An appropriate apology:

WheatCues said:
Guy's this isn't some big mystery, and I'm not alone on this I get phone calls from guys who don't want to post regarding this matter becasue they dont want to be gangraped....!

I do know what I'm talking about and there isn't any magic in it when it comes to the "hit" of a cue becasue this is what I focus my entire cuemaking around... "playablility" I give you your favorite hit !

Why is that so hard for everone to believe ????
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Eddie, will you please stop writing as if everyone who is reading is against you and doesn't believe you.

This forum is about sharing. The moment that any poster comes on the board with this idea that they're going to "teach the board," then those new posters come off as a$$holes who aren't giving the board any credit.

If you want to "teach about cuemaking," please go try to do it on the cuemakers forum. You'll find that you (yes you, Mr. Wheat) could stand to learn something from them. Likewise, you probably have stuff that they would be happy to learn.

But, my goodness man, do you actually believe that most of us don't understand about playability? That's pretty insulting.

Fred
 
WheatCues said:
It doesn;'t matter to me who made the cue, I don't care !


All I have to do is hit a few balls with it and I WILL replicate the hit !


Guy's this isn't some big mystery, and I'm not alone on this I get phone calls from guys who don't want to post regarding this matter becasue they dont want to be gangraped....

The hit is 90% in the shaft, which includes density, taper, ferrule, tip... the other 10% is comprised of the joint pin and the joint collar, and the wood the forearm is made from !!!

The butt of the cue is for comfort the playabilty of the cue lies in the shaft !

I swear on my 16 yr old daughter's life that this is 100% correct !

I do know what I'm talking about and there isn't any magic in it when it comes to the "hit" of a cue becasue this is what I focus my entire cuemaking around... "playablility" I give you your favorite hit !

Why is that so hard for everone to believe ???? I didn't start building cues last night, I have alot of research and testing under my belt and just becasue I haven't gone mainstream "yet" doesn't make my points any less valid !

I know we started off on the wrong foot, but let it go ! "can't we all just get along" ???

I am making an effort here to be a part of this very interesting and intriguing group and wouold appreciate the same positive remarks as the negative ones you have displayed !


oh, and one more thing, I do not play with a pred. shaft anymore, I did replicate the taper and the ferrule and the same tip and after weeks of playing with it the tests are now concluded !!! I cant see any noticable difference with my shaft verse predorts playability except on mabey 1 shot a rack there is a slight noise variance and a couple of speed control points compromised !

Finally someone noticed that I have a pred. shaft on my cue ! now that this hads ben validated it opened the door for this response just to prove a point !

honestly, as detailed of a person as I am from what you have seen in my posts " so you honestly think I didn't notice my own sigature?" I have a good reason behinfd why did that and I just gave it to you, becasue now it's a focal point for a post, and if I just brought it up no one would have dignified it ! and I will change it soon... i'm just in no hurry becasue I wanted to see how long it took someone to notice it !


The is a method to my madness !!!!




Thanks, Eddie
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oh, and one more thing about the pred shaft.... obviousy I can't replicate it's physical properties becasue its a laminated shaft, so the playability can only be copied so much... but the hit is exactly the same !

I just wanted clarify that before someone took that the wrong way and went of on a unneccesary tangent !

I like the pred 314. I played wtih it for years... it is what it is !!!


thanks, Eddie Wheat
 
Cornerman said:
Eddie, will you please stop writing as if everyone who is reading is against you and doesn't believe you.

This forum is about sharing. The moment that any poster comes on the board with this idea that they're going to "teach the board," then those new posters come off as a$$holes who aren't giving the board any credit.

If you want to "teach about cuemaking," please go try to do it on the cuemakers forum. You'll find that you (yes you, Mr. Wheat) could stand to learn something from them. Likewise, you probably have stuff that they would be happy to learn.

But, my goodness man, do you actually believe that most of us don't understand about playability? That's pretty insulting.

Fred
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My dear sir...... I'm am not a teacher, professor or instructor by any means....

I'm just offering my opinions and advice the same as you just did.. only more indepthly...

I mean no harm !!!!


- Eddie Wheat
 
You can duplicate a 314....

WheatCues said:
oh, and one more thing about the pred shaft.... obviousy I can't replicate it's physical properties becasue its a laminated shaft, so the playability can only be copied so much... but the hit is exactly the same !

I just wanted clarify that before someone took that the wrong way and went of on a unneccesary tangent !

I like the pred 314. I played wtih it for years... it is what it is !!!


thanks, Eddie Wheat
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The laminated wood wood is just to help eliminate warping, I don't know that it does much beyond that... The "secret" to predators is easily duplicated, you just drill a hole in the front of the shaft and fill it with foam and put a thin ferrule on it...viola, a predator 314..... Low end mass= low deflection and low squirt...
 
