Almost got air-barreled twice in one weekend

Get_A_Grip

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I'm not sure what is with these people, but I just realized this weekend that shooting an air-barrel must be much more common than I first thought.

In both cases, when the guys were paying me for the last game or set, I could clearly see how much (or little) money that they had with them ? because they both would take out their cash all together in their hands, and look through it to find the bill(s) to pay me.

I was playing the first guy for $20 a game 8-ball. (Although we started with playing my $20 versus his $15 ? but after he won one game I convinced him to play 20 to 20). After I was up $60 ? instead of paying me the last $20, he says, "Lets play double or nothing". That would have meant that he would have needed $80 more in his pocket if he lost (for the $20 he just lost and then another $60 if he lost again).

Luckily I told him that I prefer if he settles-up on the last game first ? so when he pays me the $20, I could clearly see that he only had $20 more left on him. So then I tell him that I want to play the same way ? for $20. Then when I win ? that's it, he quits (since he was out of money, of course).

Then last night, a guy that I've never played (but heard about before) sees me gambling cheap with someone (and losing, since the guy I was playing ran 4 racks and then had an 8-ball break) ? so he asks me to gamble with him. We play a race to 3 for $40?.and after being up 2-0, the wheels come off and he takes it. We decide to play again, and he suggests playing the same way, but I convinced him to play the race to 3 for $60.

I won that set ? so he pulls $40 out right away (the $40 he just won from me) ? and then he starts searching around through a bunch of singles to find the third $20, and he's like, "I know that I have another $20 in here somewhere". So he gives me the $60, and then asks me to play one game for $100. Now maybe he had a separate stash of more money on him somewhere, but I didn't think so. I had to go play in the finals of the tournament that I was in, so I tell him that I will play him all he wants when I am done ? and then he just disappears. So I never did get to find out if he really had more money on him or not ? but I'm thinking not.

Actually, there was actually a third guy that wanted to gamble on Saturday after we both got knocked out of a different tournament. I was just about to play him, when I decided to ask around a little about him ? and two different people tell me not to play him, because he already owes a guy that was there $100 ? and that he hasn't paid him. After hearing that, I decided not to play him at all. So that's actually three different guys in one weekend that appeared to want to play for money that they didn't seem to have. I guess I must look like a real sucker or something, and they just don't think that they can lose if they play me ? I don't know. I'm definitely thinking of developing a new and even more "cautious" outlook when it comes to playing for money in the future.
 
Maybe they just go to the atm when finished? Did you know these people? are they regulars in your pool hall?

I've played a lot of people who dont post up for low amounts like that and then when it's over they just go to the ATM.
 
cubc said:
Maybe they just go to the atm when finished? Did you know these people? are they regulars in your pool hall?

I've played a lot of people who dont post up for low amounts like that and then when it's over they just go to the ATM.

I didn't know any of the guys -- I only knew "of" one of the guys and knew that he was a good player. There was no ATM where we were at, and I'm not sure that it would be a good idea to let them leave the building without paying -- but maybe that's just me :D
 
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I dont play much anymore and am matched up even less, so when I finally did get out to play pool last week it was something I looked forward to all day. So I get to the tournament (local 8ball tourny close to my house) and I ended up matching up playing 1p with a local. Started at 20gm and then went to 40 with me being stuck most of the night. I ended up playing good near the last third of our session and ended up winning 320. No so fast...turns out I got airbarrelled. My opponent gives me $40 and his cue ( a decent 4 point Espiritu with Ivory inlays and silver rings. I got his number and we are suppose to trade cash for cue sometime when he gets his finances in order.

I hate getting air shot at me. A buddy of mine told me I should have been offering the cue for sale in the room right away...lol hes brutal.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I didn't know any of the guys -- I only knew "of" one of the guys and knew that he was a good player. There was no ATM where we were at, and I'm not sure that it would be a good idea to let them leave the building without paying -- but maybe that's just me :D

Oh thats a little different then :)

It's been awhile since I've played anywhere that didnt have an ATM inside. I think you're right.
 
Simple solution - "show me the money!"

Have'em pull out the amount in question and *prove* they have it before play starts. "Trust, but verify", as that saying goes.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I'm not sure what is with these people, but I just realized this weekend that shooting an air-barrel must be much more common than I first thought.

In both cases, when the guys were paying me for the last game or set, I could clearly see how much (or little) money that they had with them ? because they both would take out their cash all together in their hands, and look through it to find the bill(s) to pay me.

