Anyone have any clues on this one? There are no markings except the butt cap which is marked 13-213. Supposedly its over 30 years old. Shaft has a fairly small piloted brass insert. Its a 4 point with veneers, don't have any good pics. Thanks.
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thanks for the lead
Thanks for the input. I'm thinking its not a crap import just because of that stamp. I don't think the imports had serial numbers. Hopefully I can get some more info. Thanks
Thanks for the input. I'm thinking its not a crap import just because of that stamp. I don't think the imports had serial numbers. Hopefully I can get some more info. Thanks
I highly doubt it is a Schon, I don't see any features of a Scon in it. But import does not necessarily mean crap, I don't know why people use the two words together so frequently. There has been a mot of US made crap, including pool cues.
But anyway, I believe I saw that cue or one exactly like it on Ebay. It impressed me as exactly that...an Asian import. Most likely of the Competition or Imperial variety.
Eighties Adams used a bumper like that, but I don't think it is an Adam. Jayman could say for sure.
You will find all sorts of numbers, serial and otherwise, on imports by the way.
I am guessing the approximate age you state is reasonable not just from the condition but the design of the cue.
But anyway, I believe I saw that cue or one exactly like it on Ebay. It impressed me as exactly that...an Asian import. Most likely of the Competition or Imperial variety.
Eighties Adams used a bumper like that, but I don't think it is an Adam. Jayman could say for sure.
You will find all sorts of numbers, serial and otherwise, on imports by the way.
I am guessing the approximate age you state is reasonable not just from the condition but the design of the cue.
Meucci uses 5/16x18......as well as Mali, Huebler, Viking, and others. You'll find it even on very old JOSS. It does not necessarily mean import, though a lot of imports have used that joint.
I found it again, more pics here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-poo...ultDomain_0&hash=item1c22dc0052#ht_500wt_1287
Yes, it is a 5/16x18 joint.
your right
Your right the term "crap" probably isn't the word I was looking for. I guess I was aiming for "less valuable". It could be the greatest playing cue in the world for all I know. I do not have the cue in hand so I don't have good pics of points. I just can't figure why a mass produced import would have this type of numbering on it. It seems like a tracking number for a lower quantity produced cue. Once again thanks for all your input
Your right the term "crap" probably isn't the word I was looking for. I guess I was aiming for "less valuable". It could be the greatest playing cue in the world for all I know. I do not have the cue in hand so I don't have good pics of points. I just can't figure why a mass produced import would have this type of numbering on it. It seems like a tracking number for a lower quantity produced cue. Once again thanks for all your input
competition
Now that you mention the company "Competition" I think the first 2 piece cue my dad bought me was a Competition. It was in the mid 90s, I'd be surprised if they were the same company from the 70s. I remember having that cue and the original earl strickland cuetec and even as a 9 year old I thought the competition hit better.
Now that you mention the company "Competition" I think the first 2 piece cue my dad bought me was a Competition. It was in the mid 90s, I'd be surprised if they were the same company from the 70s. I remember having that cue and the original earl strickland cuetec and even as a 9 year old I thought the competition hit better.
Competition was (is?) a brand, not a manufacturer. I used them as an example. Many brands have shared the same origins like Cobra, Mizerak, Victory, Competition, Sierra, and a bunch of others.
How they play is a bit hit and miss and many people have been surprised by some of them.
As an example of what I mean check this out:
http://www.insidepool.com/order/images/SINAVA.jpg
That is a Sierra, they are currently for sale for MSRP-$425.00, sale price-$340.00, extra shafts are $140.00
And here is mine, check the one on the left branded as a Cobra:
I posted about this in the gallery with more picture evidence of other brands such as Viscotti, Quest, and Lucasi. Look at what people pay for a Lucasi versus a Quest. :wink:
Scroll down to see my posts on the matter:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=255691&highlight=cobra
How they play is a bit hit and miss and many people have been surprised by some of them.