Cornerman said:
Eddie, will you please stop writing as if everyone who is reading is against you and doesn't believe you.

This forum is about sharing. The moment that any poster comes on the board with this idea that they're going to "teach the board," then those new posters come off as a$$holes who aren't giving the board any credit.

If you want to "teach about cuemaking," please go try to do it on the cuemakers forum. You'll find that you (yes you, Mr. Wheat) could stand to learn something from them. Likewise, you probably have stuff that they would be happy to learn.

But, my goodness man, do you actually believe that most of us don't understand about playability? That's pretty insulting.

Fred
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Fred,

No sir I do not believe that you don't understand playablilty, but I do believe that it's not emphasized enough, becasue if it was then no one would spend 2000.00 on art if playability was the main focus....

I'm not saying don't buy art, we all of love pretty things including me... but for cyring out loud your cue is a tool, not a decoration you would hang on your wall...

Of course you can have the art and playabilty too, but what I'm trying to get across, is that there should be a realistic price put on a pretty tool !



- Eddie Wheat
 
Replicate....replicate...replicate....replicate

WheatCues said:
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obviousy I can't replicate it's physical properties
thanks, Eddie Wheat
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Well, I've read this entire thread and you're making ME replicate last night's sausage & eggs all over the floor.
Doug
( I'm about to replicate in my mouth )
 
WheatCues said:
Fred,

No sir I do not believe that you don't understand playablilty, but I do believe that it's not emphasized enough, becasue if it was then no one would spend 2000.00 on art if playability was the main focus....

I'm not saying don't buy art, we all of love pretty things including me... but for cyring out loud your cue is a tool, not a decoration you would hang on your wall...

Of course you can have the art and playabilty too, but what I'm trying to get across, is that there should be a realistic price put on a pretty tool !



- Eddie Wheat
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Certainly you're simply not giving people enough credit. There is a small (very small) percentage of people who are so deluded in thinking they're going to get an increase in playability by spending more money.

If you start with the simply truth that people who buy $2000 cues know that they're not buying a better game, then maybe the rest of your posts might lead to more positive exchanges.

People do know better. I'm not sure why you're not believing that. We live in a time that spending $2000 isn't too terrible. And this forum doesn't represent that standard pool player, so more dollars are going to come out of these forums. It's conspicuous consumption. We know this. Don't focus on it, because it's pretty much a non-issue.

Fred
 
Jaden said:
The laminated wood wood is just to help eliminate warping, I don't know that it does much beyond that... The "secret" to predators is easily duplicated, you just drill a hole in the front of the shaft and fill it with foam and put a thin ferrule on it...viola, a predator 314..... Low end mass= low deflection and low squirt...
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interesting... I never even tried to attempt that considering the the spines are the only wood comprising the entire shaft.. I figured it would be a waste of time to even attempt....

If you don't mind, please give me a little more detail about what you did as far as boring and fillingwith polyfoam, also exactly how close did you replicate the playablity and is that including the same exact taper pattern ?

- Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
interesting... I never even tried to attempt that considering the the spines are the only wood comprising the entire shaft.. I figured it would be a waste of time to even attempt....

If you don't mind, please give me a little more detail about what you did as far as boring and fillingwith polyfoam, also exactly how close did you replicate the playablity and is that including the same exact taper pattern ?

- Eddie Wheat
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The idea of how the Predator shaft has a hole drilled several inches in the front tip end of the shaft is pretty well documented and discussed ad nauseum on these boards.

Several cuemakers have duplilcated the low squirt properties.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
The idea of how the Predator shaft has a hole drilled several inches in the front tip end of the shaft is pretty well documented and discussed ad nauseum on these boards.

Several cuemakers have duplilcated the low squirt properties.

Fred
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do you have a preferred link for me to follow regarding the detailed discussion of the particular aspect in question ????

or is it just under equipment forum ?


Thanks, Eddie Wheat
 
you Haven't Heard The Last From Me (unless Mr. Wilson steps in)

Cornerman said:
Several cuemakers have duplilcated the low squirt properties.

Fred
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Hell, I'm not even a cuemaker and I've got 'low squirt' down to an art form... imo
Doug
( I hope this Freds............but I fear it doesn't )
 
WheatCues said:
do you have a preferred link for me to follow regarding the detailed discussion of the particular aspect in question ????

or is it just under equipment forum ?


Thanks, Eddie Wheat
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I think you'll just have to do a search function. I mean, the discussion of the Predator technology and the merits of drilling a hole in the front has so many miles to it. We're talking about a subject that gets brought up every other month since 1996.

Several cuemakers have been threatened under law suit to cease making cues that copied the technology. Whether they had a real lawsuit didn't matter as most cuemakers couldn't possibly afford a legal battle.

