Analyze my Stroke

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jon21588

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Well I made a video of myself shooting. I shot 15 shots. I started out with stop, then draw and then follow. I know the video is a bit on the rough edge, and I tried to edit it. I gave up about 1 this morning. May have to do a little bit more reading on editting videos.

Here is the link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JLKev9MxeAE

Basically, I want an analysis of my stroke, and what I can practice to achieve a better/consistent stroke.

Thanks,
Jon



PS: At about 1:30, some random guy crawls under the camera. Weird?

PSS: Take it easy on me.
 
jon21588 said:
Well I made a video of myself shooting. I shot 15 shots. I started out with stop, then draw and then follow. I know the video is a bit on the rough edge, and I tried to edit it. I gave up about 1 this morning. May have to do a little bit more reading on editting videos.

Here is the link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JLKev9MxeAE

Basically, I want an analysis of my stroke, and what I can practice to achieve a better/consistent stroke.

Thanks,
Jon



PS: At about 1:30, some random guy crawls under the camera. Weird?

PSS: Take it easy on me.
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I think you came to the right place. There are multiple individuals on here that can help you. It is a pretty dark video. Shame it wasn't brighter. Looks like you are dropping your elbow at the finish and also starting to stand up before finishing the shot.

Just a couple of observations. Also, maybe try to get the video from the back so the camera is looking down the cue stick. That way one can observe your line up and feet positioning.
 
It is perfect on the TV. When I put it on the computer, it got dark and the clarity turned terrible.
 
It looked like you were coming up on the last stroke of your routine. I also noticed the elbow dropping a little.
 
strokey

standing up and elbow drop, biggest things from this angle.

this isn't the best way to get an accurate analysis.
very irregular practice strokes, grip too tight.

you get a 4 out of 10 based on the data available in this segment.

there are a myriad of other things that aren't available
because of your video structure.

one would be that you didn't hit any soft shots.

advice,
don't move a muscle until the balls stop rolling,
keep your grip hand loose and consult a professional.
You can get all the tools you need to develop a
monster stroke in a 2-3 hour lesson.

-cOOp
 
jon21588 said:
Well I made a video of myself shooting. I shot 15 shots. I started out with stop, then draw and then follow. I know the video is a bit on the rough edge, and I tried to edit it. I gave up about 1 this morning. May have to do a little bit more reading on editting videos.

Here is the link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JLKev9MxeAE

Basically, I want an analysis of my stroke, and what I can practice to achieve a better/consistent stroke.

Thanks,
Jon



PS: At about 1:30, some random guy crawls under the camera. Weird?

PSS: Take it easy on me.
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You flop down into your stance rather than setting it up more carefully.

You start standing up as soon as you start your shot stroke backswing. Got a date?

You raise your elbow on your shot stroke backswing.

You don't pause anywhere in your practice strokes. Your aim might improve if you paused (at least on some strokes) with the tip at the cue ball.

Your bridge length (and hence your stroke) is at least twice as long as it should be, which probably means your tip/ball contact accuracy is low and your stroke has more swoops in it than you want.

There's probably more...

But I like the fluidity.

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
You flop down into your stance rather than setting it up more carefully.

You start standing up as soon as you start your shot stroke backswing. Got a date?

You raise your elbow on your shot stroke backswing.

You don't pause anywhere in your practice strokes. Your aim might improve if you paused (at least on some strokes) with the tip at the cue ball.

Your bridge length (and hence your stroke) is at least twice as long as it should be, which probably means your tip/ball contact accuracy is low and your stroke has more swoops in it than you want.

There's probably more...

But I like the fluidity.

pj
chgo
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Grip hand needs to be back a inch or 2.
 
I think you should solve the "jump-ups" and shoot another video before going any further. You are still through out the practice strokes, but immediately jump-up as soon as you go to contact the CB.
 
like others said, hard to see but yeah your bridge looks very long......is your accuracy pretty good? A longer bridge is going to magnify stoke problems and make you miss shots usually. You jump up on your shot and also it looks like your hand placement is a bit off.......the way i was taught, you want your back elbow perpendicular to your cue with the tip almost touching the cueball......it looks like your back hand is quite a bit forward at that point, which would translate into you not hitting the cueball where you wanted. I dont know how much of a preshot routine you use...it looks like you were using one although a quick one, might want to spend a little more time up top and also aim on your way down instead of getting into your stance so quick......think smoooooooth and slow and you get down into your shots, unless your personal rhythm just wont allow it.
 
My preshot routine consists of lining my right foot up with the line of the shot, taking half a step forward with my left foot and half a step back with my right foot. I'm going out of town to shoot on a 9' today, so I'll try to slow my rhythm down, shorten my bridge, keep my elbow still while in the backstroke, keep it up during the final stroke, and try staying down on the shot.
 
jon21588 said:
My preshot routine consists of lining my right foot up with the line of the shot, taking half a step forward with my left foot and half a step back with my right foot. I'm going out of town to shoot on a 9' today, so I'll try to slow my rhythm down, shorten my bridge, keep my elbow still while in the backstroke, keep it up during the final stroke, and try staying down on the shot.
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I recommend paying some more attention to your foot position - everything is based on that and accurate repetition is important. You say you put your back foot on line, but how do you know it's exactly the right distance from the cue ball? Try laying your stick down on the shot line with the tip right at the cue ball, then noticing where your back foot goes in relation to your grip hand. I think you'll have to stop moving that back foot when you get down for this to work.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I recommend paying some more attention to your foot position - everything is based on that and accurate repetition is important. You say you put your back foot on line, but how do you know it's exactly the right distance from the cue ball? Try laying your stick down on the shot line with the tip right at the cue ball, then noticing where your back foot goes in relation to your grip hand. I think you'll have to stop moving that back foot when you get down for this to work.

pj
chgo
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Can you elaborate on this a little bit more? Should I put my grip hand on my hip and put the cue up to the cue ball, then get into position? I'm not sure I understand. I'm willing to try anything though. Thanks.
 
too constricted

Your stance is too constricted for your build or the condition your muscles were in. Were you a little muscle sore or pretty much normal? You are raising your head before stroking through indicating that you are feeling constricted and having to free up your body before your final stroke through the cue ball. If you want your head as low as you are keeping it while aiming you will need to alter other parts of your stance, again if you were not unusually sore when you shot this.

