Another Gambling Thread

[blah blah]

I saw jeannette gamble against some guy at Hollywood Billiards (although it was called something else back then) in S.F. in about 1993. It was before she was taking pictures on motorcycles. She was giving weight, taking his money, and talking a lot of trash. At one point she asked him which ball he looked at last when he shoots, and he didn't recover for awhile as he tried to think about that one. It was really very funny.

I'll say this. Not trying to offend anyone, BUT, in Vegas i paid to go watch the BCA OPEN and the ladies were playing at the same time as the men. I watched about 8 matches Simultaneously and i was surprised at what a difference in Caliber there is. The MEN really do play ALOT better. I watched all the way down to Ewa and Tiffany playing for 3rd place, and frankly that late in the tournament the play was nowhere near the quality as when i watch Takahashi and Jeff White ( i think thats his name) play or any other matches in the top 25 finishers.

Just my $0.02

I saw Buddy Hall play Bobby Hunter at Hard Times recently at the Jamboree. It was hill- hill on the loser's side of the tourney. Bobby makes the 7 and gets perfect shape for an easy drop of the 8 about two feet away- a stop shot for the 9 that's sitting right there, totally ready for the other corner. Bobby hangs the 8. Buddy makes the 8 and shoots the 9 so easy he hangs the 9. I'm not knocking either of these great players, not knocking the men; I'm not even saying the women play equal. Just saying I now believe bad pool can happen to anyone any time.

 

[wahcheck]

I saw jeannette gamble against some guy at Hollywood Billiards (although it was called something else back then) in S.F. in about 1993. It was before she was taking pictures on motorcycles. She was giving weight, taking his money, and talking a lot of trash. At one point she asked him which ball he looked at last when he shoots, and he didn't recover for awhile as he tried to think about that one. It was really very funny.



I saw Buddy Hall play Bobby Hunter at Hard Times recently at the Jamboree. It was hill- hill on the loser's side of the tourney. Bobby makes the 7 and gets perfect shape for an easy drop of the 8 about two feet away- a stop shot for the 9 that's sitting right there, totally ready for the other corner. Bobby hangs the 8. Buddy makes the 8 and shoots the 9 so easy he hangs the 9. I'm not knocking either of these great players, not knocking the men; I'm not even saying the women play equal. Just saying I now believe bad pool can happen to anyone any time.

Thank you for that example.......If that's what really happened, I am amazed that two players of that caliber could do that.....but it also makes the rest of us bangers feel better about missing easy shots sometimes.....

 

[watchez]

Jeanette got the 7 and lost

In the past year a friend of mine gave Jeanette Lee the 7 ball playing 9 ball and beat her. He next tried to play her husband, George Breedlove, even and lost. This will tell you the speed of this player. He told me that Jeanette was agreeing to play him some more with the 7 IF she could have someone else break the balls for her (I have seen Jeff Beckley do this for her while she gambles before). I now read where Jeanette is having back surgery so this could be a reason for her not being able to compete with a solid road player with the 7....or maybe even with a good back and her break it still would not be enough.

 

[vapoolplayer]

i'd just like to take this time to point out that i've always though snapshot was full of shit.

now...........he's proved me right.

VAP

 

[LastTwo]

i'd just like to take this time to point out that i've always though snapshot was full of shit.

now...........he's proved me right.

VAP

He reminds me of Fast Mikey when was trying to hint that he plays better than Loree Jon Jones. LOL that was hilarious...I think he was an APA 4 at the time.

 

[Timberly]

Rachael Abbink from Canada.

She is ranked 56th on the WPBA right now - a young player in her early 20s(?). Larry Nevel is her teacher.

She's definitely got game and has made quite a name for herself as a road warrior. If I'm not mistaken though, she won't be moving up in the WPBA ranks anytime soon. I believe her no show in Vegas got her suspended for the rest of the season. She & Larry broke up quite awhile back so I doubt he's still coaching her but I'm sure she learned quite a bit while she was with him.

 

[sjm]

Rachael Abbink from Canada.

I read this in Inside Pool or Billiards Digest, but she plays men for money all the time......with no fear. She takes their money. I saw her play in Frederick and picked her to be in the top 10 soon. Just like I picked Ga Young Kim to be a world beater a few years back because she shoots 9 ball like a man. So does Rachael. They both have very decent breaks. Rachael, like Ga Young, is very aggresive - not afraid to bank, not afraid to spin 3 rails, etc.

Despite several attempts in WPBA events, Rachael Abbink (whose best finish is 17th, I believe) has no high finshes at that level. Maybe she knows how to beat men, but she has yet to show that she can beat the top women. Cracking the Top 10 on the WPBA tour is tough, repeat tough! And it's getting tougher. Assuming the arrival of Jasmin Ouschan, it's quite possible that Allison Fisher, Karen Corr, Kelly Fisher, Ga Yong Kim, and Jasmin Ouschan will be in a five way race for #1. Reaching the second five would require replacing names like Jeanette Lee, Vivian Villareal, Monica Webb, Gerda Hofstatter, and Helena Thornfeldt. it will also require holding off Top 16 seed players whose rankings have been on the rise of late, like Melissa Herndon, Jennifer Barretta, and Tiffany Nelson. And let's not overlook Wendy Jans, who, in her second WPBA event ever, placed 9th at the 2005 Women's BCA Open.