Some cuemakers did in fact get some kind of permission to "drill the hole." The Schuler Cue company and the late Annie Mayes (AO Cues) were two.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I think you'll just have to do a search function. I mean, the discussion of the Predator technology and the merits of drilling a hole in the front has so many miles to it. We're talking about a subject that gets brought up every other month since 1996.

Several cuemakers have been threatened under law suit to cease making cues that copied the technology. Whether they had a real lawsuit didn't matter as most cuemakers couldn't possibly afford a legal battle.

Some cuemakers did in fact get some kind of permission to "drill the hole." The Schuler Cue company and the late Annie Mayes (AO Cues) were two.

Fred
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Thanks....

Infringement was always in the back of my mind becasue when I worked For aurora road billiard supplies in melbourne, fl. for 2 yrs back in early 2001 I got to know the dist. for predator cues since they are in jacksonville, very well and they are aware I build cues, so they already who I am if something like this was to ever become an issue !

So thank you very muck for your time and info. I will research it !


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
interesting... I never even tried to attempt that considering the the spines are the only wood comprising the entire shaft.. I figured it would be a waste of time to even attempt....

If you don't mind, please give me a little more detail about what you did as far as boring and fillingwith polyfoam, also exactly how close did you replicate the playablity and is that including the same exact taper pattern ?

- Eddie Wheat
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See, you learned something new today. :D
 
WheatCues said:
Thanks....

Infringement was always in the back of my mind becasue when I worked For aurora road billiard supplies in melbourne, fl. for 2 yrs back in early 2001 I got to know the dist. for predator cues since they are in jacksonville, very well and they are aware I build cues, so they already who I am if something like this was to ever become an issue !

So thank you very muck for your time and info. I will research it !


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.billiard/msg/6f13f7bdfacfe572?dmode=source

From the great cuemaker Thomas Wayne, this was one of the (if not the first) in depth description as to what Predator shafts were going after, and how they worked.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/sqrt.htm
This is a science heavy document on how squirt works, which has led to several cuemakers attempting to duplicate the Predator action without drilling the hole.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.billiard/msg/6f13f7bdfacfe572?dmode=source

From the great cuemaker Thomas Wayne, this was one of the (if not the first) in depth description as to what Predator shafts were going after, and how they worked.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/sqrt.htm
This is a science heavy document on how squirt works, which has led to several cuemakers attempting to duplicate the Predator action without drilling the hole.

Fred
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Thanks, for the lead !

Oh and Jay.... If I can't learn anything new on a daily basis than why even bother doing what I do....

I'm always wanting to learn, that's why I ask for eveyones' input, it gives me perspective from many different angles !

This is what forums are all about isn't it ????


Thanks Everyone !


- Eddie Wheat
 
Cornerman said:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.billiard/msg/6f13f7bdfacfe572?dmode=source

From the great cuemaker Thomas Wayne, this was one of the (if not the first) in depth description as to what Predator shafts were going after, and how they worked.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/sqrt.htm
This is a science heavy document on how squirt works, which has led to several cuemakers attempting to duplicate the Predator action without drilling the hole.

Fred
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Hey cornerman, very good links. Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed the reading.
 
actually I did the opposite....

WheatCues said:
interesting... I never even tried to attempt that considering the the spines are the only wood comprising the entire shaft.. I figured it would be a waste of time to even attempt....

If you don't mind, please give me a little more detail about what you did as far as boring and fillingwith polyfoam, also exactly how close did you replicate the playablity and is that including the same exact taper pattern ?

- Eddie Wheat
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I did the opposite... I don't like the feel and hit of low defelction tech, so I drilled out the foam core and replaced it with a new tenon and now it hits perfect as far as I'm concerned, but it shouldn't be too difficult ot just drill out a few inches leaving a thin tenon and place the ferrule over the top of the thin drilled out tenon after filling it with off the shelf foam insulation.... I don't know how close an approximation of hit you can get with it, but it might be worth a try....
 
Jaden said:
I did the opposite... I don't like the feel and hit of low defelction tech, so I drilled out the foam core and replaced it with a new tenon and now it hits perfect as far as I'm concerned, but it shouldn't be too difficult ot just drill out a few inches leaving a thin tenon and place the ferrule over the top of the thin drilled out tenon after filling it with off the shelf foam insulation.... I don't know how close an approximation of hit you can get with it, but it might be worth a try....
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I have heard other cuesmiths modifying the hit of the predator shafts by coring and inserting a wood tenon just as you have mentioned and they all seem pleased with the result as well as adding a different ferrule composition... but isn't that pretty much cancelling out the feel and playablility of shafts original intent ???


Or are you refering to a solid wood shaft modification ????


I'm a little confused here with multiple posts, and want to make sure I'm on the exact same page with you !



- Eddie
 
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