An American Pool Museum

JAM

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What would it take to build an American pool museum?

Unfortunately, the treachery of time brings forgetfulness, and some of pool’s greatest icons and their legacies are not well documented or archived for future generations of pool enthusiasts.

With the advent of modern technology, a pool museum could take the form of a website. The museum, if I may call it that, would invite its readers to embark on a journey, reinvigorating memory.

The interpretive components would be designed to address the entire range of the sport in the United States, allowing the readers to learn about the evolution of pocket billiards, American style. :D

Scrolling through the website, one would encounter a dropdown window looking like a vast encyclopedia of players’ names. As you move the mouse over a player’s name, a video montage of faces appear and slowly cycle through all of the men and women – road warriors, tournament soldiers, and the forgotten ones. The reader could access a Search window by typing in a time period, a player’s name, or other criteria.

On the left-hand side of the screen, a video montage could change every minute with the images of the faces and names. Words like "Strawberry,” “Minnesota Fats,” “Cornbread Red,” “Weenie Beanie,” “Wimpy,” and “St. Louis Louie” would appear. Then the images could provide a link offering short video clips of the player in the heat of the battle. It would be through these kinds of images and video clips that the legacy of the player could be communicated.

Another key component of an Internet pool museum would be to showcase a visual collection of artifacts. With a .jpeg file of Willie Mosconi’s cue stick, readers could learn about its dimensions, as an example. Displaying the artifacts of the American pool icons would create a profound visual opportunity to learn more about the champions of the sport.

Individual stories, eloquently written, could provide an historical context, and having a timeline would offer a valuable straightforward chronology and overview of pool in America.

It has been said that you need to touch the heart before you can touch the mind. Most pool players I know have a lot of heart! So I hope that this thread will invite input on how to create an actual Internet pool museum to preserve the history of the game that today we all love and enjoy.

Any suggestions? :p

JAM
 
Well first you would need money,lol.I think Brunswick would be a good candidate and then perhaps a few of the other big supporters of pool.I am sure alot of things could be donated to the museum from cuemakers and manufacturers,it would be a good idea but dont think it will ever happen sadly.:(
 
Fast Lenny said:
Well first you would need money,lol.I think Brunswick would be a good candidate and then perhaps a few of the other big supporters of pool.I am sure alot of things could be donated to the museum from cuemakers and manufacturers,it would be a good idea but dont think it will ever happen sadly.:(

Most of pool's industry members are already stretched to the limit. :(

I'd prefer the pool museum to be more of a non-profit entity.

What I am envisioning is an Internet pool museum. The donations, gifts, or contributions would be given electronically. ;)

As far the cost of creating a website, maintenance, and ongoing costs, that isn't my bailiwick, but I think an Internet pool museum is more doable than an actual physical one. :p

JAM
 
I was thinking more along the lines of an INTERNET electronic website as the pool museum. Not a physical structure at a designated place, but rather, a link.

Maybe "museum" is not the right word. :o

JAM
 
JAM said:
I was thinking more along the lines of an INTERNET electronic website as the pool museum. Not a physical structure at a designated place, but rather, a link.

Maybe "museum" is not the right word. :o

JAM

I think the Internet Museum of American Pool is a really neat idea Jenny. Electronic donations are easier to get than actual items. I am also impressed with the way you presented your ideas.
Purdman :p
 
Purdman said:
I think the Internet Museum of American Pool is a really neat idea Jenny. Electronic donations are easier to get than actual items. I am also impressed with the way you presented your ideas.

I agree that electronic donations are obtainable, with a little followthrough. :)

A website dedicated to American pool is the direction I would like to take it. The above-referenced could be interpreted as an initial draft "business plan," and with input from a variety of subject-matter experts, the possibilities are endless.

I seem to recall that the Smithsonian has some pool artifacts tucked away in a basement, or at least that is what I was told. About 15 years ago, somebody had said there was a temporary exhibit set up, but apparently, it didn't attract much interest because it hasn't been back since. :(

An Internet American Pool Museum website provides "immediate gratification" and easy access and would reach more people than a physical structure. Development through completion would require a lot of dedication and time, but if done correctly, I could envision it as a valuable resource. Each month, a feature player could be profiled and/or interviewed, inviting the readers to keep coming back. :p

JAM
 
What an outstanding idea JAM ! Unfortunately all I can contribute is my moral support, but I'm sure that many here are capable of contributing images and descriptions of people and events. Heck, one would have a pretty good start just using the material that has been presented here by our more, um, venerable members (didn't want to say "old" ..... oops ;) ), assuming proper permissions.

Keep promoting this idea JAM, many would love to see it on-line.

Dave
 
Jam,

I absolutely love your idea. Maybe it's just because I'm a history buff in general, but I think pool would really benefit from something like you suggested. I know it's been a lot of work on my part to learn all that I know about the history of the game. Being fairly young I didn't get to see hardly anything first hand. I think the person to contact that would be helpful with this would be Mike Shamos. Reading his books is how I learned what I know (not much lol). I would love to participate in something like this even if it just meant helping write or transcribing stories into a narrative.
 
