the "Look here" thread? Isn't "Hey give me rep & I'll give you rep back" the same thing?
Quite honestly, there are people on this board that have all 11 "greenies," yet I wouldn't stop to give the time of day to them. Just as I am sure some people feel the same about me. There are people that have rep because they always post humorous threads, there are people that have rep because they post political views, but does that mean they are credible enough to do business with? If you answer yes, think again. We all put our pants on one leg at a time (unless you wear a skirt
). Sure, rep should count for something, actually rep should count for many things, not just as a gauge to find out if a person is credible of doing business with.
So, do we stop giving rep because we like a post? Do we stop giving rep because a post makes us laugh, or do we only give rep because that person is good to do business with? Many people, myself included, use this forum as a form of entertainment. I've only had 4 transactions here and NOT 1 rep point was given to me because it was a good transaction. If I remember correctly, most of my rep has been given to me because I posted something that someone found humorous or worthy of note. Does that make me credible to do business with? Is the guy that was collecting negative rep FOR FUN (sorry cant remember who) and has 11 reds, any less credible than the guy with 11 green?
Basically, I think there is entirely too much emphasis being put on "reputation points." Sure, it's nice that I have 11 greenies, I am humbled by the people that thought I wrote something worth giving it to me for. But in all honesty, what the hell does it mean? Is it so important that it is worth getting into an uproar about? I believe it means different things to different people.
As far as hype, sure I am guilty. EVERYONE is. Anything ANYBODY says positive about someone/something else is hype, like it or not. Anytime anyone recommends a cue, a case, a tip, chalk, etc, it's all hype. I can't vouch for anyone else on here, but if someone on this board asks for an opinion of an item , I am going to tell them about the item that I use and am happy with. I am not going to tell them about a product I have not tried/or owned. Just as most everyone on this board has, does or will do at one time or another.
We've had a battle of words or two, but 1pRoscoe once told me something that I think is very true and everyone should apply: "I take all positive and negative reviews with a grain of salt - simply because all of them are biased." I don't think there has been any better advice given than that. Now that I think about it, I don't think I gave Ross rep for that post
I urge everyone to learn from Ross' post as I have. I have recently written a review and no matter how hard I tried to be objective and post pictures to prove my honest opinion, I could not help but to reflect on Ross' comment. No matter how hard I tried, or what words I used in an attempt to be objective, I could not help but to think "Damn that Ross is right, it is biased." LOL.
The thing that I'd like to add to the list is that we allow people to post negatively and positively in the same thread, but in civility and not to let the post fall into a flame war, which is usually the case. But people need to remember Ross' post: "It's ALL biased." I'll add to that and say: It's ALL biased AND it's ALL hype." What one person is going to deem "hype," another person is going to deem as an honest opinion. No getting around that.
I'm still going to recommend the products I use and so is everyone else on this forum, but in the end it's still up to the consumer to wade through it all. If someone takes my honest opinion/recommendation "with a grain of salt" (damn Ross LOL) that is their right.
I am only commenting on these two topics in Manwon's OP as I don't feel I have enough trading experience to comment on the others.
Manwon has some good questions/concerns and has tried to get the thread back online in post #17. When any thread spirals into a blatant attack on someone else (no matter who it is), it makes it not worth reading. Though any thread that does this is sure to be the gossip of the day. People like to beat a good dead horse, choose sides, and argue until they are blue in the face, as seen in this very thread.
Maybe we can all visit the vBulletin (maker of the forum software) home page, read their forums, and come up with some positive suggestions as to how we can address some of the issues presented. http://www.vbulletin.com/
This is still the most widely recognized forum and an excellent place to come for information, cues, AND entertainment. In the end, the majority of what is posted here is opinion, and as such is neither right or wrong. All of the nonsense isn't going to stop, but we can all do our part to help curb it.
Thank you all for reading.
Regards,
Craig
The board does have it's problems and I, like many others, would like to see some improvements made. I will do my part to help in that.
This thread started out very good until post number 4. That's where in my opinion the thread becomes a witch hunt against 1 person. Didn't take long did it?
The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person. The issues raise some valid concerns that should be brought up for discussion as a whole.
Let me say that again: The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person.
