Another tip...

[Blackjack]

Can't help but wonder how many on here just had an aneurysm after reading your brief statement.

You were a pro, so everything you say must be gospel. Yet, you made the sacrilegious statement of saying that center ball is your friend.

What to do? What to do?

C'mon, Neil ... Willie said it, too!

(and I'm no Willie!)

 

[336Robin]

Thanks

I'll give it a shot...If I can,I'm going to cut it as much as I can because that's going to let me have the biggest pocket as I can get. If that's not the answer you are looking for,we'll try again. Thanks,John B.

Thanks John,
I will go at it from that perspective and see what I can come up with. That sounds pretty sound that way I will get used to a uniform angle coming off the rail.

 

[sfleinen]

I'll give it a shot...If I can,I'm going to cut it as much as I can because that's going to let me have the biggest pocket as I can get. If that's not the answer you are looking for,we'll try again. Thanks,John B.

336Robin:

This was the "revolutionized my bank game" thing that I mentioned in another post that John's DVD did for me. I used to use spin "all the time" for banks, thinking it was helping me. With one pocket, I was able to get away with that, because as long as I carefully controlled where the cue ball went, the disaster-impact of a miss (or hanging the ball up in the hole) wasn't as bad as full-bore bank pool.

John's DVD shows you how to change the reflection angle of the bank to make it more perpendicular to the pocket -- taking as much advantage of that pocket's aperture as possible. Using no spin on the cue ball, cutting the object ball as much as you can, and using the CIT of the hit + a very firm stroke helps achieve that change in the reflection angle.

Definitely recommend John's DVD -- he covers a lot more than what I hors d'oeuvre'ed you with.

-Sean

 

[DaveK]

C'mon, Neil ... Willie said it, too!

(and I'm no Willie!)

Maybe not, but it is good to see you back posting. All the best David !

Dave

 

[Neil]

C'mon, Neil ... Willie said it, too!

(and I'm no Willie!)

I know he did. And I totally agree with it. My point is that some on here equate staying to center ball for the most part as extreme beginner play, and anyone that teaches that should not be listened to for anything.

The same people feel that whatever any pro says is gospel. So, now you have the two conflicting with each other, and I imagine some on here just blew a fuse because their whole world just got turned upside down.

 

[336Robin]

Simplicity

336Robin:

This was the "revolutionized my bank game" thing that I mentioned in another post that John's DVD did for me. I used to use spin "all the time" for banks, thinking it was helping me. With one pocket, I was able to get away with that, because as long as I carefully controlled where the cue ball went, the disaster-impact of a miss (or hanging the ball up in the hole) wasn't as bad as full-bore bank pool.

John's DVD shows you how to change the reflection angle of the bank to make it more perpendicular to the pocket -- taking as much advantage of that pocket's aperture as possible. Using no spin on the cue ball, cutting the object ball as much as you can, and using the CIT of the hit + a very firm stroke helps achieve that change in the reflection angle.

Definitely recommend John's DVD -- he covers a lot more than what I hors d'oeuvre'ed you with.

-Sean

I got ya Sean. I agree using a lot of spin is harder to control. I try to make as many things as I can similar before I start applying feel to it. I do have Johns dvd. There is a wealth of knowledge in it thats for sure. One Pocket Banks are awesome because of the need for speed control.

 

[Banks]

Maybe not, but it is good to see you back posting. All the best David !

Dave

Here's my +1 for the day.

 

[DTL]

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[justadub]

Maybe not, but it is good to see you back posting. All the best David !

Dave

Add my plus 1, as well.

 

[DTL]

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[AtLarge]

I always got taught to bridge on a snooker table....get down as if you were going to use the brown on its spot as the cue ball and your bridge should be on or close to the edge of the D in baulk. As it stands today my bridge has gotten longer and longer and now bridge around and inch and a half behind the D in baulk...not sure how that relates to inches, many wont know how far back the edge of the D is in snooker...that goes for me too! ...

I looked it up. A 6x12 snooker table apparently has a D of radius 11½". So if you bridge 1½" behind the D, that would be 13" from the spot on which the brown sits. And since the balls are about 2 1/16" in diameter, or just over an inch in radius, your bridge would be just a tad under 12" from the closest part of the brown.

 

[Pidge]

Are you using a snooker cue or pool cue?..........tapers are very different and I suppose deflection (squirt) and swerve are different as well?

Its with both types of cues. Its worth mentioning I play with 11mm shafts for pool also so there is very little difference. I've played with 13mm shafts but the cues are all the same length so I naturally bridge at my bridge length for any cue. That being said I use back hand English in pool and my cues pivot point is 15.5 inches roughly so I bridge that far on shots with side, quite a decent sized difference from what AtLarge figured my bridge to be (good work on that by the way ).

Squirt, SIT, swerve and all that other technical stuff is different between both sports. Most noticeable to me would be SIT. Took me a while to get used to this when I made the switch.

 

[John Brumback]

The geometry is rather simple. The longer the bridge, the greater an error in the backswing translates to an error at the tip. This is easily proven or demonstrated if not intuitive.

I may be wrong but what I think John means is a longer bridge is more conducive to a smooth, fluid stroke while a shorter bridge may encourage a shorter stab type stroke.

Hard to argue with John on the stroke, he has one of the straightest, smoothest and most rhythmic strokes I've ever seen. I think this is the key to why he is the greatest bank pool player ever. The speed consistency of his "standard" preferred bank shot stroke is phenomenal. It's a shame professional pool doesn't offer more significant financial rewards, more people would get to see just how great a player John Brumback really is.

