Any specific physical exercise you would recommend?

The main thing with fruit versus a starch vegetable (so that they both have similar amounts of sugar), is that the sugar in fruit is fructose. It can only be processed by the liver, and then it gets converted to glucose and send to the rest of the body. This can tax the liver. In the 60's / 70's, before they knew this, dr's would find people with severe liver damage and insists they were closet alcoholics. The fruit juices we all drink do the same thing to our livers as alcohol does, it just doesn't give us beer goggles:)

A great youtube video on this by an MD is called "sugar, the bitter truth".

Starchy vegetables have glucose, which all the cells in your body can use right away, without first going through the liver.

The above was comparing similar amounts of sugar between fruits and vegetables. The other very important consideration is most of us eat way too much sugar, period. So in that vein, eating more non-starchy vegetables, in the place of fruit, will help lower the overall sugar consumption. Now, this all assumes you eat no or little grains. Grains are all sugar. So if you eat a loaf of bread a day, or pasta, or oatmeal, etc. it really doesn't matter what you are doing with the fruit and vegetables.

Thanks Much.

I have never been healthy conscious, per say, But at 61 with a Grandchild & starting to feel some of the consequences of not being health conscious, I'm trying to change my ways, at least bit by bit as I can. I hope it's not too late.

Thanks Again,
Rick
 
Thanks Much.

I have never been healthy conscious, per say, But at 61 with a Grandchild & starting to feel some of the consequences of not being health conscious, I'm trying to change my ways, at least bit by bit as I can. I hope it's not too late.

Thanks Again,
Rick

Rick
At almost 66 i have a few years on you and wanted to warn you against weights (over your head). I tore a rotator cuff doing shoulder presses and it is a brutal rehab. Best bet is go for a personal trainer to get started. different than iusedtoberich i favor lighter weights ** NEVER OVER MY HEAD** focus on back, legs, core, and cardio. BTW I am 6'1" 160 don't carry much extra weight. diet = low fat (not obsessive) always cognizant of sugar (I drink a couple glasses of wine and tripple with some regularity). good luck with your fitness program.

Bert
 
Rick
At almost 66 i have a few years on you and wanted to warn you against weights (over your head). I tore a rotator cuff doing shoulder presses and it is a brutal rehab. Best bet is go for a personal trainer to get started. different than iusedtoberich i favor lighter weights ** NEVER OVER MY HEAD** focus on back, legs, core, and cardio. BTW I am 6'1" 160 don't carry much extra weight. diet = low fat (not obsessive) always cognizant of sugar (I drink a couple glasses of wine and tripple with some regularity). good luck with your fitness program.

Bert

Thanks Bert,

I never was into weight training, so no worries there.

I said I was becoming more health conscious. I did not say I was actually going to act on that.:wink:

Seriously, I've started walking, but I'm not sure that is best with my ruptured L5S1 disc.

The 2 bottles of wine thing sounds good though. Oh...wait...you said glasses. Shucks!

Thanks Again Bert & You Stay Well,
Rick
 
Makes sense, although I'm not sure about all those saturated fats. I think it may all be related to the level of activity. I think that none of this works unless you're at least fairly active during the day and workout regularly. I can't imagine a couch potato absorbing all that saturated fat.

I'm thinking it might be better to call it a diet/lifestyle for active people.

Your thinking on fats makes sense on the surface, but it's not based on actual physiology. Like IUTBR says, the old nutritional paradigms are based on antiquated research done over 60 years ago, and are just flat out wrong and very harmful. New research done over the last 20 years (much of it in Europe and China) into how the body metabolizes food paints a very different picture.

I've just recently been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes after being consider "pre-diabetic" (no such thing, really) for over 20 years. My doctor told me to cut way back on the carbs and to try my best to get my carbs from veggies and other slow-absorbing sources like beans. He said I also needed to increase my protein and fat consumption. Have a bigger burger... skip the roll mentality. Basic low-carb dietary philosophy, where saturated fats are definitely not the enemy.