I was playing the first guy for $20 a game 8-ball. (Although we started with playing my $20 versus his $15 ? but after he won one game I convinced him to play 20 to 20). After I was up $60 ? instead of paying me the last $20, he says, "Lets play double or nothing". That would have meant that he would have needed $80 more in his pocket if he lost (for the $20 he just lost and then another $60 if he lost again).

Luckily I told him that I prefer if he settles-up on the last game first ? so when he pays me the $20, I could clearly see that he only had $20 more left on him. So then I tell him that I want to play the same way ? for $20. Then when I win ? that's it, he quits (since he was out of money, of course).

Then last night, a guy that I've never played (but heard about before) sees me gambling cheap with someone (and losing, since the guy I was playing ran 4 racks and then had an 8-ball break) ? so he asks me to gamble with him. We play a race to 3 for $40?.and after being up 2-0, the wheels come off and he takes it. We decide to play again, and he suggests playing the same way, but I convinced him to play the race to 3 for $60.

I won that set ? so he pulls $40 out right away (the $40 he just won from me) ? and then he starts searching around through a bunch of singles to find the third $20, and he's like, "I know that I have another $20 in here somewhere". So he gives me the $60, and then asks me to play one game for $100. Now maybe he had a separate stash of more money on him somewhere, but I didn't think so. I had to go play in the finals of the tournament that I was in, so I tell him that I will play him all he wants when I am done ? and then he just disappears. So I never did get to find out if he really had more money on him or not ? but I'm thinking not.

Actually, there was actually a third guy that wanted to gamble on Saturday after we both got knocked out of a different tournament. I was just about to play him, when I decided to ask around a little about him ? and two different people tell me not to play him, because he already owes a guy that was there $100 ? and that he hasn't paid him. After hearing that, I decided not to play him at all. So that's actually three different guys in one weekend that appeared to want to play for money that they didn't seem to have. I guess I must look like a real sucker or something, and they just don't think that they can lose if they play me ? I don't know. I'm definitely thinking of developing a new and even more "cautious" outlook when it comes to playing for money in the future.


Where are you playing at in Wisconsin?
 
ScottW said:
Simple solution - "show me the money!"

Have'em pull out the amount in question and *prove* they have it before play starts. "Trust, but verify", as that saying goes.

I've never gambled, but I've certainly read enough threads here on the AZ to KNOW to post up the money before the games begin.

Why even let yourself have to worry about it?
 
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ScottW said:
Simple solution - "show me the money!"

Have'em pull out the amount in question and *prove* they have it before play starts. "Trust, but verify", as that saying goes.

I accept cash, check, major forms of credit card, and worst case cues. I also hardly ever gamble with someone I don't know unless I see money changing hands. If I play someone and win all they have on them, as you were, and they try to play one more game on an air barrell I don't care. I usually won't even make them owe me. If I'm winning free money I don't mind giving them a crack at 1 barrell on the house (of course this depends on the attitude of my opponent and the size of the wager).
 
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If you don't post in advance, you are almost asking for it. When you agree on the bet, just take the cash out of your own pocket and put it up on the light as though it was the most natural thing in the world to do (which it should be).

If questioned, just say you always post and always check racks...no offense...that's just the way I was taught.

Anyone who has a problem with that either doesn't have the money and/or intends to plug rack you at a crucial time....or is a jerk in which case you don't want the match anyway.

Regards,
Jim
 
Fatboy said:
AWALYS post!!!!
QFMFT!!!!!

I have been playing pool for ~3 years, right now no joke I have easily over $5k in the air because I was stupid enough to not have it posted, a few hundred here a few hundred there, mostly games that started at $5 a game 9ball or $20 a game 1P.
Let's not get into the money I've lent out in the pool hall that hasn't been paid back yet :o

Well, on the bright side, like all the people who stiff me say -- "As long as I owe you you'll never be broke" :D

POST!!!!! ALWAYS!!!!! People are scum!
 
One thing I have learned is that after people see you jack up a couple of guys that shoot air at you the air barrels become a very rare occurence.

Although this is not the best way to stay out of trouble I have found it to be extremely effective. As of this minute i have one guy that owes me 60 that I loaned him after I put Henn on him and busted him. I am straight with everybody else.
 
PROG8R said:
Where are you playing at in Wisconsin?