As a comment on post #4 and the subsequent backlash, if rep is to be taken so seriously as to be the gauge of credibility in this forum, I am going to pose the following observation:
A recent thread entitled "Look Here for Something Free" was all about giving FREE rep. Rep for doing nothing but posting in that thread. This thread has 123 replies and 2849 views, yet not one person felt the need to say anything against doing this? So, does that mean that EVERY member that posted in it, gave, and/or received rep is less credible because of it? When someone offers something for free and says (assumption here) "cool I can move up a few spots for the hell of it", it all of a sudden becomes a huge problem? Where is all the flack for those people in the "Look here" thread? Isn't "Hey give me rep & I'll give you rep back" the same thing?
Quite honestly, there are people on this board that have all 11 "greenies," yet I wouldn't stop to give the time of day to them. Just as I am sure some people feel the same about me. There are people that have rep because they always post humorous threads, there are people that have rep because they post political views, but does that mean they are credible enough to do business with? If you answer yes, think again. We all put our pants on one leg at a time (unless you wear a skirt
). Sure, rep should count for something, actually rep should count for many things, not just as a gauge to find out if a person is credible of doing business with. So, do we stop giving rep because we like a post? Do we stop giving rep because a post makes us laugh, or do we only give rep because that person is good to do business with? Many people, myself included, use this forum as a form of entertainment. I've only had 4 transactions here and NOT 1 rep point was given to me because it was a good transaction. If I remember correctly, most of my rep has been given to me because I posted something that someone found humorous or worthy of note. Does that make me credible to do business with? Is the guy that was collecting negative rep FOR FUN (sorry cant remember who) and has 11 reds, any less credible than the guy with 11 green?
Basically, I think there is entirely too much emphasis being put on "reputation points." Sure, it's nice that I have 11 greenies, I am humbled by the people that thought I wrote something worth giving it to me for. But in all honesty, what the hell does it mean? Is it so important that it is worth getting into an uproar about? I believe it means different things to different people.
As far as hype, sure I am guilty. EVERYONE is. Anything ANYBODY says positive about someone/something else is hype, like it or not. Anytime anyone recommends a cue, a case, a tip, chalk, etc, it's all hype. I can't vouch for anyone else on here, but if someone on this board asks for an opinion of an item , I am going to tell them about the item that I use and am happy with. I am not going to tell them about a product I have not tried/or owned. Just as most everyone on this board has, does or will do at one time or another.
We've had a battle of words or two, but 1pRoscoe once told me something that I think is very true and everyone should apply: "I take all positive and negative reviews with a grain of salt - simply because all of them are biased." I don't think there has been any better advice given than that. Now that I think about it, I don't think I gave Ross rep for that post
I urge everyone to learn from Ross' post as I have. I have recently written a review and no matter how hard I tried to be objective and post pictures to prove my honest opinion, I could not help but to reflect on Ross' comment. No matter how hard I tried, or what words I used in an attempt to be objective, I could not help but to think "Damn that Ross is right, it is biased." LOL.
The thing that I'd like to add to the list is that we allow people to post negatively and positively in the same thread, but in civility and not to let the post fall into a flame war, which is usually the case. But people need to remember Ross' post: "It's ALL biased." I'll add to that and say: It's ALL biased AND it's ALL hype." What one person is going to deem "hype," another person is going to deem as an honest opinion. No getting around that.
I'm still going to recommend the products I use and so is everyone else on this forum, but in the end it's still up to the consumer to wade through it all. If someone takes my honest opinion/recommendation "with a grain of salt" (damn Ross LOL) that is their right.
I am only commenting on these two topics in Manwon's OP as I don't feel I have enough trading experience to comment on the others.
Manwon has some good questions/concerns and has tried to get the thread back online in post #17. When any thread spirals into a blatant attack on someone else (no matter who it is), it makes it not worth reading. Though any thread that does this is sure to be the gossip of the day. People like to beat a good dead horse, choose sides, and argue until they are blue in the face, as seen in this very thread.
Maybe we can all visit the vBulletin (maker of the forum software) home page, read their forums, and come up with some positive suggestions as to how we can address some of the issues presented. http://www.vbulletin.com/
This is still the most widely recognized forum and an excellent place to come for information, cues, AND entertainment. In the end, the majority of what is posted here is opinion, and as such is neither right or wrong. All of the nonsense isn't going to stop, but we can all do our part to help curb it.
Thank you all for reading.
Regards,
Craig
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Varney Cues said:I've been warned not to participate in this thread. I understand the attemps to drag me into this hoping for drama. Its not going to happen & I'll follow the forum rules.