Since my diagnosis just over three weeks ago, my blood glucose levels have dropped from a daily average (four blood readings per day) of about 150 mg/dl down to 125 mg/dl. I have been having fasting glucose levels below 115 most mornings. Still not where they should be, but lower than they've been in 20 years.

Below are a couple of charts of my progress over the last 23 days. The one on top is my daily averages, the chart on the bottom is a trend line showing the changes in all of the averages as calculated each day.

Best thing of all is that I have lost weight. Not sure how much (among men, only jockeys and fighters weigh themselves Lol), but I am already into a pair of pants I had lost all hope of ever fitting into again. But the real kicker is, I never feel hungry or have the urge to snack anymore. And I feel great, the best I've felt in years.

Bottom line is that refined carbs are bad for you, and any kind of carbs should be limited to less that 100 grams a day for most people. They lead to problems with hormonal regulation of blood sugars, which is the beginning of diabetes, heart disease, and obesity. I'm keeping my carbs at just under 60 grams total - what the original Atkins recommendations were - and it's working fine for me so far. IMO the reduction in my blood glucose levels nicely parallels the other immediate improvements I am seeing.

Sorry for the major hijack, I'm just so stoked about all this I have to share.
 

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Congratulations on your success.... that's great news about your improved numbers, Sloppy Pockets. There's no doubt that cutting out carbs has huge immediate benefits, however, I'm still thinking about the long-term effects of saturated fats. I think being physically active is going to be really important with this type of diet over the long term ---- Maybe not so much in the immediate future, but over the course of years.
 
Good for you and you weight loss and blood sugar improvement.

Do you find this diet hard to maintain, because of the carb restrictions? I followed the same type of diet some years ago, and was successful in losing over 30 lbs.

It was very hard for me to continue on it, when I stopped the diet the weight went back on.


Your thinking on fats makes sense on the surface, but it's not based on actual physiology. Like IUTBR says, the old nutritional paradigms are based on antiquated research done over 60 years ago, and are just flat out wrong and very harmful. New research done over the last 20 years (much of it in Europe and China) into how the body metabolizes food paints a very different picture.

I've just recently been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes after being consider "pre-diabetic" (no such thing, really) for over 20 years. My doctor told me to cut way back on the carbs and to try my best to get my carbs from veggies and other slow-absorbing sources like beans. He said I also needed to increase my protein and fat consumption. Have a bigger burger... skip the roll mentality. Basic low-carb dietary philosophy, where saturated fats are definitely not the enemy.

Since my diagnosis just over three weeks ago, my blood glucose levels have dropped from a daily average (four blood readings per day) of about 150 mg/dl down to 125 mg/dl. I have been having fasting glucose levels below 115 most mornings. Still not where they should be, but lower than they've been in 20 years.

Below are a couple of charts of my progress over the last 23 days. The one on top is my daily averages, the chart on the bottom is a trend line showing the changes in all of the averages as calculated each day.

Best thing of all is that I have lost weight. Not sure how much (among men, only jockeys and fighters weigh themselves Lol), but I am already into a pair of pants I had lost all hope of ever fitting into again. But the real kicker is, I never feel hungry or have the urge to snack anymore. And I feel great, the best I've felt in years.

Bottom line is that refined carbs are bad for you, and any kind of carbs should be limited to less that 100 grams a day for most people. They lead to problems with hormonal regulation of blood sugars, which is the beginning of diabetes, heart disease, and obesity. I'm keeping my carbs at just under 60 grams total - what the original Atkins recommendations were - and it's working fine for me so far. IMO the reduction in my blood glucose levels nicely parallels the other immediate improvements I am seeing.

Sorry for the major hijack, I'm just so stoked about all this I have to share.
 
Good for you and you weight loss and blood sugar improvement.

