An introduction and the typical rookie question...

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Hello all,

I'd like to introduce myself

My name is Bob and I've played pool off and on for over 50 years. Having not had sufficient room for a table in Florida, I've been on a 16 year hiatus, but I've still got my original Brunswick Willie Hoppe Professional cue which I bought at 15, if memory serves, for c. $20. I'm now 64 and my wife and I are moving from Orlando to Denver.

I've had the unbelievable good fortune of locating and buying purportedly a one private owner, early edition, Brunswick nine foot drop pocket Anniversary which I found located right in my new back yard of downtown Denver. I've literally dreamt of owning this table since I first played on one in the very early 60's. We are currently building a townhome with an 800 sq. ft. unobstructed basement to accommodate the table. Most "modern" bowling facilities in the 60's had a dozen or so Anniversaries, and not being 18, I spent hours peering though the slats that divided off the bowling alley from the "Billiard Room". I won't even see the table 'til September, but my wife and daughter have, and even they say it's gorgeous, and for someone who doesn't share my love of the game, that's pretty impressive, so I'm very optimistic. Let's face facts; I'm soooo stoked I'm like a kid on Christmas eve!!!

I belong to various other forums on different topics, and I am going to try my best not to be the guy who comes on line to pick the experts' brains, and then has nothing to contribute, and is never seen again.

However, at best, I'm an advanced amateur, but I will try to participate as I am able; although my game and knowledge can't hold a candle to all of you.

Sooooo, I haven't a clue where to place this thread since it's an introduction, and I've touched on some brief pool history, and now the inevitable rookie question which everyone hates, and that's regarding basically three cues I'm considering, so here goes. Thanks for bearing with me here!

Being a product of the 60's, my cue tastes lean towards the very traditional. It's not that I don't appreciate all the skill and craftsmanship of the custom cues, it's just that I lean heavily towards a basic four point cue. I find many to look at, but as my eye travels downward, nearly all production cues can't seem to refrain from the decorative do dads and gingerbread. Even most Joss present very nicely, but there's almost always the inescapable ornate butt sleeve.

So, the obvious choice for me is a SP. That leaves me some nice choices, but to date I've always played with a smooth black leather wrap. I'm hoping as I am able to locate each of my choices locally and play with them, to convince myself to forego the necessity of any wrap whatsoever; but that may be a really tough sell.

I've narrowed down things to the Joss SP, ($317) one of the Predator Roadline not so sneaky petes, ($280 - $440) and since Schmelke ($400 - $450) has no problem adding a leather wrap to their cues, the Schmelke mid line R070. I'll be adding a 314/2 to whichever I choose, not that my game warrants it, but with a few months of practice I hope to get back to the playing level where applying English might improve my game. I just feel that an LD shaft will make my need for adjusting for squirt less of an ordeal to learn to deal with.

I see Joss has quite a loyal following here in the sub $500 price point, which by the way is my current limit. I see a loyal Predator fan base also. I would really like some solid first hand experience with how the Schmelke product holds up against the competition. The Schmelke gets up there in cost pretty quickly, since on a lot their cues, the LD shafts approach up to $275. The less expensive the cue, the more they charge for the upgraded LD shaft. It varies from $215 to $275.

I also know I should most likely buy a plain-Jane Player's brand cue, and practice, practice, and practice! It's just that after all this good fortune in my life, I really, really want to treat myself to a slightly upgraded cue and at least try the newer technologies regarding deflection. Also, if any of the artisans here can add a smooth black leather wrap to the Joss JOSSP pete, I would be most interested in speaking with you.

If you're still awake after reading all of this, I would sincerely appreciate your inputs.

Thanks a million! :smile:
 
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Welcome to the forum. I live in Denver also, and if you ever want to play some I like 9-ball and straight pool. We are lucky to have many great cue makers in Colorado, if you choose to have a cue built. If you are looking for a cue just to purchase, Joss cues do play very well and are affordable. If you are looking for places to play, I like Felt Billiards but we also have the Wynkoop, Hanks, and Rack 'em for big tables, and countless bar boxes all over.
 
Welcome to the forum Bob.

Good luck with your new table and your move from Florida. What a change at 64.
Keep in touch with us and tell us of your adventures.
 
For a cue, I would suggest going to Hank's in Denver.
Cuesblues posts on this forum and Measureman has mentioned that
'Cues' has got a lot of cues.....there's nothing like hitting with a cue
before you buy it.

..and welcome to the forum...anyone who likes Anniversaries is alright.
 