An Opportunity for Brunswick or Diamond or ???

Great idea, JAM!

The toughest part, I think, would be finding someone to build it and maintain it. Seems to me that one of the larger companies in the industry would be well-served by hosting it. Kind of a community service type of thing. It could be a collateral duty for an employee already in a position that requires computer savvy.

You laid out your vision of the site very well. Why not propose it to a number of companies and see if any of them is willing to take on the challenge? To be successful, I think it would be important that they NOT over-commercialize the site with ads. Keep it classy. There could be a single link to their commercial website as a carrot.

It would be a shame to let the wonderful stories about players and events fade into oblivion as the older pool players who can relate first-hand accounts die off.

George in Alexandria, VA
 
Go for it, JAM!

JAM said:
What would it take to build an American pool museum?

Unfortunately, the treachery of time brings forgetfulness, and some of pool’s greatest icons and their legacies are not well documented or archived for future generations of pool enthusiasts.

With the advent of modern technology, a pool museum could take the form of a website. The museum, if I may call it that, would invite its readers to embark on a journey, reinvigorating memory.

The interpretive components would be designed to address the entire range of the sport in the United States, allowing the readers to learn about the evolution of pocket billiards, American style. :D

Scrolling through the website, one would encounter a dropdown window looking like a vast encyclopedia of players’ names. As you move the mouse over a player’s name, a video montage of faces appear and slowly cycle through all of the men and women – road warriors, tournament soldiers, and the forgotten ones. The reader could access a Search window by typing in a time period, a player’s name, or other criteria.

On the left-hand side of the screen, a video montage could change every minute with the images of the faces and names. Words like "Strawberry,” “Minnesota Fats,” “Cornbread Red,” “Weenie Beanie,” “Wimpy,” and “St. Louis Louie” would appear. Then the images could provide a link offering short video clips of the player in the heat of the battle. It would be through these kinds of images and video clips that the legacy of the player could be communicated.

Another key component of an Internet pool museum would be to showcase a visual collection of artifacts. With a .jpeg file of Willie Mosconi’s cue stick, readers could learn about its dimensions, as an example. Displaying the artifacts of the American pool icons would create a profound visual opportunity to learn more about the champions of the sport.

Individual stories, eloquently written, could provide an historical context, and having a timeline would offer a valuable straightforward chronology and overview of pool in America.

It has been said that you need to touch the heart before you can touch the mind. Most pool players I know have a lot of heart! So I hope that this thread will invite input on how to create an actual Internet pool museum to preserve the history of the game that today we all love and enjoy.

Any suggestions? :p

JAM
JAM, I really like your idea and have a couple of thoughts for you. First, as others have suggested and as you, I’m sure, realize, significant and stable funding is a must. Salaries for a professional webmaster and a “museum” Director are needed, at a minimum. I don’t know who the best candidates for funding would be, but Billiards Digest, Brunswick, and the BCA come to mind. I guess we can leave the IPT off that list?

Secondly, there are some materials for the museum that already exist online and could be linked to the museum site. Materials that come to mind are; 1) the great interviews with pool legends on the OnePocket.org site, 2) various photo galleries, including the one Mike Haines and I have on tournaments from 1980-1986, and 3) the Accu-Stats videos of pool matches going back through the years. I don’t know what kind of deal could be worked out with Accu-Stats, but they may be willing to provide brief cuts from many of the matches in their archives. Mike and I would certainly be willing to contribute the audio interviews we did at the 1980 Rocky Mountain Open. Then there are all the videos that have been uploaded to YouTube. And how about the materials that have been collected by Mike Shamos?

I hereby elect you as the point person to collect ideas such as the ones above and present them to businesses/organizations who may be willing to fund the project. I’m really looking forward to the grand opening of the American Pool Museum!
 
There is available data that exists today which will be a great start, but poring through it will be slow-going. It is important to determine the authenticity or veracity of data, and it will need to be examined thoroughly.

Each donor should be recognized for their contribution, whether it be pictures, video clips or printed matter.

I would like to see a committee of subject-matter experts formed. My expertise could be inputting the data with my 150-plus WPM typing speed, once it is approved by the committee. :p

I received a few e-mails about this thread, providing some great leads about how to make a website of an American Pool Museum become a reality. I appreciate all of the encouraging words and helpful suggestions that have come forth. :)

JAM
 
Why not do it here on AZbilliards as another forum or archive.

Donations could be made to get it off the ground.

I know I'd contribute if needed.
 
BillPorter said:
JAM, I really like your idea and have a couple of thoughts for you. First, as others have suggested and as you, I’m sure, realize, significant and stable funding is a must. Salaries for a professional webmaster and a “museum” Director are needed, at a minimum.