Do you find this diet hard to maintain, because of the carb restrictions? I followed the same type of diet some years ago, and was successful in losing over 30 lbs.

It was very hard for me to continue on it, when I stopped the diet the weight went back on.

Yes, the low-carb diet is notorious for not being able to maintain after weight loss. Part of the problem is that we have highly evolved taste buds that are receptive to sugars. You don't have to eat pure sugars to get these taste buds activated, the act of chewing your food turns starchy carbs into sugars right in your mouth. We are stuck with these taste buds as part of our evolutionary heritage. Primitive man didn't have refined sugars in his normal diet, so the taste receptors probably helped him to distinguish foods that had nutritional value because they tasted sweet after chewing a while (my hypothesis), and he learned to reject food sources that tasted bad no matter how much they were chewed.

Whatever the real truth is, these days we are constantly surrounded by high-carb food sources that are being pushed at us all the time. Carbs are addictive by nature, but you do not need them. Type 1 insulin-dependent diabetics following Dr. Richard Bernstein's diet have lived on less than 20 grams/day for years and got healthier, not sicker. He's 80 years old himself, and would very likely have died a long time ago from his diabetes complications (Type 1 since he was 12 years old) if he had followed a conventional diet plus high-dose insulin.

Your body can turn protein into glucose, and even though you cannot directly turn dietary fat into glucose, your liver can do it enzymatically through a multi-step backdoor mechanism called gluconeogenesis.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

How to defeat this problem?

- Make sure you are getting sufficient caloric content from quality foods. Most people trying to lose weight get extreme and want to see results fast. They cut the carbs, but they feel compelled to cut back on everything. Your body thinks you are starving it and you feel hungry all the time. Increase your fats, not the other way. Look for good fat sources like avocados, olive oil, flax seed oil, oily fish like salmon and sardines, whole eggs, and yes, fatty cuts of beef. Stay away from oils high in Omega-6 as they promote systemic inflammation, which is the real source of coronary artery disease, not dietary fat. If you can afford the stuff, get grass-fed rib steaks. They have best fat as it is much higher in Omega-3 than grain-fed beef.

- Eat several smaller meals a day. Six minimum. This will reduce your food cravings by stabilizing your blood sugar. Most people who are overweight have problems with hormonal control of blood sugar. For many this will gradually progress to Type 2 diabetes, but the way I see it is that Type 2 is just a continuum of earlier insulin resistance. 20 years ago when I spiked by first fasting blood sugar of 115 and was given the "pre-diabetic" diagnosis, my doctor at the time told me that I would eventually become diabetic no matter what I did, but that I could stall its onset if I lost a lot of weight. How to do it? Cut out the fat and eat a lot more carbs. LOL!

- Recognize that this isn't a diet, it is a permanent lifestyle change. It will effect everything in your life, especially in you interpersonal relationships. Nobody wants a "diet nut" at a dinner party. Social dietary pressures can be enormous, and most of the "good" stuff people will want to treat you to are loaded with carbs. Cave in a little now and then and the addiction starts to build, just like an alcoholic having a beer every now and then leads to a return to bad times. If you are diabetic, tell them your can't eat it because of your condition. If you're not diabetic, lie and tell them you are anyway. No one should feel pressured into putting anything into their bodies.

- Reduce stress in your life. Stress increases cortisol production in your body, which has many negative effects, not the least of which is to seriously mess with your glucose regulation. Just yesterday I became aware of a horrible family situation that had me on the verge of tears all day. I as so stressed out about it that I can't think of much else, and had a terrible night's sleep. I woke up to find my fasting blood sugar was 145... the highest it's been in over two weeks. And I hadn't had a tiny speck of carbs since 14 hours before that.