Well, in this case I was playing at the PLAV in downtown Kenosha. There were four end of the pool league tournaments for BCA and Sam's Amusement going on. I have a table at home, and hear that Classic Billiards has closed (until new location is found) and Boomers in Racine is apparently closing soon too.
 
av84fun said:
If you don't post in advance, you are almost asking for it. When you agree on the bet, just take the cash out of your own pocket and put it up on the light as though it was the most natural thing in the world to do (which it should be).

If questioned, just say you always post and always check racks...no offense...that's just the way I was taught.

Anyone who has a problem with that either doesn't have the money and/or intends to plug rack you at a crucial time....or is a jerk in which case you don't want the match anyway.

Regards,
Jim
when ringling brothers comes to town they begin by putting up.
you're exactaly right, either they don't have it or they don't intend to pay.
i say put up? they say no reason to,we both have money. i say if we both have money no reason not to!
 
Fatboy said:
AWALYS post!!!!

To be honest with you, for anything less than $100 -- I'm not too concerned about posting. Especially if the gambling is in a place where there are lots of people watching and aware of the match. The highest that I've played per game has been $100 -- and in that case we both posted before each game.
 
good move

Just assuming things will be done the right way works wonders. Hard for somebody not to post when you just did.

Hu



av84fun said:
If you don't post in advance, you are almost asking for it. When you agree on the bet, just take the cash out of your own pocket and put it up on the light as though it was the most natural thing in the world to do (which it should be).

If questioned, just say you always post and always check racks...no offense...that's just the way I was taught.

Anyone who has a problem with that either doesn't have the money and/or intends to plug rack you at a crucial time....or is a jerk in which case you don't want the match anyway.

Regards,
Jim
 
Toothpick into a Lumberyard!

Get_A_Grip said:
I'm not sure what is with these people, but I just realized this weekend that shooting an air-barrel must be much more common than I first thought.

In both cases, when the guys were paying me for the last game or set, I could clearly see how much (or little) money that they had with them ? because they both would take out their cash all together in their hands, and look through it to find the bill(s) to pay me.

I was playing the first guy for $20 a game 8-ball. (Although we started with playing my $20 versus his $15 ? but after he won one game I convinced him to play 20 to 20). After I was up $60 ? instead of paying me the last $20, he says, "Lets play double or nothing". That would have meant that he would have needed $80 more in his pocket if he lost (for the $20 he just lost and then another $60 if he lost again).

Luckily I told him that I prefer if he settles-up on the last game first ? so when he pays me the $20, I could clearly see that he only had $20 more left on him. So then I tell him that I want to play the same way ? for $20. Then when I win ? that's it, he quits (since he was out of money, of course).

Then last night, a guy that I've never played (but heard about before) sees me gambling cheap with someone (and losing, since the guy I was playing ran 4 racks and then had an 8-ball break) ? so he asks me to gamble with him. We play a race to 3 for $40?.and after being up 2-0, the wheels come off and he takes it. We decide to play again, and he suggests playing the same way, but I convinced him to play the race to 3 for $60.

I won that set ? so he pulls $40 out right away (the $40 he just won from me) ? and then he starts searching around through a bunch of singles to find the third $20, and he's like, "I know that I have another $20 in here somewhere". So he gives me the $60, and then asks me to play one game for $100. Now maybe he had a separate stash of more money on him somewhere, but I didn't think so. I had to go play in the finals of the tournament that I was in, so I tell him that I will play him all he wants when I am done ? and then he just disappears. So I never did get to find out if he really had more money on him or not ? but I'm thinking not.

Actually, there was actually a third guy that wanted to gamble on Saturday after we both got knocked out of a different tournament. I was just about to play him, when I decided to ask around a little about him ? and two different people tell me not to play him, because he already owes a guy that was there $100 ? and that he hasn't paid him. After hearing that, I decided not to play him at all. So that's actually three different guys in one weekend that appeared to want to play for money that they didn't seem to have. I guess I must look like a real sucker or something, and they just don't think that they can lose if they play me ? I don't know. I'm definitely thinking of developing a new and even more "cautious" outlook when it comes to playing for money in the future.


Well the three guy's you just descrbed are everywhere, "LQQKing to turn a toothpick into a lumberyard!"...(can't blame a guy for that )......but you actually never did get airbarreled, but "rep" to you for being able to see through the "scheme of things" to know that your $ was really in a bad spot!

As the Old Sayin' goes "money on the wood makes the betting good!",
so it's best to "PostUp the $"


David Harcrow
 
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