Any one with legal expertise, i have a question.

obrien714

obrien714

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I moved from Vegas to Pennsylvania in october. I hired a shipping company to move my stuff. It was a mom and pop shipper i hired thru USHIP.com an internet bid company that provides shipping. The shipment was supposed to be all delivered at one time. They didnt tell me til after they got to the delivery site that their truck wasnt big enough to take everything. They would have to do 2 shipments. They deliver the first part of my shipment in December and tell me once the weather breaks in March they would bring my trailer. In my trailer is my pool cue collection. Come march 1 I email and try to get the shipment in motion. I also let them know the value of the cues I have and tell them the importance of having them delivered due to the heat issues and cues. They say they are working on a schedule to have my shipment delivered. April comes, I email and same reply. May comes same thing. June comes and I call them. They tell me they crashed their only truck and have no idea as to when they will be able to ship my items. They tell me they suggest I get some one else. I was shocked and asked if you have one truck and crash it, why wouldnt you tell your customers. I asked when it happened and they said march. I asked why this could go til june and them never mention this knowing the urgency of the items I had in the trailer. His reply was I couldn't see the future to know when we would be able to ship the items.

I hired another shipper who had the items here in 5 days. They arrive and my cues are ruined. All the Glue lines around all rings joints and shafts are raised and lifted. I have some high dollar cues. Black Boar rs3 , Lambros 6 Pointer, Gracio TITLIST, Manzino TITLIST( ivory joint split down the middle) and many fancy sneakies including a 1992 Mottey and a Lambros.

Is there any legal route I could take against these people.

Any info would be appreciated.

I will add I know I should have asked for insurance policy from them, I know I took a cheaper route. They had a good feedback on the website just like ebay system. The other option was to hire a moving company that would have charged me 10k to move the stuff. I unfortunatley didnt have that kind of money. We moved home on short notice to care for an ill family member.

to update my post and inform you all why i didnt take the cues with me. I drove my 350z convertible on the trip. I had enough room for my dad and my duffle bags and thats it...

why didnt i ship them, if you belong to azb im sure you have heard of the shipping nightmares.

I also figured the shipment would take 2 weeks at the max and i would have my cues.
 
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That sux. I hope you get this resolved but unfortunatly the saying goes, you get what you pay for. Why would you not have these items insured or ask about insurance before accepting the contract.
 
I have no expertise in anything.

But I looked at the UShip website, as you probably did, too, and they recommend that you:
--Inform UShip,
--Report the incident to the local, state, federal agencies,
--File a report with the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Admin,
--File a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center.

There's more. Go To Their Link Here and look under "Ship with Confidence".... The steps above have links.
 
Unfortunately I don't think you can do anything about it. Seeing that when the cues were delivered there wasn't any physical damage that the shipper did to it.

Nobody touched your cues except the elements....heat. Something they are not responsible for. You should have personally handled the cues yourself.

It's like me putting $100 box of chocolate and expecting it to get here without harm.

The shipping company would probably just consider the cues as a perishable item...they are kind of like that for us, enthusiasts.
 
The truth is you will probably not get any money back. Try the lawyer route if you want, but even if you win a judgement, they can claim bankruptcy. Sorry about your loss. Maybe they will at least refund the money for 1/2 the shipment and the cues can be repaired. Good luck, John
 
i think your only avenue for compensation is a suit for breach of contract, as long as the original contract actually stated that the entire shipment would be delivered at once, and on a particular date.

you might be able to recoup some of your expenses there and repair or replace what you can that way.
 
obrien714 said:
I moved from Vegas to Pennsylvania in october. I hired a shipping company to move my stuff. It was a mom and pop shipper i hired thru USHIP.com an internet bid company that provides shipping. The shipment was supposed to be all delivered at one time. They didnt tell me til after they got to the delivery site that their truck wasnt big enough to take everything. They would have to do 2 shipments. They deliver the first part of my shipment in December and tell me once the weather breaks in March they would bring my trailer. In my trailer is my pool cue collection. Come march 1 I email and try to get the shipment in motion. I also let them know the value of the cues I have and tell them the importance of having them delivered due to the heat issues and cues. They say they are working on a schedule to have my shipment delivered. April comes, I email and same reply. May comes same thing. June comes and I call them. They tell me they crashed their only truck and have no idea as to when they will be able to ship my items. They tell me they suggest I get some one else. I was shocked and asked if you have one truck and crash it, why wouldnt you tell your customers. I asked when it happened and they said march. I asked why this could go til june and them never mention this knowing the urgency of the items I had in the trailer. His reply was I couldn't see the future to know when we would be able to ship the items.