Stress is a modern day problem. Primitive man rarely experienced daily stress of the type we have today. A situation came up, he had a stress reaction, the problem was resolved quickly (or he perished), and he went back to eating grubs and berries. These days we are so used to being stressed that we actually seek it. Just look at how life-or-death the majority of the members here feel about a silly game of pool. I can't think of a more stressful life than that of a professional pool player... unless your name is Shane, Darren, Dennis, etc. and you are positive you will have a roof over your head next month. Relax. Life is supposed to be a fun game, one that nobody ever wins in the end anyway. Prepare for the future, but live in the moment. That's all we really ever have.

- Accept failure. Quitting an habitual activity is terribly difficult, even if it's not physically addictive like alcohol, heroin, or tobacco are. Heck, I used to be addicted to fly fishing, just like some of you are addicted to pool. Some folks are even addicted to conditioning and health.

We are what we eat, but we also are what we do. It is just very difficult to change in major ways. Even socially, people don't view us the same anymore if we change too much. Quitting stuff is tough on so many levels, and we are filled with feelings of self-loathing when we fail. Soon we are self-medicating with the very thing that we were trying to quit in the first place, and the guilt continues. Don't be so hard on yourself.

You quit things by learning how to quit things. I've quit smoking maybe twenty times in my life. I even went back once after seven years - a smoke here and there, then only smoking at the bar and leaving the rest of the pack there, then back to two packs a day for years. As of now I am smoke-free for over a year now. I can't even stand to look at people on movies smoking anymore, it just disgusts me. But I know it's there, ready to rear its ugly head at any time. If it ever does, I'm just gonna quit again. In fact, I've gotten really good at quitting stuff by now, so I guess in some twisted way, tobacco has had a positive effect on my life.

- 96% of dieters who lose a significant amount of weight without surgical intervention gain it all back, and maybe a little more. Those are just terrible odds to face. Better to not even try and accept who you are and be a happy fatty. I choose to think that I will be one of the 4%, and let the other 96% figure out what went wrong while they commiserate over a big bowl of Ben and Jerry's. The power of a positive outlook cannot be underestimated.
 
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Congratulations on your success.... that's great news about your improved numbers, Sloppy Pockets. There's no doubt that cutting out carbs has huge immediate benefits, however, I'm still thinking about the long-term effects of saturated fats. I think being physically active is going to be really important with this type of diet over the long term ---- Maybe not so much in the immediate future, but over the course of years.

Thanks, Fran. Hopefully 50 pounds or so less around my middle will stop me from rubbing that cue against my side like you mentioned I did. Lol

Just curious... What's your long-term concern over saturated fats? Is this from recent research, or just the same old "saturated fats are bad for you" mantra from the old way of thinking? If it's new stuff, I'd love to get the links from you, as long as they are well footnoted. I don't trust anything unless I can find it on PubMed and at least get to see the scientific abstract of the study.

Doctors love to take a study and mutate it into what they want in order to support their existing preconceptions. I don't trust the medical community at all, but I am lucky in that I have enough background in all this stuff to at least get through an abstract and see what the scientists actually discovered rather than playing "tea table gossip" with the doctors' interpretations.
 
yea theres a lot of info thats been said thats just not correct, and some very true.....


first off every one of you needs to ditch processed food....even much of the "healthy" food as its advertised and says things like FAT FREE, are packed with sugar....added sugar is in every last bit of processed anything, from vegies to meats and dried fruit.

(About Sugar)
There is no such thing as good sugar, its all horrible for the body, and the food industry is slamming it down your throat. There is NOT ONE THING WRONG WITH FRUIT!!!!! Now dont go eating just Fruit and tons of it lol.
The reason why sugar in fruit isn't going to really matter much is that the fruit also has FIBER....

Fiber helps rid the body of sugar by keeping it out the liver, and it being turned into fat for storage pretty quickly. This is with every sugar, processed or unprocessed. So if you eat lots of processed foods, you need to combine more fiber rich foods or a fiber supplement. I prefer just plain foods over supplements.

Also the whole idea behind cutting out gluten is a very good idea, gluten causes inflammation in the intestines and lowers the villi's ability to absorb nutrients in the majority of people....

gluten is found in many grains, of which rice isn't one of them. Corn is gluten free as well..... Oats dont have gluten but most are processed with other grain so its contaminated.