Welcome to the forum. I live in Denver also, and if you ever want to play some I like 9-ball and straight pool. We are lucky to have many great cue makers in Colorado, if you choose to have a cue built. If you are looking for a cue just to purchase, Joss cues do play very well and are affordable. If you are looking for places to play, I like Felt Billiards but we also have the Wynkoop, Hanks, and Rack 'em for big tables, and countless bar boxes all over.

At this point, I think I'm leaning toward to Joss sneaky pete. I called Joss directly and was told they couldn't add a leather wrap. I guess I'm hoping to get some clarification as to why this can't be done, or hopefully I might find a forum member/cue specialist who can add this smooth leather wrap. Thanks so much for the warm welcome!! :smile:
 
For a cue, I would suggest going to Hank's in Denver.
Cuesblues posts on this forum and Measureman has mentioned that
'Cues' has got a lot of cues.....there's nothing like hitting with a cue
before you buy it.

..and welcome to the forum...anyone who likes Anniversaries is alright.

Great lead PT. Our home won't be ready 'til September and I've gotta be out of our Orlando home in 30 days, so I'll have tons of time to try things out. Duly noted, and much appreciated, friend!
 
Welcome to the forum! The Anniversary is one of the great tables ever made both in style and playability. There are many threads in the 'Talk to a Mechanic' section concerning these tables and a search there will lead you toward being able to find the options and mechanics that can make it play it's best. As for cues, I think the Predator shaft sounds great, and I'd look at Joss, Mezz, or Schon to put it on-with Schmelke being a step or two behind those brands IMO. Good luck with your table!
 
SPs and LDs

Hello all,

I'd like to introduce myself

My name is Bob and I've played pool off and on for over 50 years. Having not had sufficient room for a table in Florida, I've been on a 16 year hiatus, but I've still got my original Brunswick Willie Hoppe Professional cue which I bought at 15, if memory serves, for c. $20. I'm now 64 and my wife and I are moving from Orlando to Denver.

I've had the unbelievable good fortune of locating and buying purportedly a one private owner, early edition, Brunswick nine foot drop pocket Anniversary which I found located right in my new back yard of downtown Denver. I've literally dreamt of owning this table since I first played on one in the very early 60's. We are currently building a townhome with an 800 sq. ft. unobstructed basement to accommodate the table. Most "modern" bowling facilities in the 60's had a dozen or so Anniversaries, and not being 18, I spent hours peering though the slats that divided off the bowling alley from the "Billiard Room". I won't even see the table 'til September, but my wife and daughter have, and even they say it's gorgeous, and for someone who doesn't share my love of the game, that's pretty impressive, so I'm very optimistic. Let's face facts; I'm soooo stoked I'm like a kid on Christmas eve!!!

I belong to various other forums on different topics, and I am going to try my best not to be the guy who comes on line to pick the experts' brains, and then has nothing to contribute, and is never seen again.

However, at best, I'm an advanced amateur, but I will try to participate as I am able; although my game and knowledge can't hold a candle to all of you.

Sooooo, I haven't a clue where to place this thread since it's an introduction, and I've touched on some brief pool history, and now the inevitable rookie question which everyone hates, and that's regarding basically three cues I'm considering, so here goes. Thanks for bearing with me here!

Being a product of the 60's, my cue tastes lean towards the very traditional. It's not that I don't appreciate all the skill and craftsmanship of the custom cues, it's just that I lean heavily towards a basic four point cue. I find many to look at, but as my eye travels downward, nearly all production cues can't seem to refrain from the decorative do dads and gingerbread. Even most Joss present very nicely, but there's almost always the inescapable ornate butt sleeve.

So, the obvious choice for me is a SP. That leaves me some nice choices, but to date I've always played with a smooth black leather wrap. I'm hoping as I am able to locate each of my choices locally and play with them, to convince myself to forego the necessity of any wrap whatsoever; but that may be a really tough sell.

I've narrowed down things to the Joss SP, ($317) one of the Predator Roadline not so sneaky petes, ($280 - $440) and since Schmelke ($400 - $450) has no problem adding a leather wrap to their cues, the Schmelke mid line R070. I'll be adding a 314/2 to whichever I choose, not that my game warrants it, but with a few months of practice I hope to get back to the playing level where applying English might improve my game. I just feel that an LD shaft will make my need for adjusting for squirt less of an ordeal to learn to deal with.

I see Joss has quite a loyal following here in the sub $500 price point, which by the way is my current limit. I see a loyal Predator fan base also. I would really like some solid first hand experience with how the Schmelke product holds up against the competition. The Schmelke gets up there in cost pretty quickly, since on a lot their cues, the LD shafts approach up to $275. The less expensive the cue, the more they charge for the upgraded LD shaft. It varies from $215 to $275.

