Analysis paralysis on buying a table

filotto22

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Due to some fortunate circumstances I finally have enough space for a pool table in my basement, I have only ever played in bars for fun with friends but have always wanted to actually learn to play better, which requires practice obviously. I also don't mind the idea at all of playing alone against myself, I find pool quite meditative and relaxing in a quiet environment.

I do not care about table looks, and buying a new diamond 9ft is out of budget (as much as I'd like under 2k, I could go 3-4k, this all in, new cloth, good cushions, installed), so I have been looking at craigslist for some months and visited the one local (Madison, WI) store that sells used tables but am now in analysis paralysis and don't know what to do.

Size wise I think I have enough space for a 9ft (I put some tape on the cement floor, the basement is unfinished so it's easy, and i have a cue length plus at least 6" everywhere, but much more on average) so that's what I have been leaning towards, but 9ft tables are few and far between and very slim pickings used locally (there are two currently on CL, a brunswick viscount just listed, and a no-name that's been there for a long time). The store I visited has a couple, but of course at a much higher price point that gives me pause (as spending 4-5k for a used table is not that far from a new table cost, definitely a big difference from a 1-1.5k craigslist find).

With used of course there is the rails/slate/cushions... state question, as much as I've been playing a while I am no pro, and I for sure don't have the skills to assess if a used table is a good deal or a money pit that won't ever play right due to issues I couldn't see (it's not like I can ask the seller to take off the cloth to look at the slate even if I knew what to look for). Looking at the mechanics list on the site I also don't see any here so even if I wanted to buy used I wouldn't know where to start finding somebody trustworthy to move/set up the table.

If this was something that I could move myself, it might be different, but an item this large and this heavy (not to mention expensive) is not something I can try and return/give away if it doesn't work out and it feels like a one and done kind of deal (as in, once it's in, it is what it is).

I know I am likely overthinking this, not unusual for me, but I am finding it hard to figure out what to do. I also really really hate haggling and the store sales process in general, and unfortunately it feels buying a pool table is more like buying a car than buying a TV. Part of me feels like ok let's just save some more years and then buy a new diamond at list to avoid all the issues but it sure would be nice not having to do that...
 
Buying a cheap table is like buying cheap coffee or whiskey,you regret it with every sip.
3K to 4K should get a used gold Crown.
Where are you located?
A used Gold Crown should be within your budget, but you need to figure an additional $1k - $1.5k for professional moving, assembling, likely needing new high quality cushion rubbers installed, new Simonis, not to mention quality lighting, balls, etc.
 
I am in Madison, WI: in the past 6 months of looking at craigslist pretty much every day I've only ever seen one GC listed (for if I remember correctly 3.5k) but that was in IL and the seller (a dealer) I think didn't want to bother coming all the way, it seemed it sold pretty quickly anyways. Professional moving/assembly is part of the issue, as in finding a reputable local table mechanic/mover to do so.
 
Due to some fortunate circumstances I finally have enough space for a pool table in my basement, I have only ever played in bars for fun with friends but have always wanted to actually learn to play better, which requires practice obviously. I also don't mind the idea at all of playing alone against myself, I find pool quite meditative and relaxing in a quiet environment.

I do not care about table looks, and buying a new diamond 9ft is out of budget (as much as I'd like under 2k, I could go 3-4k, this all in, new cloth, good cushions, installed), so I have been looking at craigslist for some months and visited the one local (Madison, WI) store that sells used tables but am now in analysis paralysis and don't know what to do.

Size wise I think I have enough space for a 9ft (I put some tape on the cement floor, the basement is unfinished so it's easy, and i have a cue length plus at least 6" everywhere, but much more on average) so that's what I have been leaning towards, but 9ft tables are few and far between and very slim pickings used locally (there are two currently on CL, a brunswick viscount just listed, and a no-name that's been there for a long time). The store I visited has a couple, but of course at a much higher price point that gives me pause (as spending 4-5k for a used table is not that far from a new table cost, definitely a big difference from a 1-1.5k craigslist find).

With used of course there is the rails/slate/cushions... state question, as much as I've been playing a while I am no pro, and I for sure don't have the skills to assess if a used table is a good deal or a money pit that won't ever play right due to issues I couldn't see (it's not like I can ask the seller to take off the cloth to look at the slate even if I knew what to look for). Looking at the mechanics list on the site I also don't see any here so even if I wanted to buy used I wouldn't know where to start finding somebody trustworthy to move/set up the table.

If this was something that I could move myself, it might be different, but an item this large and this heavy (not to mention expensive) is not something I can try and return/give away if it doesn't work out and it feels like a one and done kind of deal (as in, once it's in, it is what it is).

I know I am likely overthinking this, not unusual for me, but I am finding it hard to figure out what to do. I also really really hate haggling and the store sales process in general, and unfortunately it feels buying a pool table is more like buying a car than buying a TV. Part of me feels like ok let's just save some more years and then buy a new diamond at list to avoid all the issues but it sure would be nice not having to do that...
I would also keep an eye on ebay too. There is Wisconsin Pool Players Association group on facebook where a lot of used tables show up too.
 
I am in Madison, WI: in the past 6 months of looking at craigslist pretty much every day I've only ever seen one GC listed (for if I remember correctly 3.5k) but that was in IL and the seller (a dealer) I think didn't want to bother coming all the way, it seemed it sold pretty quickly anyways. Professional moving/assembly is part of the issue, as in finding a reputable local table mechanic/mover to do so.