Now here is where the gluten and ADDED SUGARS really kick everyones butt....

So your on your processed food diet thats fat free and full of fake sugar (again fake doesn't even matter, it triggers an insulin response anyways) thats also containing food that can hinder the bodies ability to absorb nutrients.

Nutrients are what actually keep our bodies healthy and all of its functions in good standing they help run electrical signals, regulate ph balance in the body, aid in basically every function the body has.

When cattle are young they feed them lean and plenty of nutrients, if they feed them anything besides the grass they live on it will be some nutrient supplements......once they are ready to fatten the cattle up for slaughter they give them grains and remove all the nutrients.

The cow is now eating basically filler. So it just gorges trying to chase the dragon that is "my body has enough energy now, i dont need to eat any longer....but it doesn't come. The body gets the stomach is full of food signal but the bodies nutrient/nutrition meter never says "hey thats enough fuel".......anything sound familiar in this paragraph to anyone? People always just eating eating eating, for no dam reason seemingly. This is mostly to blame. They use science against us with processed food to MAKE US BUY and EAT MORE

Plants grown in soil that has been watered by processed water from a plant predominately has chloromide in it....very stable from of chlorine. The chloromide among other things like fertilizers full of salts KILL THE SOIL.

How is that? Well the soil has to have active mycocyclin and bacteria that break down the nutrients so said plant can absorb them.

Oops you just killed all that though......I know lets slam some miracle grow down their throats and call them healthy plants lol....no more healthy than a coma patient being tube fed.

Which is why you see all the fruits and veggies today have size, but their characteristic smells and tastes are very much less pronounced and apparant. The plant uses the little it can get to reproduce, it has not enough left to make it smell crazy good or taste blissfully fantastic by adding flavanoids and turpines and such as its growing.

Oops so your body is haviing trouble from the gluten, hindering nutrient uptake.......oops and the vegies and fruits we expected to get our nutriets from are lacking in nutrients themselves..........

oh well lets just eat 5 times more meat than we need to....i mean meat has vitamins and minerals etc.

First plant minerals are more readily available. Secondly dairy, and animal proteins all cause the body to leach calcium from the bones.

There are figures you can see from WW2 of heart disease rates and osteoporosis b/f the war, then during the war then after the war.

During the war when meat became scarce, HEART DISEASE when dratically down, at the cessesation of the war heart disease climbed again with the reintroduction of the meats. We also eat today roughly 5 times more animal protein now than 100 years ago. All our heart disease and brittle bone numbers show it.

So they ate less meat back when, they ate way more vegetables and fruits. This is the bottom line way.

You dont have to get rid of every last bit of dairy or animal protein. What we do need to do is get rid of everything processed. Don't drink fruit juice because its slammed with sugar and no FIBER. Stay away from Gluten, and try and eat organically grown vegetables and fruit, so you can get the nutrients our bodies need.

If you get the nutrients you will lose weight and feel better without the stupid cravings for sugar and other garbage.

Gluten Free
Fruits/Vegies (no fruit juice) organic grown
and most can cut their meat intake WAYYY down.

Meat has toxins, it takes longer to break down....so in no way shape or form is meat better than a vegetable at anything it can do for the body.

Humans were perseverance hunters eons ago, not cattle farmers....meat was hard to come by as a fact of life. Especially prior to having good tools and such.

Needing protein from meat is a lie. Every protein the body needs can be derived from plants is a fact. The idea that eating healthy is more expensive than the junk processed foods is also a lie.

If everyone would just cut back on their meat intake, completely remove processed foods and soda etc from their lives and learn to cook again, then our society would be very very much healthier.

Please teach your childrren to cook! FROM SCRATCH!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL SAVE THEIR LIVES IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE PROCESSED AND ENGINEERED FOOD IS KILLING EVERYONE.

