Another video from Stan: The How vs. The Why

eddie0776 said:
I know stan can play, but I want to see the followers of these systems that say this system is better than that one. Stan has been playing very well for years before CTE come out. We have seen members banned over and over because of these threads and I would like to see how well they play using these systems. I find that they all have good points and drawbacks. For me if the idea is to make a cinch shot where the main focus is only on making the ball with position not being a big priority then any of the systems are great. But if you have to move the cue ball around the table then there are several new variables that have to be calculated for. This is not disputable by anyone that has been playing for any length of time. I have been playing for 30 years on all of the different type of tables, felts, rails, balls as well as shafts (high deflection and low deflection). You can go to a couple of different pool rooms within 20 miles of each other and the tables will play totally different. So if you use inside English at one room you might get 1/4 inch skid but at the other room it could be 1/2-3/4 inch skid. These are the reasons that people have a hard time with the systems. If you play only center English then these systems will work for you but your chances of running out are over and over are slim. Guys if just using these systems was the key then Stan, Stevie Moore and CJ would never loose a tourney but none of them have won one in quite some time. So lets see how well y'all use these systems running racks.
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Just because we use CTE doesn't mean we don't take all the other things into consideration when we play. Any video will look like a normal player playing. You won't know the difference and will argue that we aren't really using cte.
 
Vorpal Cue said:
You're right, it will be a disaster for a while. It's uncomfortable and cramped at first and it takes some table time to get all the pieces working together. The body motions are different along with the sight picture. I can understand why some players are unwilling to change their style of play. The solution for you is simple: FORGETABOUTIT. If you're not going to work it on the table you'll never understand it.
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No.

Not for a while, perhaps permanently. Overall, what I have observed is that players are very limited in how they shoot pool. It's why you see guys playing the same after 10, 20, 30, 40 years of play. They do what is comfortable, natural, and innate. When you start fooking around with that and giving them all kinds of little movements and dances to do, they might, to use your words "for a while" make something work.

But pool players will always revert to what is comfortable, natural, and organic. Whatever it is that works and makes them a better player needs to be homogenous to their natural approach to the table and frankly, all these sweeps/pivots/slides, are going to condemn many a player to eternal pool perdition.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Yes, I can shoot CP method quite well until it comes to the >45 angles. You won't get crippled catch scabies and only one reported case of kooties so far.
 
cookie man said:
Just because we use CTE doesn't mean we don't take all the other things into consideration when we play. Any video will look like a normal player playing. You won't know the difference and will argue that we aren't really using cte.
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So you wont pivot or sweep? That is generally pretty obvious to see..:scratchhead:
 
cookie man said:
Just because we use CTE doesn't mean we don't take all the other things into consideration when we play. Any video will look like a normal player playing. You won't know the difference and will argue that we aren't really using cte.
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Either way, how good do these people play? They are getting banned left and right just talking about it so I just want to see how good they play. We have seen how Lou plays when he played JB back when JB was professing how CTE was the best and Lou couldn't beat him. That was some of the funniest times on here. The way JB was talking, he was playing low A speed running the roads playing everyone he could find.....then the match comes. I don't think he represented CTE that well in the match with Lou....do you? Lets see some videos of people playing games, not just shots, using CTE. I have seen Stan play and have played with Stevie many times so I know how they play, I want to see the people on here use it.
 
eddie0776 said:
Either way, how good do these people play? They are getting banned left and right just talking about it so I just want to see how good they play. We have seen how Lou plays when he played JB back when JB was professing how CTE was the best and Lou couldn't beat him. That was some of the funniest times on here. The way JB was talking, he was playing low A speed running the roads playing everyone he could find.....then the match comes. I don't think he represented CTE that well in the match with Lou....do you? Lets see some videos of people playing games, not just shots, using CTE. I have seen Stan play and have played with Stevie many times so I know how they play, I want to see the people on here use it.
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For years and years, going back to RSB, JB has been one of the biggest advocates of CTE.

In the months before the match John claimed to have improved "two balls" at least twice, maybe three times. A four to six ball swing in performance, lol, all attributable to CTE and a good number of hours spent getting personal instruction from Stan at his home. During the match he hit a couple of good shots and cried out, "CTE! That's what I'm talking about" or words to that effect. But, alas, those kinds of shots were few and far between, more the exception than the rule.

So it would be good to see video of the few guys here claiming how wondrous CTE is and to show us all what monster players they are using the system.