As an example of what I mean check this out:
http://www.insidepool.com/order/images/SINAVA.jpg
That is a Sierra, they are currently for sale for MSRP-$425.00, sale price-$340.00, extra shafts are $140.00
And here is mine, check the one on the left branded as a Cobra:
I posted about this in the gallery with more picture evidence of other brands such as Viscotti, Quest, and Lucasi. Look at what people pay for a Lucasi versus a Quest. :wink:
Scroll down to see my posts on the matter:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=255691&highlight=cobra
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awesome
That's pretty cool chopdoc. Your a Dr. Right? You should be a lawyer wither your research skills.
That's pretty cool chopdoc. Your a Dr. Right? You should be a lawyer wither your research skills.
The butt sleve, brass 5/16 - 18 pin, ferrule, joint rings, and butt cap,
all say Taiwan import - and WAAAAY less valuable.
To repeat something I said yesterday - there were TONS of these cues
imported from Taiwan in the 80s/90s.
FWIW - I doubt the number was put on by the manufacturer.
Dale
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I said it "could" be an import. I know what companies have used the 5/16 x 18 joint pin...and this cue is NOT from any of those companies. Therefore it could be an import!
Oh yes, I agree it could be, and most likely is, a low end import.
It does not resemble any of the more mainstream brands I mentioned.
It does however possibly resemble some of the other less prominent US makers. For example, the joint style and rings do resemble some National cues I have seen. Now that would be a nice find, so I would want to make sure. I mean....that's Helmstetter and Meucci et al work.
But that's a stretch. I do agree, it is most likely a lower end Asian import.
It does not resemble any of the more mainstream brands I mentioned.
It does however possibly resemble some of the other less prominent US makers. For example, the joint style and rings do resemble some National cues I have seen. Now that would be a nice find, so I would want to make sure. I mean....that's Helmstetter and Meucci et al work.
But that's a stretch. I do agree, it is most likely a lower end Asian import.
If it was a Helmstetter, it would still be an import since those cues were made by the Adams/Miki company (since early 70's). IMO the Japanese cue makers (especially Miki) built some damn nice cues! MUCH better than anything else built in Asia and better than most American production cues too! However this cue does not appear to be a Miki made cue.
Miki sold Adams but still makes Mezz cues.
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Actually, when I dropped that name it was with Meucci and National, meaning US made.
Helmstetter made cues in the US well before he started Adam.
What I was speaking of were the early cues made by Helmstetter in the US.....which I don't think this is anyway.
So, no....Helmstetter did not mean import in my post. :wink:
Competition was (is?) a brand, not a manufacturer. I used them as an example. Many brands have shared the same origins like Cobra, Mizerak, Victory, Competition, Sierra, and a bunch of others.
How they play is a bit hit and miss and many people have been surprised by some of them.
As an example of what I mean check this out:
http://www.insidepool.com/order/images/SINAVA.jpg
That is a Sierra, they are currently for sale for MSRP-$425.00, sale price-$340.00, extra shafts are $140.00
And here is mine, check the one on the left branded as a Cobra:
I posted about this in the gallery with more picture evidence of other brands such as Viscotti, Quest, and Lucasi. Look at what people pay for a Lucasi versus a Quest. :wink:
Scroll down to see my posts on the matter:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=255691&highlight=cobra
I had that identical stick, (second from the right) that I picked up from a pawn shop back in the 80's for $23....
That was the best hitting stick I owned until I bought my first Meucci in '92.
I won alooooooot of money with that old 'Miz.....Man I miss that stick....
Thanks Doc. :thumbup: Brings back a lot of fine memories!!!:thumbup:
That post belongs in my other thread for sure! Check it out: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=258925&highlight=ugly
I love stories like that.
Yeah...that's why I like them. They just spark some memories....
The third one I got at the flea market for two bucks if I remember correctly. :thumbup:
I found it. It's a "Premier Pro Line" by Imperial (Crown logo) from about 1987, model called the Newton - probably made by Kao Kao or KPS in Taiwan at the time. It was about a $60 cue which was one of the better quality Imperials - came with a maple shaft, four points with prongs in the darker wood with veneers.
Looks like a full splice cue - should play pretty well. There are many of these look alike cues - kind of a copy of a McDermott design.
Chris
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