I also know I should most likely buy a plain-Jane Player's brand cue, and practice, practice, and practice! It's just that after all this good fortune in my life, I really, really want to treat myself to a slightly upgraded cue and at least try the newer technologies regarding deflection. Also, if any of the artisans here can add a smooth black leather wrap to the Joss JOSSP pete, I would be most interested in speaking with you.

If you're still awake after reading all of this, I would sincerely appreciate your inputs.

Thanks a million! :smile:

You can't go wrong with the Joss. Regarding the leather wrap, wouldn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the sneaky pete? By the way, some cue makers don't use leather for ethical reasons.
May I suggest in addition to the Joss that you consider a Bob Frey (he will do leather if you insist) and Pechauer, possibly my favorite SP.
Regarding the Predator shafts, many of us prefer the original 314 shafts to the newer 314-2 version.

I envy you being able to move from Florida to Colorado...

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
I'm just a beginner so don't pay much attention to my recommendation, kuz what do I know...:) but I wanted to welcome you to the forum. U sound like a very nice guy.

Have u considered pechauer at all? I have a jp01 with a 314-2 shaft on it and love it! Just thought u might want to at least give them a look.

Also if u call them or email them they're extremely helpful. When I was shopping for my cue, aside from all the great help I got here, I called pechauer several times and they were super patient and helpful.

Good luck!

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Welcome! For a really great cue, consider a custom SP made by Judd Fuller, who lives in Yellow Jacket in southwest CO. He's made cues for some of the world's greatest players. Give him a call and talk it over with him. He's real easy to talk to and his SPs are some of the best and really fairly priced. Your new table deserves it!
http://www.juddcues.com/
:thumbup:
 
go roadline!

Just received a wrapped predator road line an it absolutely turns heads! Great cue
 
Just received a wrapped predator road line an it absolutely turns heads! Great cue

Those Predators are a strong possibility. I'd like to see and hit with one of them. I see some e tailers offer a leather upgrade for the SP6GL linen to leather, but I'm afraid it's their synthetic "pebble finish" faux leather.

I also see some guys blowing out the SP4RW for $280. Man, that's tough to pass up. It's like they're throwing in the Unilock and the butt for fifty bucks.
 
Have you talked to Dan Janes (Joss) about adding a leather wrap to his Sneaky? I believe he charges $150 to replace the linen with leather on new cues. You can also tell him what shaft diameter you want and what type of taper you prefer.

Nothing like a Custom Sneaky!! :thumbup:

Brian :)
 
Those Predators are a strong possibility. I'd like to see and hit with one of them. I see some e tailers offer a leather upgrade for the SP6GL linen to leather, but I'm afraid it's their synthetic "pebble finish" faux leather.

I also see some guys blowing out the SP4RW for $280. Man, that's tough to pass up. It's like they're throwing in the Unilock and the butt for fifty bucks.

If you've never played with a low deflection shaft you may be in for a shock. They aren't for everybody, especially predators.
 
Have you talked to Dan Janes (Joss) about adding a leather wrap to his Sneaky? I believe he charges $150 to replace the linen with leather on new cues. You can also tell him what shaft diameter you want and what type of taper you prefer.

Nothing like a Custom Sneaky!! :thumbup:

Brian :)

Yes, I called Joss directly. Don't know whom I spoke with, but he flatly said that the SP is "an entirely different animal" and that he could not add the leather. I wanted to question him further on his response, but I had just had oral surgery, couldn't talk for beans, and just left it at that. I don't see why a skilled cue guy can't just undercut it and add a black leather wrap, but I defer to the experts here. I ain't gotta clue why...:shrug:
 
If you've never played with a low deflection shaft you may be in for a shock. They aren't for everybody, especially predators.

I won't be worrying about deflection for quite some time since I'll have get my game back, but I just thought the LD would make my venture into English a simpler transition.

What shaft would be your recommendation for an "advanced amateur?"

Thanks for your input and I love your avatar...:smile:
 
Hello all,

I'd like to introduce myself

My name is Bob and I've played pool off and on for over 50 years. Having not had sufficient room for a table in Florida, I've been on a 16 year hiatus, but I've still got my original Brunswick Willie Hoppe Professional cue which I bought at 15, if memory serves, for c. $20. I'm now 64 and my wife and I are moving from Orlando to Denver.