Yes that's what I mean and thanks. JB

 

[John Brumback]

Ahem....A pro player was just giving his perspective on the stroke on a pool site..What the XXXX just happened. It is easier to make a long stroke smooth is my opinion. My opinion on Fox news and Goebbles I will keep to myself.

LOL,that cracked me up good..John B.

 

[Spimp13]

Lighten up folks, the man made a comparison about how information flows. Understand the message rather than attack it. In our wonderful game of pool there has been a lot of poor information flowing for a long long time. We are extremely fortunate to have the Internet to share knowledge and ideas, and to have many outstanding contributers here on AZ.

Dave

Dave, my post wasn't directed to any one individual. While I don't mind a spirited debate occasionally, the posts were starting to derail (attacking each other etc) what is a solid thread from a professional player. That was my only request. Carry on playas!

 

[SmoothStroke]

Single hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball.

Players are taught to use the catapult loading system to hit.
The purpose of the system is to shorten up the swing for better accuracy to hit the ball square. Overall the greatest hitters have a compact stroke, although it is sometimes hard to detect.
The greatest hitting coaches were not the greatest hitters, they get paid millions.
I have taught this system.

For pool players, a long pretty stroke does not mean it is right. While I agree longer is better, I don't agree that long all the way through is the only way and best way.
The longer the distance the backhand has to propel mass, forward, and straight, the better chance it has to go off line. If you have a 14 inch bridge you do not need to pull back on the delivery stroke 14 inches for a smooth transition and get action on the cue ball.

Many top players with long, pretty preliminary strokes, pull back shorter on the delivery stroke, and it is smooth. They may have an 11 inch bridge and pull back 6 inches or less for delivery.

A smooth, fluid stroke comes from transition from back to forward delivery, it does not matter how long the bridge is, as long as you are not choking the chicken, even when choking it you can deliver smooth.

Last time this came up I referenced Alex, check out Lee Van Corteza playing in the 2014 world 9 ball and you will see, his is easier to see as it is more pronounced.

As for a herky, jerky, jab stroke, not too many people wanted any part of Alan for the cash, in all games.
Different strokes for different folks

 

[alstl]

Single hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball.

Players are taught to use the catapult loading system to hit.
The purpose of the system is to shorten up the swing for better accuracy to hit the ball square. Overall the greatest hitters have a compact stroke, although it is sometimes hard to detect.
The greatest hitting coaches were not the greatest hitters, they get paid millions.
I have taught this system.

For pool players, a long pretty stroke does not mean it is right. While I agree longer is better, I don't agree that long all the way through is the only way and best way.
The longer the distance the backhand has to propel mass, forward, and straight, the better chance it has to go off line. If you have a 14 inch bridge you do not need to pull back on the delivery stroke 14 inches for a smooth transition and get action on the cue ball.

Many top players with long, pretty preliminary strokes, pull back shorter on the delivery stroke, and it is smooth. They may have an 11 inch bridge and pull back 6 inches or less for delivery.

A smooth, fluid stroke comes from transition from back to forward delivery, it does not matter how long the bridge is, as long as you are not choking the chicken, even when choking it you can deliver smooth.

Last time this came up I referenced Alex, check out Lee Van Corteza playing in the 2014 world 9 ball and you will see, his is easier to see as it is more pronounced.

As for a herky, jerky, jab stroke, not too many people wanted any part of Alan for the cash, in all games.
Different strokes for different folks

I've seen a lot of people hit a baseball. I doubt many of them could run a marathon.

 

[supergreenman]

If you want a herky jerk ugly stroke.....just use a short bridge,that'll do it for ya. I keep reading comments that go something like this......"oh hey,you better start out using a short bridge,cause your not good enough yet to use a long one". That's the biggest load of crap that I have read on here in a long time. I would start a 2 year old out with a long bridge if I wanted him or her to get good. I'm thinking this might be one of the biggest and worst myths that I have ever read. The length of your bridge has nothing to do with and will not fix your crooked stroke. A crooked stroke is caused by your back hand and a short bridge will not fix that. John B.

PS: where do people come up with some of this stuff???

The internet................... <----- probably has been said at least once on this thread but I didn't read it before posting.

 

[DaveK]

Carry on playas!

All good my friend ! And thank you John for these threads and your fine offer to help via PMs :thumbup:

Dave <-- off to make an NPR post wishing yall a happy 4th of July :smile:

 

[John Brumback]

Single hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball.

Players are taught to use the catapult loading system to hit.
The purpose of the system is to shorten up the swing for better accuracy to hit the ball square. Overall the greatest hitters have a compact stroke, although it is sometimes hard to detect.
The greatest hitting coaches were not the greatest hitters, they get paid millions.
I have taught this system.

For pool players, a long pretty stroke does not mean it is right. While I agree longer is better, I don't agree that long all the way through is the only way and best way.
The longer the distance the backhand has to propel mass, forward, and straight, the better chance it has to go off line. If you have a 14 inch bridge you do not need to pull back on the delivery stroke 14 inches for a smooth transition and get action on the cue ball.

Many top players with long, pretty preliminary strokes, pull back shorter on the delivery stroke, and it is smooth. They may have an 11 inch bridge and pull back 6 inches or less for delivery.

A smooth, fluid stroke comes from transition from back to forward delivery, it does not matter how long the bridge is, as long as you are not choking the chicken, even when choking it you can deliver smooth.

Last time this came up I referenced Alex, check out Lee Van Corteza playing in the 2014 world 9 ball and you will see, his is easier to see as it is more pronounced.

As for a herky, jerky, jab stroke, not too many people wanted any part of Alan for the cash, in all games.
Different strokes for different folks

Yeah but how many Allens have you seen?? I got plenty of time,lol. John B.