Also, Ga Young Kim does not play nineball like a man. She does, at times, have the aggressiveness of a top male pro, but her pattern play is well below men's world class level. Also, her fairly weak and highly underdeveloped defensive play doesn't kill her at women's pro level, but it would cost her a lot at top men's level. I'd guess there are two hundred men in the world that can comfortably spot her four games on eleven.

 

[Walter N.]

In Denver

Bill S. and Helena T. Gambled for Three hundred a set. This was about 2 years ago. She had asked him if he wanted to play for five hundred, he said we'll start off at three and work our way up. He beat her the first set 9-5 She won the second set 9-7 and than he destroyed her 9-2 she quit after that.

 

[Salamander]

I'm surprised about this actually. If you are talking about Skinner, he should not beat Helena on paper. But on any given day I suppose that he could beat someone of that caliber.

This is an interesting topic. There are three women pros in the Denver area that I know of...Laura Smith, Melissa Little, and Megan Minerich. I've never really thought that Melissa could play that great, but she did do fairly well in Reno. I've seen her lose many times to absolute nobody's in local tournaments.

As for Megan, I'm shocked she even was able to make the womens tour.

As for Laura, this woman is scary good when she is on. If the woman had a good break, she would have much better results on tour. She also has a great attitude and discipline to be top notch. She does not practice much.

Overall, I'd say that a male A player can can play with any of them.

Just my opinion,

Doug

Bill S. and Helena T. Gambled for Three hundred a set. This was about 2 years ago. She had asked him if he wanted to play for five hundred, he said we'll start off at three and work our way up. He beat her the first set 9-5 She won the second set 9-7 and than he destroyed her 9-2 she quit after that.

 

[Walter N.]

I'm surprised about this actually. If you are talking about Skinner, he should not beat Helena on paper. But on any given day I suppose that he could beat someone of that caliber.

This is an interesting topic. There are three women pros in the Denver area that I know of...Laura Smith, Melissa Little, and Megan Minerich. I've never really thought that Melissa could play that great, but she did do fairly well in Reno. I've seen her lose many times to absolute nobody's in local tournaments.

As for Megan, I'm shocked she even was able to make the womens tour.

As for Laura, this woman is scary good when she is on. If the woman had a good break, she would have much better results on tour. She also has a great attitude and discipline to be top notch. She does not practice much.

Overall, I'd say that a male A player can can play with any of them.

Just my opinion,

Doug

Yes, it was Skinner who beat her. He had back surgery about a year and half ago, so his game is not what it used to be, but he can shot some pool. Megan's game has come up over the past couple of years. I think for every male pro there are two or three amateurs that play just as good, As for the women I think it is cool to have them in the sport there is not alot of women that play the game on a consistent basis. Ever walk into a pool hall on monday. See the problem is that most women have lives. Now the guy who has been divorced 5 times lives in the pool hall. so we have to encourage and support the few women who want to learn the game. After all telling the same stories about male road players gets old after awhile.

 

[Snapshot9]

So I am, am I

full of it, huh. Well, I have played 43 years, and I was on the road at 18 (and
known at that time as 'Mako' which means little shark in case you didn't know), and I have played my share of men and women pros during that time.
Boston Shorty, Jersey Red, and the Taylor brothers were down in Houston when I lived there. Didn't play the former, but I played with the Taylor brothers quite a bit. Alfie Taylor was 9 ball Champion of Texas at the time.
I lived in Indy for a year, and tried to match up for $1,000-1,500 a set, and
none of the A players in town would play. Someone was going to get George to play me, but he was on the road at that time. I did help a team that had taken 2nd for 4 years running, win 1st in the city that year. And I did win
the Kansas State BCA Championship 2 years ago at age 55.

The point I was trying to get across is that women professional pool has come a long way, they are definitely getting better, and the bar is being raised, but it is not to the level that men professional pool is yet. There are a lot of women, that might play women good, but do not play men as good, and if you have played for a number of years, I am sure you have seen this at some level. On the other hand, there are some men that it bothers them to play a woman, but that is strictly a mental thing.

If you want specific reasons why I do not think women pros are at the level
of men pros, I will give them to you. if you want.

No, I am not a world beater, and I chose college over trying to turn pro
when I was 23 and just back from Nam, but I have got some game, and if
you get out my way, we can play.

 

[cuesmith]

Obviously, there is no room for debate that if straight pool is included in the equation, Jean was clearly the best all-around woman player ever.

Well, maybe if you want to set the criteria that way! How about if you include all cue sports? (hint snooker)

Do you still think she has a lock on "best all-around woman player"??

just more hot air!