I would like to make a couple of points clear. BPG24 I'm sorry you feel the need to get into my business. Yes I promised a cue before Christmas, had a child and was late and didn't deliver until after Christmas. The cue has been long since delivered and everyone is happy. You were not in the deal nor have you ever had any dealings with me...yet you continue to harp on this and discuss my family. How many children I have or how late I am on a cue is none of your business...period. As for the threat...I made no threat. If I did it would be clear. I simply told someone it was time for us to meet. Funny how some will talk...until you are in the same room with them then suddenly they want to make nice & buy you a beer. Hell...some of my closet friends were made that way. If someone wants to continue to talk while I'm standing there in their face, well thats their own decision.
As for manwon he keeps complaining about me buying rep. Well lets set the record straight for everyone here. My rep had me on page 1 and in 18th place...right above manwon. This rep was earned by my deeds since I've become a member here. No matter how much daily rep I received I couldn't go higher than 18th place. Well there was a recent thread in the sale section..."Look here for something free" where basically everyone was swapping rep with each other for no good reason other than to gain more rep points. No one whined, cried, or complained about that thread. I simply decided to go one better and offer my services in a somewhat free way. Many members will now have new Justis shaft burnishers & a few free tip replacements as well. The thread was well received and everyone enjoyed it as evidenced by the large number of rep points I got not wanting a tip but just saying "good job"! Everyone was happy and no harm or foul...except to manwan who now starts complaining about me buying rep.Like I stated...I was in 18th place on my own merit. The free tip thread simply bumped me up 2 spaces...I'm very sorry manwon that this displeases you so...you have my apologies. I felt is was kind of a good karma deal...and so do all the members who are now sending me their shafts for a free tip & shaft cleaning. I was simply trying to do a good deed. Now I've said my peace & everyone has the other side of the story. I would appreciate it if from now own everyone would act like gentlemen and drop the childish drama. I have a lot of work to do and I hope everyone has a wonderful Tuesday!
Kevin nothing that I have posted is directed at you on a personal level. The point I though was obvious, it was to say that our reputations are the most valuable things we have. I am not trying to participate in a race for Green Points, I could careless!!!!!! about my standing here or anywhere else, I need nothing to show me where I stand. The only place where my standing is important is in the eyes of the person I see in the mirror every morning, and in the eyes of my wife and child. I really think many of us forget that before we can be of value to others, we first have to be of value to ourselves!!! These standings do not make us important, they also do not give us any power, only our actions can, which by the way is a direct reflection our true selves. Giving items away, out of generosity is a wonderful thing and for those who understand this, it is also a very personal thing that kinda keeps you warm on a cold night. In addition those who do services for others out of kindness and careing do not expect anything in return for their actions. A good example of this was recently done here on the forum by AZ Member Smokey. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=86418
Kevin, I have not had the pleasure of trying any of your cues as yet!! However, I have talked with a Friend who did and he only had good things to say about your work. In his opinion you do make a very good jump break cue, that is equal to most of the better ones being made today. His opinion is not based on this forum, or from anything else other than his experience, and this speaks volumes and is very believable.
Kevin if this is a competition for you so be it, thats your right. However do not include me in the race. I understand that your cue business is important to the support of family. I do not or never would want to cause anyone to loose money that is worked hard for. My only purpose with this thread was to support the AZ community in general. I do not believe that trading goods and services for Reputation Points is what they are designed for, and I also think that it degrades the entire purpose. Like I said in the beginning of this thread, these points are designed to identify fair trading practices, integrity in word and actions, and general popularity as a member of the forum. I just feel that by degrading the checks and balances put in place to protect our community we open the door for more deceptive behavior as also out lined in this thread.
Good luck with your Business, and the new Addition to your family, I wish you well, and I hope I am clear on my opinion!!!!!!
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You have chosen to do your business in an internet discussion forum. Do you see Paul Mottey, Joel Hercek, Tim Scruggs, etc, etc, here fighting with people? Why is that? You could choose the same route they do, if you'd prefer, but you haven't - you are a self-promoter on an internet DISCUSSION forum. You have no choice but to take the bad with the good, and there is some good in the form of $$$$.Varney Cues said:
This is the internet - this is where you, Kevin, play and sell, so this is where you will get people in your face, and this is where you will get in their face. All this 'meet in person' b.s. is just that. I agree with you - If I were a betting man, I would bet you would have a beer and enjoy a good talk, with almost anyone you've ever had a 'virtual' fight with here.Varney Cues said:
Varney Cues said:
I think everyone talks about rep too much.
Jazz said:Thou shall not use my name in vain
rofl good catch
Irish634 said:Though not likely to be taken seriously because I have a certain friendship, I'll post anyhow.