I was hoping it could be a non-profit venure, but I'm a Pisces, and we think like that! :o

BillPorter said:
I don’t know who the best candidates for funding would be, but Billiards Digest, Brunswick, and the BCA come to mind. I guess we can leave the IPT off that list?

If a committee was elected and it was determined that funding would be needed, then I guess it would have to come in the form of grants.

As far as Billiards Digest for funding and/or a grant, they're existing inside the industry and have enough on their platter. A contribution of data, though, would be something worthy of pursuit! :D

Brunswick is also inside the industry. I don't even think you could approach them unless the thing was already up and running. However, they might have some interesting historic artifacts worthy of photographs. They sure have been around for a long time! :p

The BCA, I am sure has excellent data, and they sure do have a good website. :)

BillPorter said:
Secondly, there are some materials for the museum that already exist online and could be linked to the museum site. Materials that come to mind are; 1) the great interviews with pool legends on the OnePocket.org site, 2) various photo galleries, including the one Mike Haines and I have on tournaments from 1980-1986, and 3) the Accu-Stats videos of pool matches going back through the years. I don’t know what kind of deal could be worked out with Accu-Stats, but they may be willing to provide brief cuts from many of the matches in their archives. Mike and I would certainly be willing to contribute the audio interviews we did at the 1980 Rocky Mountain Open. Then there are all the videos that have been uploaded to YouTube. And how about the materials that have been collected by Mike Shamos?

Lots of great suggestions, to include prospective donations by you! :)

BillPorter said:
I hereby elect you as the point person to collect ideas such as the ones above and present them to businesses/organizations who may be willing to fund the project. I’m really looking forward to the grand opening of the American Pool Museum!

I think a website with this type of information is long overdue. I was thinking about this project when I recently was trying to find a snippet of pool info. There ain't too many places to go. The printed media only goes so far back, and they are a godsend to a project like this. There are various elements within the American pool culture that don't have too much of a printed record. A lot of it is word of mouth! :(

JAM
 
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JAM said:
I was hoping it could be a non-profit venure, but I'm a Pisces, and we think like that! :o



If a committee was elected and it was determined that funding would be needed, then I guess it would have to come in the form of grants.

As far as Billiards Digest for funding and/or a grant, they're existing inside the industry and have enough on their platter. A contribution of data, though, would be something worthy of pursuit! :D

Brunswick is also inside the industry. I don't even think you could approach them unless the thing was already up and running. However, they might have some interesting historic artifacts worthy of photographs. They sure have been around for a long time! :p

The BCA, I am sure has excellent data, and they sure do have a good website. :)



Lots of great suggestions, to include prospective donations by you! :)



I think a website with this type of information is long overdue. I was thinking about this project when I recently was trying to find a snippet of pool info. There ain't too many places to go. The printed media only goes so far back, and they are a godsend to a project like this. There are various elements within the American pool culture that don't have too much of a printed record. A lot of it is word of mouth! :(

JAM

Here are a couple of sample pages I did on my site that are kind of in this manner:


http://www.palmercollector.com/RoodPage.html


http://www.palmercollector.com/Model20KerryPage.html

The focus should be pool player biographies and stories. Hustler and tournament players alike. Also you have promoters, like Jay Helfert. At least the cue makers and collectors have the Blue Book and Billiards Encyclopedia.

It would take some time, some expense, and a lot of material contributions from player stories.

Chris
 
TATE said:
Here are a couple of sample pages I did on my site that are kind of in this manner:


http://www.palmercollector.com/RoodPage.html

Those pages are really GREAT. WOW!


TATE said:

Well, the story on this page captured my attention! :D Man, I'd sure like to see the cue he got from Keith with the inlays!:p

TATE said:
The focus should be pool player biographies and stories. Hustler and tournament players alike. Also you have promoters, like Jay Helfert. At least the cue makers and collectors have the Blue Book and Billiards Encyclopedia.

Your pages were very well laid out, giving the reader an opportunity to catch a glimpse of the past via the journey of those beautiful cue sticks!

Great ideas, and thank so much for sharing! :)

JAM
 
JAM said:
What would it take to build an American pool museum?

Unfortunately, the treachery of time brings forgetfulness, and some of pool’s greatest icons and their legacies are not well documented or archived for future generations of pool enthusiasts.
......
Any suggestions? :p

JAM

Dear JAM:

Your idea is a great one. Imho here are a few people you should talk to after you have the blueprints ready:

Mr. Mike Shamos - The curator of The Billiard Archive, a non-profit organization preserving the history of pool, billiards and snooker.
http://www.blindcycle.co.uk/web/the_billiard_archive.php#

He is also the author of The New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards and many other great books ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/s...s&index=books&field-author=Michael Ian Shamos )

Mr. Victor Stein and Mr Paul Rubino - The authors of Billiard Encyclopedia, a book that is packed with vivid information about pool history.
http://www.billiardencyclopedia.com/flash.htm

These are just my 2 cents. Good luck with the project :)
 
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