Find a good local mechanic before you buy anything. He (or she) is as important as the table. For your budget you might be able to have a table transported to get exactly what you want.
 
Awesome! My best advice is be patient. Don't rush into a purchase and get something less than what you want. You waited this long. A little longer won't hurt. When I was shopping for a table, I wanted a specific 9' gold crown that already had the rails extended professionally. It took almost a year before one popped up. And it was in Ohio (I live in Texas!). I had already saved up for the table, but had shipping on top. But it was totally worth it. Every time I played on the table it was perfect.

So, keep an eye out and enjoy the ride. Sometimes the journey is as fun as the destination.

-td
 
Awesome! My best advice is be patient. Don't rush into a purchase and get something less than what you want. You waited this long. A little longer won't hurt. When I was shopping for a table, I wanted a specific 9' gold crown that already had the rails extended professionally. It took almost a year before one popped up. And it was in Ohio (I live in Texas!). I had already saved up for the table, but had shipping on top. But it was totally worth it. Every time I played on the table it was perfect.

So, keep an eye out and enjoy the ride. Sometimes the journey is as fun as the destination.

-td
Well said. Once the determination to get a table is made, we want it.

One must remember that a table is a long term purchase, so do it once.

Easiest way to 'do it right' is to have a competent local mechanic get involved early. These guys often have tables in storage or knowledge about where tables might be sourced.

Plus, they have trucks and tools.
 
I think I just saw an ad for some GC3s on here. Nothing wrong w/ other Brunswicks, AMFs, Connelys, Olhausens, etc. to put in your basement & you could do it for a lot less than a used Diamond or GC.
 
I think I just saw an ad for some GC3s on here. Nothing wrong w/ other Brunswicks, AMFs, Connelys, Olhausens, etc. to put in your basement & you could do it for a lot less than a used Diamond or GC.
Trentfromtoledo just put an add on here for some GC's for 6000 a piece.
 
Go to the local pool halls, not the bars, and ask them who does their tables. (Assuming they look well installed). That will get you away from the retail hotub/pool table locations, and talking directly with the person who will be doing the installation. They will often have used commercial tables for sale. Tell the guy you want to become a “player” and don’t want a table for a “banger”.
 
thanks for the tips about Trent, he also replied to my "looking for a mechanic" post so I'll message him. As I was saying above 6k for now is definitely way over budget so those wouldn't work for me (they sure look great)
 
Hold off for any old used 9 ft GC. Any GC with factory rails/pockets & a basic recover by local installer will play plenty fine to learn & have tons of fun on for $2k ish. You can upgrade over time once you have more experience & budget. Learn how & be willing to disassmble yourself, rent a truck & travel to get one. If pickings are so super lean in your area, consider a beater Valley/Dynamo 7’ barbox. Usually find them for $1k ish, easy to move, setup and resell once you find a GC. Can doll them up yourself for $500, and also great fun to play on. It sucks to be horny to play pool, have space for a table/room and just be stuck reading forums all day - do what you need to get a table. My $0.02, good luck
 
my take. if you are not looking to be a top notch pool room player get an olhausen table is just fine. they are good quality and look good as they are made for living rooms. they are commonly found in great shape for around 1000 bucks or less. most all will have great rails and even cloth may be reused till you get better. as they dont get much play in most homes.

gold crowns are great but most all had a pool room spell and are much older, and may need more work than you think after getting it. and then may be out of your budget.
size wise go with 9 foot if you have the room but many like an 8 foot as bad players can make more balls and leagues and social places will have smaller tables.

remember a 9 foot table the playing surface is 50 by 100 inches not 9 feet
 
thanks for the tips about Trent, he also replied to my "looking for a mechanic" post so I'll message him. As I was saying above 6k for now is definitely way over budget so those wouldn't work for me (they sure look great)
If he can't find you a gold crown there's gonna be an investigation.
 
I am in Madison, WI: in the past 6 months of looking at craigslist pretty much every day I've only ever seen one GC listed (for if I remember correctly 3.5k) but that was in IL and the seller (a dealer) I think didn't want to bother coming all the way, it seemed it sold pretty quickly anyways. Professional moving/assembly is part of the issue, as in finding a reputable local table mechanic/mover to do so.
CL is empty for the most part these days, at least compared to Facebook. I found my GC1 on Facebook Marketplace and it was located just west of Chicago. I had help from the forum participants on AZB. I needed an 8ft table and these are harder to find than 9 footers. I am just west of Minneapolis, so it was a much longer trip than you would have had from Madison. Be prepared to drive to get what you want. Also, wait for the right table. If all you want is a decent furniture table there are tons out there for under $1,000.
 
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Its all about supply and demand right now. No one has extra tables. I have 17 GC3's right now, 12 of them are possibly sold at full restored price of $6k to a guy opening a new room. I tell people if you dont have the right money right now: SAVE and get the right table. The days of the $500 GC are long A$$ gone. Moving them costs more than it ever because of the price of gas and expenses has risen so high. Doing new cushions, extensions and even subrails are more than ever. Mechanics are also charging more than ever to set up tables. Most areas do not have qualified mechanics and travel is a necessity for them, so customers are going to have to pay, simple as that. :)

TFT
 
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