The board does have it's problems and I, like many others, would like to see some improvements made. I will do my part to help in that.
This thread started out very good until post number 4. That's where in my opinion the thread becomes a witch hunt against 1 person. Didn't take long did it?
The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person. The issues raise some valid concerns that should be brought up for discussion as a whole.
Let me say that again: The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person.
As a comment on post #4 and the subsequent backlash, if rep is to be taken so seriously as to be the gauge of credibility in this forum, I am going to pose the following observation:
A recent thread entitled "Look Here for Something Free" was all about giving FREE rep. Rep for doing nothing but posting in that thread. This thread has 123 replies and 2849 views, yet not one person felt the need to say anything against doing this? So, does that mean that EVERY member that posted in it, gave, and/or received rep is less credible because of it? When someone offers something for free and says (assumption here) "cool I can move up a few spots for the hell of it", it all of a sudden becomes a huge problem? Where is all the flack for those people in the "Look here" thread? Isn't "Hey give me rep & I'll give you rep back" the same thing?
Quite honestly, there are people on this board that have all 11 "greenies," yet I wouldn't stop to give the time of day to them. Just as I am sure some people feel the same about me. There are people that have rep because they always post humorous threads, there are people that have rep because they post political views, but does that mean they are credible enough to do business with? If you answer yes, think again. We all put our pants on one leg at a time (unless you wear a skirt
So, do we stop giving rep because we like a post? Do we stop giving rep because a post makes us laugh, or do we only give rep because that person is good to do business with? Many people, myself included, use this forum as a form of entertainment. I've only had 4 transactions here and NOT 1 rep point was given to me because it was a good transaction. If I remember correctly, most of my rep has been given to me because I posted something that someone found humorous or worthy of note. Does that make me credible to do business with? Is the guy that was collecting negative rep FOR FUN (sorry cant remember who) and has 11 reds, any less credible than the guy with 11 green?
Basically, I think there is entirely too much emphasis being put on "reputation points." Sure, it's nice that I have 11 greenies, I am humbled by the people that thought I wrote something worth giving it to me for. But in all honesty, what the hell does it mean? Is it so important that it is worth getting into an uproar about? I believe it means different things to different people.
As far as hype, sure I am guilty. EVERYONE is. Anything ANYBODY says positive about someone/something else is hype, like it or not. Anytime anyone recommends a cue, a case, a tip, chalk, etc, it's all hype. I can't vouch for anyone else on here, but if someone on this board asks for an opinion of an item , I am going to tell them about the item that I use and am happy with. I am not going to tell them about a product I have not tried/or owned. Just as most everyone on this board has, does or will do at one time or another.
We've had a battle of words or two, but 1pRoscoe once told me something that I think is very true and everyone should apply: "I take all positive and negative reviews with a grain of salt - simply because all of them are biased." I don't think there has been any better advice given than that. Now that I think about it, I don't think I gave Ross rep for that post
I urge everyone to learn from Ross' post as I have. I have recently written a review and no matter how hard I tried to be objective and post pictures to prove my honest opinion, I could not help but to reflect on Ross' comment. No matter how hard I tried, or what words I used in an attempt to be objective, I could not help but to think "Damn that Ross is right, it is biased." LOL.
The thing that I'd like to add to the list is that we allow people to post negatively and positively in the same thread, but in civility and not to let the post fall into a flame war, which is usually the case. But people need to remember Ross' post: "It's ALL biased." I'll add to that and say: It's ALL biased AND it's ALL hype." What one person is going to deem "hype," another person is going to deem as an honest opinion. No getting around that.
I'm still going to recommend the products I use and so is everyone else on this forum, but in the end it's still up to the consumer to wade through it all. If someone takes my honest opinion/recommendation "with a grain of salt" (damn Ross LOL) that is their right.
I am only commenting on these two topics in Manwon's OP as I don't feel I have enough trading experience to comment on the others.
Manwon has some good questions/concerns and has tried to get the thread back online in post #17. When any thread spirals into a blatant attack on someone else (no matter who it is), it makes it not worth reading. Though any thread that does this is sure to be the gossip of the day. People like to beat a good dead horse, choose sides, and argue until they are blue in the face, as seen in this very thread.
Maybe we can all visit the vBulletin (maker of the forum software) home page, read their forums, and come up with some positive suggestions as to how we can address some of the issues presented. http://www.vbulletin.com/
This is still the most widely recognized forum and an excellent place to come for information, cues, AND entertainment. In the end, the majority of what is posted here is opinion, and as such is neither right or wrong. All of the nonsense isn't going to stop, but we can all do our part to help curb it.