By teaching them to cook you will also save them a large amount of money.

I dont mess with none of that chit....though i have of course, but i grew up with no fast food (had to drive 30 min at least to get fast food) and everything was alwas cooked fresh and from scratch, with me right there being learned how to do it myself.

That has gotten me this far in life as much as anything i have ever done or learned to do. HONEST TRUTH

If your feeding your kids all thatt garbage, and I dont care wether or not thats what they beg for.....kids are stupid, adults should know better and its basically child abuse we are assisting these corporations, schools and government on our societies children.


be healthy/run balls....dont believe the hype.
-Keebie
 
sloppy pockets and grey ghost great posts very educational
fwiw
22 years ago at age 40 i weighed 212 pounds with a 44 in waist .i am 5'8"
i decided i had to lose weight
i went on a low glycemic index diet which is "good carbs/" protein /"good"fats and always trying to have protein/fat +/- carbs at every meal
and never having carbs by themselves
i also increased my exercise level to 4 times a week increasing the intensity and duration as my fitness increased
in one year i went from 212 to 152 pounds and from a 44 to a 31 waist..:)
i must emphasize as mentioned above i really didnt go on a diet
i had a lifestyle change
i still eat a low glycemic diet and exercise 4 times a week
and my weight stays between 157 and 166 (usually around 160)
with a 34 inch waist
 
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sloppy pockets and grey ghost great posts very educational
fwiw
22 years ago at age 40 i weighed 212 pounds with a 44 in waist .i am 5'8"
i decided i had to lose weight
i went on a low glycemic index diet which is "good carbs/" protein /"good"fats and always trying to have protein/fat +/- carbs at every meal
and never having carbs by themselves
i also increased my exercise level to 4 times a week increasing the intensity and duration as my fitness increased
in one year i went from 212 to 152 pounds and from a 44 to a 31 waist..:)
i must emphasize as mentioned above i really didnt go on a diet
i had a lifestyle change
i still eat a low glycemic diet and exercise 4 times a week
and my weight stays between 157 and 166 (usually around 160)
with a 34 inch waist

exactly brother....its about a lifestyle change. You and I just did about the same thing weight wise. I shot up to about 210 from drinking too much and too much garbage food, that wasn't very good to begin with lol (i was in boston ) i came back to work offshore and just went back to how i always ate, only i cut back on the meat alot and eat mostly fish anyways (always have at least down here)...It took me about a year to drop the 50 and I been around 155/160 for quite a few months. I FEEL GREAT! Look great too and back in a 30 jean.

I never have any cravings for anything sugar....at all.
 
Have you ever noticed that when shooting pool the motion of the forearm and hand is very similar to the motion of bringing a beer up to your mouth. Drink lots of beer. You can practice this when a pool table is not available. Do not practice this while driving.
 
Have you ever noticed that when shooting pool the motion of the forearm and hand is very similar to the motion of bringing a beer up to your mouth. Drink lots of beer. You can practice this when a pool table is not available. Do not practice this while driving.
Not so far from a practical suggestion. I took a class in artistic billiards from Hans de Jager who held the European record for most points in that fancy carom shot competition. He said that he did a specific exercise to improve the strength of his fast-twitch muscles used for making power strokes. The motion was like raising a mug of beer very fast.

I don't recommend doing this with an actual mug of beer unless you are into beer showers.
 
Not so far from a practical suggestion. I took a class in artistic billiards from Hans de Jager who held the European record for most points in that fancy carom shot competition. He said that he did a specific exercise to improve the strength of his fast-twitch muscles used for making power strokes. The motion was like raising a mug of beer very fast.

I don't recommend doing this with an actual mug of beer unless you are into beer showers.

Bob I say you come down to louisiana.....lots of drunks here. Maybe we can find the drunk with the fastest twitch muscles on the planet.....or at least west of the mississippi lol

regards,
Keebie
 
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