After correcting the stance the stroke can be worked on.

My opinion only of course.

Hu
 
I agree with what the others said about moving before the shot's over. Concentrate on keeping your entire body, besides your right arm, totally still until the OB is in the pocket. A benefit of this besides consistency is being able to see that your stroke finished straight. Freezing with the cue at its natural finish will show you a lot about how straight you stroked the cue.

Your right arm alignment looks picture-perfect, which is a big head start to a good stroke. Your upper arm appears in line with the shot, and your lower arm is perpendicular to the floor when the tip is at the CB.

You do have a bit of elbow movement during the final stroke. In the long run, you'll probably gain more consistency if you eliminate it. This will take some getting used to, but shouldn't be too hard for you because your alignment is right, so there's no reason your elbow needs to move in order to deliver the cue as intended.

I notice that your hips are not the same distance from the ground on every shot; on some shots your right leg is almost completely straight, and on others it's much more bent. Making this consistent on every shot can only help your muscle memory develop faster.

Also, not based on the video but just in general, I'd recommend seeing an instructor about developing your pre-shot routine, eye patterns, and practice strokes. These as well are areas where training yourself to do them the same every time will help the long-term goal of a consistent and repeatable delivery of the cue, which is necessary for shotmaking, moving the CB well, and controlling speed.

-Andrew
 
I used to keep my legs locked. Somehow I started the squatting thing. Ahhh this game is so hard. I'm going to work on all of this today.

After a few weeks of working on all of these great opinions, I'll make another video of better quality to see if I've made any progress.
 
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to me foot position is critical. Not so much on shorter shots but on long straight ins if im not lined up right ill miss every time. The way i get into position on a shot.........i will make an imaginary line from the cueball thru the object ball and straddle this line with my body. Then i raise my cue stick (in my bridge, like im doing airstrokes) and hold it in front of me along this line with the cuetip up in the air (my cue actually bisects the cueball and object ball as im looking thru it). I bring the whole thing down in line with the shot and pivot my feet and body. Imagine the cue just in the air magically suspended on line with the shot.....you want to get the cue there and bend your body and stance around it so that it can do its job, that being swinging in a straight line along the shot line and delivering the shot. Might not be the right way but it works for me
 
Me:
I recommend paying some more attention to your foot position - everything is based on that and accurate repetition is important. You say you put your back foot on line, but how do you know it's exactly the right distance from the cue ball? Try laying your stick down on the shot line with the tip right at the cue ball, then noticing where your back foot goes in relation to your grip hand. I think you'll have to stop moving that back foot when you get down for this to work.

Jon21588:
Can you elaborate on this a little bit more? Should I put my grip hand on my hip and put the cue up to the cue ball, then get into position? I'm not sure I understand. I'm willing to try anything though. Thanks.
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It's the old classic way to set up your stance:

1. Lay your stick on the table with the tip at the cue ball (where it should be when your back forearm is vertical), holding it in your normal grip position.

2. Place your back foot about directly under your grip hand (your grip hand will probably be just about against your hip - these positions may change some after trying this out). DON'T MOVE THIS FOOT AFTER PLACING IT - THIS IS THE KEY TO REPEATABILITY.

3. Step forward with your front foot so it's maybe 18-24 inches from your back foot and maybe 8-12 inches to the left of your stick (this might also change some later).

4. Lower your head and torso slowly, keeping your head and eyes over your stick and extending your bridge hand as you go, keeping your stick on the table and on the shot line.

5. Adjust your feet until you're comfortable (but remember you won't do this once you've found the right initial foot placement), then repeat the process with adjustments to your initial foot positions. Repeat this until you've found where your feet should be in relation to your stick on the shot line, then burn that picture into your brain and repeat it for every setup. (I often look down at my feet as I'm lowering my torso to visually check the relation between them and my stick - it should be the same picture every time.)

After awhile this will be routine and take just a second as you step into the line of your shot, but it's a good idea to keep practicing it deliberately sometimes to keep from getting sloppy.

pj
chgo
 
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Find big table and their are some pointers published in billiards digest. You must shoot these shoots and then with the camera. Which for one should be aimed straight at you. theres side angles as well but I want to watch the cue tip I'll find the paper work I've done this with pro players when they are out of wack. good luck catch ya later tonight Remember with the pool school . They teach you how to pocket balls that is the reason for the video need to watch pocket balls. Some people like the monk don't even believe in this method. If you know him and his crew that travel around certifing the monks teachers. later I'm off to the office.
 
jon21588 said:
. I'm going to work on all of this today.

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When you chase two rabbits, they both get away. This isn't a race, and you don't have to do it all today. Pick one area and focus on it. For instance, not jumping up. Practicing freezing until the balls stop rolling. When it starts to become a habit, move on to the next thing. Don't try to fix everything at once, or very little will be accomplished. Also be prepared for your game to go down while you are trying to incorporate new concepts.
And the best advice was to get an (as in ONE) instructor to work with you. You got some good advice in this thread, and some that may not be the best. A good instructor will help you develop a personal training plan that will address your individual problems.
Good Luck
Steve
 
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