I hired another shipper who had the items here in 5 days. They arrive and my cues are ruined. All the Glue lines around all rings joints and shafts are raised and lifted. I have some high dollar cues. Black Boar rs3 , Lambros 6 Pointer, Gracio TITLIST, Manzino TITLIST( ivory joint split down the middle) and many fancy sneakies including a 1992 Mottey and a Lambros.

Is there any legal route I could take against these people.

Any info would be appreciated.

I will add I know I should have asked for insurance policy from them, I know I took a cheaper route. They had a good feedback on the website just like ebay system. The other option was to hire a moving company that would have charged me 10k to move the stuff. I unfortunatley didnt have that kind of money. We moved home on short notice to care for an ill family member.
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Man, what a horror story! Do you have the correspondence in writing? That may help in recouping some of the losses. :(
 
I know this is hindsight and doesn't really help, but why would you ship your cues instead of taking them with you? It would be worth it to me to pack them in a suitcase and pay the $25 fee for additional baggage at the airport.

Again, not trying to be shitty, just trying to understand the mindset.

-Brandon
 
Nothing can be done and that is probably the end of it.

Like I said, they did not physically harm the cues....the heat damaged the cue.

The shipping company can turn around and say that the cues were built with poor quality and it's a perishable item that the owner should practice with extreme caution.

He can get perhaps get partial money for the late transport but not for the damaged cues.
 
brandoncook26 said:
I know this is hindsight and doesn't really help, but why would you ship your cues instead of taking them with you? It would be worth it to me to pack them in a suitcase and pay the $25 fee for additional baggage at the airport.

Again, not trying to be shitty, just trying to understand the mindset.

-Brandon
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yep.

I can only imagine if I had those cues...they would cause me to be concern and I would definitely be carrying those things with me.

Cues are a valuable possession and should be treated as such.
 
Thanks for the insight.

I drove a convertible 350z back from LV to PA couldnt bring them with me.

Ill look into the uship website.
 
I know that you are asking for legal information, and I know that whats done is done and talking about the past will not change anything, but for the love of god, if anybody ever want to move again or whatever, take your cues with you? I mean literally, put them into 2 or 3 cases, or even without a case, a bag would work, put them in the CAR with you, move them with your personal stuff, PLEASE.

don't do this to pool cues, it hurts me dearly :P

in another note, I'm sorry to hear about your cues, hopefully you can do something about it, and sue the first comapny USHIP, they deserve to loose a couple of millions, hate to hear things like this happens to pool cues.
 
When you file your Income Taxes you can deduct your UNINSURED/UNDER INSURED LOSS. That will no way cover what you lost, but will give you partial relief of some tax burden for TAX YEAR 2011.

Now you did not mention what the "mom and pop shipper" offer to do to make it right, or compensate you with a monetary settlement?
 
I can't believe some people think he should get some money when it is his fault.

What person who owns some nice cues, such as the OP, would think about throwing them in a moving truck.

You need to act with caution here....especially since we know how fragile these cues are under outside temperatures.

Who should I blame if my cues warped in the trunk of my car? Myself. Just like I would if I left them in a truck. I would be ashamed of what happened and my thread would be, "Can anyone fix these cues?"
 
dom_poppa said:
I can't believe some people think he should get some money when it is his fault.

What person who owns some nice cues, such as the OP, would think about throwing them in a moving truck.

You need to act with caution here....especially since we know how fragile these cues are under outside temperatures.

Who should I blame if my cues warped in the trunk of my car? Myself. Just like I would if I left them in a truck. I would be ashamed of what happened and my thread would be, "Can anyone fix these cues?"
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So you're saying that ANYTHING that is fragile or has any value shouldn't be left to professional movers? So the only things they should move is furniture (I mean furniture of no value since they can't be trusted with anything worth something)? If thats the case, he should of just moved himself. I'm not saying that the OP doesn't carry some blame if he went cheap and hired an uninsured or under insured company, but if he hired them and they originally said the job would be no problem and then changed the plans and then didn't follow up on those agreed upon plans, they deserve a majority of the blame.
 
beav99_4life said:
So you're saying that ANYTHING that is fragile or has any value shouldn't be left to professional movers? So the only things they should move is furniture (I mean furniture of no value since they can't be trusted with anything worth something)? If thats the case, he should of just moved himself. I'm not saying that the OP doesn't carry some blame if he went cheap and hired an uninsured or under insured company, but if he hired them and they originally said the job would be no problem and then changed the plans and then didn't follow up on those agreed upon plans, they deserve a majority of the blame.
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Some say IN GOD WE TRUST, OTHER PLEASE PUT IT IN WRITING. FYI most household movers include a certain amount on minimal insurance coverage that is so much per pound moved with each move, but in all honesty if your valuables are worth anything, the only way to protect them is with FULL VALUE INSURANCE COVERAGE.