I've had the unbelievable good fortune of locating and buying purportedly a one private owner, early edition, Brunswick nine foot drop pocket Anniversary which I found located right in my new back yard of downtown Denver. I've literally dreamt of owning this table since I first played on one in the very early 60's. We are currently building a townhome with an 800 sq. ft. unobstructed basement to accommodate the table. Most "modern" bowling facilities in the 60's had a dozen or so Anniversaries, and not being 18, I spent hours peering though the slats that divided off the bowling alley from the "Billiard Room". I won't even see the table 'til September, but my wife and daughter have, and even they say it's gorgeous, and for someone who doesn't share my love of the game, that's pretty impressive, so I'm very optimistic. Let's face facts; I'm soooo stoked I'm like a kid on Christmas eve!!!

I belong to various other forums on different topics, and I am going to try my best not to be the guy who comes on line to pick the experts' brains, and then has nothing to contribute, and is never seen again.

However, at best, I'm an advanced amateur, but I will try to participate as I am able; although my game and knowledge can't hold a candle to all of you.

Sooooo, I haven't a clue where to place this thread since it's an introduction, and I've touched on some brief pool history, and now the inevitable rookie question which everyone hates, and that's regarding basically three cues I'm considering, so here goes. Thanks for bearing with me here!

Being a product of the 60's, my cue tastes lean towards the very traditional. It's not that I don't appreciate all the skill and craftsmanship of the custom cues, it's just that I lean heavily towards a basic four point cue. I find many to look at, but as my eye travels downward, nearly all production cues can't seem to refrain from the decorative do dads and gingerbread. Even most Joss present very nicely, but there's almost always the inescapable ornate butt sleeve.

So, the obvious choice for me is a SP. That leaves me some nice choices, but to date I've always played with a smooth black leather wrap. I'm hoping as I am able to locate each of my choices locally and play with them, to convince myself to forego the necessity of any wrap whatsoever; but that may be a really tough sell.

I've narrowed down things to the Joss SP, ($317) one of the Predator Roadline not so sneaky petes, ($280 - $440) and since Schmelke ($400 - $450) has no problem adding a leather wrap to their cues, the Schmelke mid line R070. I'll be adding a 314/2 to whichever I choose, not that my game warrants it, but with a few months of practice I hope to get back to the playing level where applying English might improve my game. I just feel that an LD shaft will make my need for adjusting for squirt less of an ordeal to learn to deal with.

I see Joss has quite a loyal following here in the sub $500 price point, which by the way is my current limit. I see a loyal Predator fan base also. I would really like some solid first hand experience with how the Schmelke product holds up against the competition. The Schmelke gets up there in cost pretty quickly, since on a lot their cues, the LD shafts approach up to $275. The less expensive the cue, the more they charge for the upgraded LD shaft. It varies from $215 to $275.

I also know I should most likely buy a plain-Jane Player's brand cue, and practice, practice, and practice! It's just that after all this good fortune in my life, I really, really want to treat myself to a slightly upgraded cue and at least try the newer technologies regarding deflection. Also, if any of the artisans here can add a smooth black leather wrap to the Joss JOSSP pete, I would be most interested in speaking with you.

If you're still awake after reading all of this, I would sincerely appreciate your inputs.

Thanks a million! :smile:
If you're only going to play at home, I'm not sure that the cues you are looking at would play any better than your old Brunswick Hoppe. If you want to be able to take your cue out to local rooms, too, then why not have someone convert your Brunswick Hoppe to a 2-piece? That way you can specify shaft, tip diameter, length, and wrap, and end up with a cue that's perfect for you with reasonably solid resale value. If you didn't get too crazy with options, you could probably do this for the budget you have in mind.
 
If you're only going to play at home, I'm not sure that the cues you are looking at would play any better than your old Brunswick Hoppe. If you want to be able to take your cue out to local rooms, too, then why not have someone convert your Brunswick Hoppe to a 2-piece? That way you can specify shaft, tip diameter, length, and wrap, and end up with a cue that's perfect for you with reasonably solid resale value. If you didn't get too crazy with options, you could probably do this for the budget you have in mind.

The "Professional" cue is two piece. I had toyed with the idea of just adding a 314/2 to it, but I can't find anyone who knows what my joint is, nor what Predator would fit it. Sorry no pics, since my camera is already in Denver.
 
The "Professional" cue is two piece. I had toyed with the idea of just adding a 314/2 to it, but I can't find anyone who knows what my joint is, nor what Predator would fit it. Sorry no pics, since my camera is already in Denver.
When you're in Denver, maybe you should take your Brunswick to a local cue maker or repair guy to see what they think about adding a Predator shaft. Anyone in the business should be able to get a Predator blank and fit it to your existing pin. Worst case would be to replace the pin with something current, then fit the blank to it. Of course, you may just have the hankering to get a new cue, which is something almost everyone on this forum can identify with. Good luck with your deliberations and with your upcoming move, and welcome to AZB.
 
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