Amazing Shot!! Explain this!!!

Only thing that makes sense to me is the ball he hit as his cueball is lighter than the red.
 
bud green said:
Only thing that makes sense to me is the ball he hit as his cueball is lighter than the red.
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Almost certainly. There are several possibilities. The red ball is the larger Korean red ball. The cue ball is a pool ball. One of the balls has been doctored. Probably the cue ball has been waxed or the cloth is new to increase the amount of recoil.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Almost certainly. There are several possibilities. The red ball is the larger Korean red ball. The cue ball is a pool ball. One of the balls has been doctored. Probably the cue ball has been waxed or the cloth is new to increase the amount of recoil.
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Yeah, Bob, it's gotta be the wax, there are no trick balls involved. Those are Aramith pros.
MULLY
 
Action/reaction. Cue ball bounces off red ball before spin takes over. Harder to do with the old ivories because they did not have the coefficient of restitution that plastic balls do.
 
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Jerseychris said:
Action/reaction. Cue ball bounces off red ball before spin takes over. Harder to do with the old ivories because they did not have the coefficient of restitution that plastic balls do.
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This can't happen if the cue ball is the same weight or heavier than the red ball. The best you can get with equal-weight balls is for the cue ball to stop dead.
 
IMHO; this may the closest to the correct answer so far, it looks to me the player is hitting the cue ball a little below center and slightly elevated. This can cause the cue ball to bounce back, before the natural forward motion takes hold on the NEW cloth!

Bill Smith "Mr3ushion"
 
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Bob Jewett said:
This can't happen if the cue ball is the same weight or heavier than the red ball. The best you can get with equal-weight balls is for the cue ball to stop dead.
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equal and opposing forces. if the mass is equal in both balls i dont think it can bounce back, then grab(to roll forward). the CB has to be lighter. Right?
 
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mr3cushion said:
IMHO; this may the closest to the correct answer so far, it looks to me the player is hitting the cue ball a little below center and slightly elevated. This can cause the cue ball to bounce back, before the natural forward motion takes hold on the NEW cloth!

Bill Smith "Mr3ushion"C
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Not if the balls are the same weight.
 
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Almost certainly. There are several possibilities. The red ball is the larger Korean red ball. The cue ball is a pool ball. One of the balls has been doctored. Probably the cue ball has been waxed or the cloth is new to increase the amount of recoil.

Yeah, Bob, it's gotta be the wax, there are no trick balls involved. Those are Aramith pros.
MULLY

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Bob; Did you NOT read the OP's reply
It's just common sense the cue ball is HIGHLY polished.

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
 
hmmmm, for me it looks like a high left follow shot. I believe that you guys have made similar shots a lot of time?!?! Good shot though:-).

There is a shot that Efren does on youtube that is showned a gazzilllllioon times, same shot but "different".

Just look at the cb and the reaction, not at the player, the outcome tells it.

Well I might be wrong of course - happened once before..... :p

Chrippa
 
mr3cushion said:
IMHO; this may the closest to the correct answer so far, it looks to me the player is hitting the cue ball a little below center and slightly elevated. This can cause the cue ball to bounce back, before the natural forward motion takes hold on the NEW cloth!

Bill Smith "Mr3ushion"C
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if he hit the CB a little below center how then does it take off forwards, you cant have it both ways, its either a hi ball(follow) center(might stun) below (draw), its one of he 3 its not possible to have 2 of the 3 which is what your saying .

i'm a horrible 3C player, I can run a 4 now and then, thats it. but i played pool for about 30 years and the principals of physics are the same. So I do have a understanding of that. Even if the CB was juiced to high heaven you still cant bounce back and go forwards WHEN the balls have the same mass.


there might be one exception if the elasticity of the CB was different than the OB then it might be possible. on the extreme think of a rubber ball, if you hit that with a high ball it would bounce back and then the english would grab. So if the CB is more elastic than the OB and both weigh the same then it could happen. In Pool the red circle CB weighs the same as a blue circle CB-take them outside stand over a piece of plate steel and drop them at the same time from the same height the red circle will always bounce higher. Its also easier to draw than the blue. however I have never seen it bounce back from a OB and then run forwards either.

so the balls have to be gaffed.
 
this thread should be moved so it gets more attention, its a very interesting topic and cool shot-no matter what. I'd like to see more discussion about it.
 
mr3cushion said:
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Bob; Did you not read the OP's reply?
It's just common sense the cue ball is highly polished.
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Yes, I did. Sometimes people are confused, misled and/or lied to. Polish makes the shot easier, but the shot is not possible unless the balls are of significantly different weights.

Can you do the shot with equal-weight balls? Note that when the cue ball hits the red ball it is just even with the other cue ball. The cue ball bounces back from the red more than a full ball to go around the other cue ball.

Practice up and bring lots of money, because I will bet on this. Let me know when you are ready. Use all the polish you need.
 
Bob, I'll ask the guy directly next time I see him to make sure, but, as it stands right now, these are regulation Aramith balls out of the box. No hokey pokey going on that I am aware of. This is why I posted it here for you guys.
MULLY
if it does turn out to be some sort of trickery I'll let you guys know. I know he won't lie to me.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Yes, I did. Sometimes people are confused, misled and/or lied to. Polish makes the shot easier, but the shot is not possible unless the balls are of significantly different weights.

Can you do the shot with equal-weight balls? Note that when the cue ball hits the red ball it is just even with the other cue ball. The cue ball bounces back from the red more than a full ball to go around the other cue ball.

Practice up and bring lots of money, because I will bet on this. Let me know when you are ready. Use all the polish you need.
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Bob; You should be looking for the man who made the shot in the video, not me I NEVER said I could make it.

But, if you want to put YOUR money where your mouth is to play some 3 Cushion, I'll be MORE than happy to play YOU for what ever you'd like to wager, SIR!

NOW, the balls in YOUR court, BOB!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

P.S. Your allowed to use ALL the science you want playing me!
 
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This thread gets more interesting every day. From my point of view, for two reasons: 1) Bob Jewett being no fool and THIS certain, and 2) A comment from a friend of mine who watched the video several times, and said: yes, can be done on very new cloth with new balls. That friend, being no fool and twice world champion artistic billiards Sander Jonen. To be continued, me thinks.
 
Fatboy said:
this thread should be moved so it gets more attention, its a very interesting topic and cool shot-no matter what. I'd like to see more discussion about it.
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I can't imagine why -- Mr2Cushion has already explained it.
 
Bert van Manen said:
This thread gets more interesting every day. From my point of view, for two reasons: 1) Bob Jewett being no fool and THIS certain, and 2) A comment from a friend of mine who watched the video several times, and said: yes, can be done on very new cloth with new balls. That friend, being no fool and twice world champion artistic billiards Sander Jonen. To be continued, me thinks.
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Hi Bert; Maybe when you speak to Sander, you can ask him to try the shot and video the outcome and post it on youtube.

Regards;
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
 
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