Say you are moving from State to State and you household items, clothing, etc has a replacement value of 50K The Moving Company Semi Tractor Catches Fire, it spreads to the Semi Trailer with you move on board. The Fire happen in a Rural Area, and before the Fire Dept. is on scene, the tractor, trailer, and your stuff is ASHES. You have minimal basic free coverage because you did not buy full replacement coverage.

Well you are paid off by the POUND, and the Pound is determined by the Scale Weight of the move. Truck & Trailer before your move was loaded, Truck & Trailer after you move was loaded.
 
obrien714 said:
I moved from Vegas to Pennsylvania in october. I hired a shipping company to move my stuff. It was a mom and pop shipper i hired thru USHIP.com an internet bid company that provides shipping. The shipment was supposed to be all delivered at one time. They didnt tell me til after they got to the delivery site that their truck wasnt big enough to take everything. They would have to do 2 shipments. They deliver the first part of my shipment in December and tell me once the weather breaks in March they would bring my trailer. In my trailer is my pool cue collection. Come march 1 I email and try to get the shipment in motion. I also let them know the value of the cues I have and tell them the importance of having them delivered due to the heat issues and cues. They say they are working on a schedule to have my shipment delivered. April comes, I email and same reply. May comes same thing. June comes and I call them. They tell me they crashed their only truck and have no idea as to when they will be able to ship my items. They tell me they suggest I get some one else. I was shocked and asked if you have one truck and crash it, why wouldnt you tell your customers. I asked when it happened and they said march. I asked why this could go til june and them never mention this knowing the urgency of the items I had in the trailer. His reply was I couldn't see the future to know when we would be able to ship the items.

I hired another shipper who had the items here in 5 days. They arrive and my cues are ruined. All the Glue lines around all rings joints and shafts are raised and lifted. I have some high dollar cues. Black Boar rs3 , Lambros 6 Pointer, Gracio TITLIST, Manzino TITLIST( ivory joint split down the middle) and many fancy sneakies including a 1992 Mottey and a Lambros.

Is there any legal route I could take against these people.

Any info would be appreciated.

I will add I know I should have asked for insurance policy from them, I know I took a cheaper route. They had a good feedback on the website just like ebay system. The other option was to hire a moving company that would have charged me 10k to move the stuff. I unfortunatley didnt have that kind of money. We moved home on short notice to care for an ill family member.

to update my post and inform you all why i didnt take the cues with me. I drove my 350z convertible on the trip. I had enough room for my dad and my duffle bags and thats it...

why didnt i ship them, if you belong to azb im sure you have heard of the shipping nightmares.

I also figured the shipment would take 2 weeks at the max and i would have my cues.
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It sounds like the cues were exposed to humidity in the container as well as the high heat.

I think you're going to be OK with most of the cues as long as they didn't warp. It takes only something the width of a hair to feel the raised glue lines - which is more likely squeezed finish line creases from the swelling and contraction of the cues due to heat and moisture.

Once the cues acclimate, they should be able to be polished out by a good cue finisher and that will get rid of the raised clear coat. Why don't you check with a good cue refinisher and see what they can do?

I would also file a claim with the shipper but it doesn't sound like you'll get paid.

Chris
 
beav99_4life said:
So you're saying that ANYTHING that is fragile or has any value shouldn't be left to professional movers? So the only things they should move is furniture (I mean furniture of no value since they can't be trusted with anything worth something)? If thats the case, he should of just moved himself. I'm not saying that the OP doesn't carry some blame if he went cheap and hired an uninsured or under insured company, but if he hired them and they originally said the job would be no problem and then changed the plans and then didn't follow up on those agreed upon plans, they deserve a majority of the blame.
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I am not saying don't let movers transport your valuables because furniture is valuable but how many times have you heard glass or furniture or televisions by that matter get destroyed by temperature?...not very often.

Something that is as fragile as a pool cue, being held only by glue, is prone to be destroyed by heat. If an object fell on his cue case and destroyed the cue, then he may have a case against the moving company. It was physically untouched and the heat destroyed it. The OP blamed the delay on his cues getting destroyed, but nobody knows if the cue was destroyed by the length of time it sat there or the first hour he put the cue in that storage truck. Who knows but it could be negligence on his part.

Practice caution is all I am saying.
 
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