Thank you all for reading.
Regards,
Craig
You started off your post with the following statement(Though not likely to be taken seriously because I have a certain friendship, I'll post anyhow.) Like I have told you in private PM, this has never been about any one person. I also agree with many things you have said above.
However, I only partly agree with you statement here (As far as hype, sure I am guilty. EVERYONE is. Anything ANYBODY says positive about someone/something else is hype, like it or not. Anytime anyone recommends a cue, a case, a tip, chalk, etc, it's all hype. I can't vouch for anyone else on here, but if someone on this board asks for an opinion of an item , I am going to tell them about the item that I use and am happy with. I am not going to tell them about a product I have not tried/or owned. Just as most everyone on this board has, does or will do at one time or another.) When you say that anything said by anyone if hype, I totally disagree!!! It only becomes hype when we exaggerate the facts, in a manner that is deceptively used to influence the opinions of others. If you make a statement, based on the facts in your opinion, this is not hype, it is your belief. Lets face it a good product will receive all the valid credit that it is due, without exaggeration.
Thanks for your input, and have a great day!!!!!!!
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Craig,Irish634 said:Though not likely to be taken seriously because I have a certain friendship, I'll post anyhow.
The board does have it's problems and I, like many others, would like to see some improvements made. I will do my part to help in that.
This thread started out very good until post number 4. That's where in my opinion the thread becomes a witch hunt against 1 person. Didn't take long did it?
The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person. The issues raise some valid concerns that should be brought up for discussion as a whole.
Let me say that again: The issues raised in the original post are much bigger than the going after one person.
As a comment on post #4 and the subsequent backlash, if rep is to be taken so seriously as to be the gauge of credibility in this forum, I am going to pose the following observation:
A recent thread entitled "Look Here for Something Free" was all about giving FREE rep. Rep for doing nothing but posting in that thread. This thread has 123 replies and 2849 views, yet not one person felt the need to say anything against doing this? So, does that mean that EVERY member that posted in it, gave, and/or received rep is less credible because of it? When someone offers something for free and says (assumption here) "cool I can move up a few spots for the hell of it", it all of a sudden becomes a huge problem? Where is all the flack for those people in the "Look here" thread? Isn't "Hey give me rep & I'll give you rep back" the same thing?
Quite honestly, there are people on this board that have all 11 "greenies," yet I wouldn't stop to give the time of day to them. Just as I am sure some people feel the same about me. There are people that have rep because they always post humorous threads, there are people that have rep because they post political views, but does that mean they are credible enough to do business with? If you answer yes, think again. We all put our pants on one leg at a time (unless you wear a skirt
So, do we stop giving rep because we like a post? Do we stop giving rep because a post makes us laugh, or do we only give rep because that person is good to do business with? Many people, myself included, use this forum as a form of entertainment. I've only had 4 transactions here and NOT 1 rep point was given to me because it was a good transaction. If I remember correctly, most of my rep has been given to me because I posted something that someone found humorous or worthy of note. Does that make me credible to do business with? Is the guy that was collecting negative rep FOR FUN (sorry cant remember who) and has 11 reds, any less credible than the guy with 11 green?
Basically, I think there is entirely too much emphasis being put on "reputation points." Sure, it's nice that I have 11 greenies, I am humbled by the people that thought I wrote something worth giving it to me for. But in all honesty, what the hell does it mean? Is it so important that it is worth getting into an uproar about? I believe it means different things to different people.
As far as hype, sure I am guilty. EVERYONE is. Anything ANYBODY says positive about someone/something else is hype, like it or not. Anytime anyone recommends a cue, a case, a tip, chalk, etc, it's all hype. I can't vouch for anyone else on here, but if someone on this board asks for an opinion of an item , I am going to tell them about the item that I use and am happy with. I am not going to tell them about a product I have not tried/or owned. Just as most everyone on this board has, does or will do at one time or another.
We've had a battle of words or two, but 1pRoscoe once told me something that I think is very true and everyone should apply: "I take all positive and negative reviews with a grain of salt - simply because all of them are biased." I don't think there has been any better advice given than that. Now that I think about it, I don't think I gave Ross rep for that post
I urge everyone to learn from Ross' post as I have. I have recently written a review and no matter how hard I tried to be objective and post pictures to prove my honest opinion, I could not help but to reflect on Ross' comment. No matter how hard I tried, or what words I used in an attempt to be objective, I could not help but to think "Damn that Ross is right, it is biased." LOL.