Lou Figueroa
or not
 
lfigueroa said:
For years and years, going back to RSB, JB has been one of the biggest advocates of CTE.

In the months before the match John claimed to have improved "two balls" at least twice, maybe three times. A four to six ball swing in performance, lol, all attributable to CTE and a good number of hours spent getting personal instruction from Stan at his home. During the match he hit a couple of good shots and cried out, "CTE! That's what I'm talking about" or words to that effect. But, alas, those kinds of shots were few and far between, more the exception than the rule.

So it would be good to see video of the few guys here claiming how wondrous CTE is and to show us all what monster players they are using the system.

Lou Figueroa
or not
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I had so much fun back then with yall and SJD!

I am not knocking their system because it has its purpose and place but its not a cure all. Some of these folks I think are lower speed players that CTE has helped and that is awesome, but it is not the magical fix to go from being a C player to an A speed player. If I have learned anything over the past 30 years of playing is that there is no singular way of playing this game. Every table is different and you have to be able to adjust to the table and conditions in the room. If they think different then I would be more than happy to show them around Atlanta. Every room has tables that play different.
 
eddie0776 said:
Either way, how good do these people play? They are getting banned left and right just talking about it so I just want to see how good they play. We have seen how Lou plays when he played JB back when JB was professing how CTE was the best and Lou couldn't beat him. That was some of the funniest times on here. The way JB was talking, he was playing low A speed running the roads playing everyone he could find.....then the match comes. I don't think he represented CTE that well in the match with Lou....do you? Lets see some videos of people playing games, not just shots, using CTE. I have seen Stan play and have played with Stevie many times so I know how they play, I want to see the people on here use it.
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No i don't think he represented CTE very well. I think the pressure and the threat at the beginning of the match got to him. But that has been over discussed already, no need to get back into that discussion.
 
eddie0776 said:
I had so much fun back then with yall and SJD!

I am not knocking their system because it has its purpose and place but its not a cure all. Some of these folks I think are lower speed players that CTE has helped and that is awesome, but it is not the magical fix to go from being a C player to an A speed player. If I have learned anything over the past 30 years of playing is that there is no singular way of playing this game. Every table is different and you have to be able to adjust to the table and conditions in the room. If they think different then I would be more than happy to show them around Atlanta. Every room has tables that play different.
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What makes you think a CTE player doesn't adjust to playing conditions? pretty absurd assumption.
 
Dan White said:
What do you mean by offset? If I shoot left eye dominant, center or right eye behind the shot line where does "offset" come in? The offset I'm aware of is pivoting the cue to the shot line so that the cue is now "offset" to the aim line when you got down on the shot. So for players that don't do that, how do you know they are using some kind of offset?
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When you shoot a straight in shot, are you visually down the line and matching your delivery to it?

John mora possibly will shoot a zero angle in that manner but he offsets his head, so his chin is on the right side of the cue from his perspective. I assume he is retaining a visual line that is down the line of the target or what appears to be so from his visual perspective.

This is an example of what I mean by offset.

What you are asking in the form of a pivot is what I prefer to call a shaft angle bias or what Stan refers to as an angled cue.

I rarely shoot with a angled cue to my vision line because I offset my whole alignment toward a left, right or middle bias. If I have a ton of left English on the cb, my visual is still a straight cue to the target but the visual picture is what I call a "flag" because the cb appears 90 degrees to the right of my tip back up the shaft. The right edge of the flag being the cue ball right edge, is now the contact point that visual meets the contact point of ob.

So, where is the fkn deflection "sqwirt" now that I'm aiming parallel down the line that everyone keeps yapping about? The deflection is neutralized because my entire delivery alignment is "offset" to allow it, thus it's not parallel that causes the sqwirt effect because English is English.

This is why backhand English is preferred but all that is, is a angled cue and that's fine but how the hell does one judge that "pivot" accurately when cb/ob relationships are out in space and ob is not near a pocket?

You gonna aim for me boy and you better aim good......sqweal like a sow, sqweeeee! Loud'uh......SQWEEEEEEEEE!!!
 
paultex said:
When you shoot a straight in shot, are you visually down the line and matching your delivery to it?
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I still don't understand what you mean. When I shoot a straight in shot, the inner part of my right eye is over the cue and over the shot line. I used to play with my inner left eye over the cue and over the shot line. Is either of these and example of an offset?

To me, an offset is something like getting ready to hit the ball and then doing something like applying back hand english to change the direction of the cue vs what you set up for initially.
 
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