Sherm

 

[sjm]

Well, maybe if you want to set the criteria that way! How about if you include all cue sports? (hint snooker)

Do you still think she has a lock on "best all-around woman player"??

just more hot air!


Sherm

Point well taken, Sherm. Then again, snooker isn't pool, and this thread is about pool.

Best all around woman player of cue sports ever ---- now that's an interest debate for another time and another thread.

 

[Williebetmore]

In the past year a friend of mine gave Jeanette Lee the 7 ball playing 9 ball and beat her. He next tried to play her husband, George Breedlove, even and lost. This will tell you the speed of this player. He told me that Jeanette was agreeing to play him some more with the 7 IF she could have someone else break the balls for her (I have seen Jeff Beckley do this for her while she gambles before). I now read where Jeanette is having back surgery so this could be a reason for her not being able to compete with a solid road player with the 7....or maybe even with a good back and her break it still would not be enough.

Watchez,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. If any of the women mentioned on this thread could have a designated breaker; WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! Nine-ball is a game that depends so heavily on the break that, in the case of the very top women players, may be the only thing that separates them from the men. Who really wants action from Allison if she has Bustamante break for her??

 

[LastTwo]

full of it, huh. Well, I have played 43 years, and I was on the road at 18 (and
known at that time as 'Mako' which means little shark in case you didn't know), and I have played my share of men and women pros during that time.
Boston Shorty, Jersey Red, and the Taylor brothers were down in Houston when I lived there. Didn't play the former, but I played with the Taylor brothers quite a bit. Alfie Taylor was 9 ball Champion of Texas at the time.
I lived in Indy for a year, and tried to match up for $1,000-1,500 a set, and
none of the A players in town would play. Someone was going to get George to play me, but he was on the road at that time. I did help a team that had taken 2nd for 4 years running, win 1st in the city that year. And I did win
the Kansas State BCA Championship 2 years ago at age 55.

The point I was trying to get across is that women professional pool has come a long way, they are definitely getting better, and the bar is being raised, but it is not to the level that men professional pool is yet. There are a lot of women, that might play women good, but do not play men as good, and if you have played for a number of years, I am sure you have seen this at some level. On the other hand, there are some men that it bothers them to play a woman, but that is strictly a mental thing.

If you want specific reasons why I do not think women pros are at the level
of men pros, I will give them to you. if you want.

No, I am not a world beater, and I chose college over trying to turn pro
when I was 23 and just back from Nam, but I have got some game, and if
you get out my way, we can play.

Do you have any proof you won that big tournament in Kansas? A link or anything?

 

[bluekckid]

Cory Dueal

Cory won the U.S.open final with the soft break, (11-0) well every match he played that year,and ESPN 7-ball twice,I wonder if hes useing it at the WPC this year.

 

[JAM]

I do not know of any lady player in today's times who can keep up with the males in action games. This is not to say that some ladies do not have gamble.

Rachel Abblink from Canada was the only lady to compete in the Carolinas Open last year. Between tournament matches, there was quite a bit of action. Rachel was in the thick of it and having a blast. She is not only a pretty lady, but she's got personality to boot.

She ended up matching up with Pookie, a Virginian young gun, getting a ridiculous spot of the 5, 7, 8, and 9, with Larry Nevel as her designated breaker. She did barbecue Pookie, but not without a little help from her friend!

Picture of Larry, Rachel, and Keith taken at the 2004 Carolinas Open!

JAM

 

[blah blah]

So I guess your saying that Jeannette uses "sharking tactics" .....Saying something like above is similar to the "do you push or pull your club on takeaway while putting"....It's a sharking tactic....

I am sure Jeannette would love to hear that she is being classified as a person that needs to use sharking tactics to win a set........Yeah sure thats really very funny..... ....NICE JOB....

yeah, whatever, dude. read whatever you want.

 

[LastTwo]

So I guess your saying that Jeannette uses "sharking tactics" .....Saying something like above is similar to the "do you push or pull your club on takeaway while putting"....It's a sharking tactic....

I am sure Jeannette would love to hear that she is being classified as a person that needs to use sharking tactics to win a set........Yeah sure thats really very funny..... ....NICE JOB....

Richard usually you make really intelligent posts but you make absoloutely no sense here. The guy was just telling us what he saw. You are putting words in his mouth, and taking a jab at him because he is telling us a true story. Nice job

 

[Snapshot9]

proof ...

Do you have any proof you won that big tournament in Kansas? A link or anything?

I don't know if anything would be on the net now since it was 2 years ago,
but you can email Allen Ashley at Gr8Pool@hotmail.com, he was the
tournament director, and is president of Gr8Pool promotions. The
tournament was held at SidePockets Billiards at Tyler and Kellog in
Wichita, Ks. in March 2003. I won the individual championship of
the Kansas State BCA championship, and Team USA, my team for
which I was captain, won the team championship.