The thing that I'd like to add to the list is that we allow people to post negatively and positively in the same thread, but in civility and not to let the post fall into a flame war, which is usually the case. But people need to remember Ross' post: "It's ALL biased." I'll add to that and say: It's ALL biased AND it's ALL hype." What one person is going to deem "hype," another person is going to deem as an honest opinion. No getting around that.
I'm still going to recommend the products I use and so is everyone else on this forum, but in the end it's still up to the consumer to wade through it all. If someone takes my honest opinion/recommendation "with a grain of salt" (damn Ross LOL) that is their right.
I am only commenting on these two topics in Manwon's OP as I don't feel I have enough trading experience to comment on the others.
Manwon has some good questions/concerns and has tried to get the thread back online in post #17. When any thread spirals into a blatant attack on someone else (no matter who it is), it makes it not worth reading. Though any thread that does this is sure to be the gossip of the day. People like to beat a good dead horse, choose sides, and argue until they are blue in the face, as seen in this very thread.
Maybe we can all visit the vBulletin (maker of the forum software) home page, read their forums, and come up with some positive suggestions as to how we can address some of the issues presented. http://www.vbulletin.com/
This is still the most widely recognized forum and an excellent place to come for information, cues, AND entertainment. In the end, the majority of what is posted here is opinion, and as such is neither right or wrong. All of the nonsense isn't going to stop, but we can all do our part to help curb it.
Thank you all for reading.
Regards,
Craig
I don't think I have ever responded to anything you have ever posted here but I must say this is one of the best posts that I have read on this forum.
Another thing I have never said before is "rep to you" but here I feel it is justified.
Good post man.
for me I buy from people who I have dealt with before if at all possible. I go into each new transaction with the knowledge that I may get screwed. Now I've got a little list of people that I will deal with, and can get most anything from them.
Those on the list are RSb-refugee, Jazz, MasonH, Tate (never dealt with him, but would), Manwon, Bamacues, Dukeboy1977 (think thats his name on here now), snowmon34, Bnall, (can drive to his house if he screws me on one of those great cases),1pRoscoe, runscott,mr2_serious, and Chrisonline. (I'm sure I'm leaving someone...ok like 10 people out...sorry I've got a bad memory sometimes and its a list I keep in my head for the good ones) Btw...qbilder and JoeyinCali as well go on here. Heck by the end of the night I'll have half of AZ on here *l*
I've sold to a lot of others, who I might buy from as well. There are others on here who I would consider, but I also have a large list of people I wouldn't buy from for one reason or another.
Most of the long term established members aren't going to screw you. There has been exceptions to this. Even members that have had 50 good deals can go bad and decide to screw someone. It has happened, and will again. I think if you approach every deal with the knowledge that its a risk then you will be ok. When in any doubt at all, and on higher end deals by all means escrow.
Those on the list are RSb-refugee, Jazz, MasonH, Tate (never dealt with him, but would), Manwon, Bamacues, Dukeboy1977 (think thats his name on here now), snowmon34, Bnall, (can drive to his house if he screws me on one of those great cases),1pRoscoe, runscott,mr2_serious, and Chrisonline. (I'm sure I'm leaving someone...ok like 10 people out...sorry I've got a bad memory sometimes and its a list I keep in my head for the good ones) Btw...qbilder and JoeyinCali as well go on here. Heck by the end of the night I'll have half of AZ on here *l*
I've sold to a lot of others, who I might buy from as well. There are others on here who I would consider, but I also have a large list of people I wouldn't buy from for one reason or another.
Most of the long term established members aren't going to screw you. There has been exceptions to this. Even members that have had 50 good deals can go bad and decide to screw someone. It has happened, and will again. I think if you approach every deal with the knowledge that its a risk then you will be ok. When in any doubt at all, and on higher end deals by all means escrow.
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cubswin said:
I'm going to give you a GREEN rep for listing me first .....
*** BUT ***
1) who the **** are you?
2) how do you give the greenies?
3) wait a minute, I'm on a list with dukeboy??????
Jazz <--- now looking to see how to give out RED ones for this guy, rapid fire
cubswin said:
Edited - I should not have made that comment. In hindsite, it implies that any of these guys might be a problem, and quite sincerely, the problems I had NEVER involved cheating anyone out of money or goods, and several guys on your list are GOOD friends and I talk with regularly.
So please forget I opened my big mouth.
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