anyone have experience with this device??

Let's change the wording from "certified" to "fully qualified".
Are your comments/replies those of a teacher or student or neither..... simply your opinion.
You did state your case by why keep repeating it. Just curious.
What is your playing level? Pro...Shortstop. Are you well known? Are you are student of the game or just like to debate. How many Tournaments have you won? Do you gamble for decent wagers?

Are your opinions those of a certain instructor or those of a fully qualified instructor or a short stop level player or simply one that had no stroke & no game like a beginner that was taught some basic 'fundamentals' by one that then became your pool god?

You have had a pleasant experience & association of which you are well satisfied. I am very glad & happy for you.

That is not the case for everyone else.

By your 'suggestion' here, only a Pro level player is qualified to teach or comment on teaching. By your thinking, an individual is not qualified to even judge if their own experience was a satisfying one or not.

Only you & those like you are allowed to voice your opinions of your satisfied experiences. What makes you qualified to do that? I know of at least 3 well known player/instructors that will tell you that what you were taught is bunkum & hogwash.

You are employing the same illogic that is used in the aiming forums by proponents of another instructor & what he is teaching. Matters of the mind are not related to whether or not an individual is a pro player or not.

I had thought that after you qualified your testimonial, that you understood the need for the instructor to fit the student & what the student is looking to receive from a lesson.

I guess not.

Your experience was a good one for you & I am rather sure it is for rather many others. But... it is not the same like that for everyone.

The SPF curriculum is not for everyone & everyone is not looking to be taught it. That is were those unsatisfied & unhappy individuals have come from... a bad fit between student & instructor. That probably comes from miscommunication or lack of communication in the booking process.

Hence the need for some awareness of what is available from others & some due diligence by those looking for a lesson or lessons & perhaps some more communication from instructors as to what they will be teaching in a lesson.

That way a potential student can make a better decision & those unsatisfied & unhappy experiences can be cut back.

Would that not be a GOOD THING?

You say, take a lesson from Mr. Y, he's great. Well some have & would completely disagree with you. It was a bad fit & it was NOT for what the student was looking. Hence, probably bad communication of some kind by one or the other or both parties.

I could be a paraplegic since what I am talking about has nothing to do with how well "I" play. Your logic in that regard is completely faulty... But I have just relatively recently been asked if I was a short stop when hitting balls at a rather well known hall when there was no one there that knew me. I am 62 with bad eyes & a bad back.

You want to know my playing 'credentials'. How about the playing credentials of every instructor here that is basically soliciting. Let's have them be posted for potential students to compare & make a determination if they would rather take a lesson from Nick Varner or Lee Brett or CJ Wiley or Fran Crimi vs instructor XYZ or SPF or another 'certified' instructor that is not teaching the SPF curriculum.

Everyone is NOT at a level like you that compares playing pool to having sex for fun & not needing to be that good at it. You found the instructor that suits you.

Others need to do the same thing.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick
 
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Ignorant: Having limited knowledge of a particular subject. Not meant as an insult. Just my opinion based on your post.
Steve
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think I have shown that I have a rather good understanding of the cookie cutter figure of speech & hence I am not ignorant about it.

You find something I said "offensive" & call me "ignorant". You now say it was not an insult but just your opinion.

So in your opinion, I'm ignorant.

ig·no·rant
ˈiɡnərənt/
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
"he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"
synonyms: uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed, unenlightened, benighted; More

My opinion is that 220 of 260 teaching the same thing is very much a cookie cutter like 'franchise' approach of a single ideology.

I think it was Lee Brett that responded to Mark Wilson saying that what he teaches fits 95%. Lee then asked, 'Well why then do the other 5%, THE PROS, not do it that way?'.

Just more food for thought.

The Famous Golf Instructor Butch Harmon says about himself, 'I may not know how to build a Championship Swing... but if I am not very careful... I know I can ruin one.'.
 
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Steve and all,

May I suggest not to engage English. Let him have his little p/a posts, but do not respond. For someone of his nature, it is the worst thing to have happen on a message board.
 
Wow...just wow! Now Rick is trying to diss Randyg (who has done more positive things for pool than just about anyone alive) simply because he is no longer chairman of the instructor committee (and why was that? Fill us in Rick!). :mad: Let's use a better word than ignorant...how about ignoramous! That's appropriate since he talks out of his ass, and then still gets it wrong. It's 180 out of 220, for the SPF instructor count. To me that looks like a huge success story. Must be doing something right if 80% of the PBIA instructors choose to teach this model!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
 
^^^^^^^^^^

I have no idea why Randy is no longer on the instructors committee. I merely said that I noticed that he is no longer on the committee.

220 of 260 or 180 of 220 is no huge difference but I do not recall Randy giving any number under 200. Perhaps it was Randy that misspoke. It is still only 40 non SPFers.

You seem to fail to realize the double edged sword of the cookie cutter 'franchise' tag.

If those taking the course & paying the fee to become 'certified' are taught the SPF ideology by you or Randy that are doing the course & doing the certifying, what do you think it will be that they will teach?

Yet you try to make it sound like they were given options & chose to teach the SPF curriculum. But even if they were they might still chose it because it is easy to teach & troubleshoot since it is a contrived method.

You said in another thread that the instructor SmoothStroke learned all he knows from Randy & you insulted me then too.

SmoothStroke later posted that he has never met nor spoken to Randy at all.

Does that make YOU an ignorant ignoramus?

I'll just stop there.
 
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Rick, I am seeing more and more of your expert opinion and you helpfully reminding people that there are two sides to every story. I think we all get it. Let's not push your aiming forum ban to the entire site.

Mike
 
Rick, I am seeing more and more of your expert opinion and you helpfully reminding people that there are two sides to every story. I think we all get it. Let's not push your aiming forum ban to the entire site.

Mike

Well Sorry Mike,

Just like in the recent aiming threads, I seem to respond to personal attacks when they are allowed.

Being called ignorant leads to another post & it snowballs to where later I am called an ignorant ignoramus.

Sorry, but I don't respond WELL to name calling ad hominem attacks.

I'll try to just start doing more reporting, but I'm not use to going running for help.

Regards & All the Best for You & Yours,
Rick
 
For all viewers of this thread except for English.

For the record these were the exact words used.

"Ignorant"
I think RandyG (who I have noticed has been removed as chairman of the BCA Instructors Committee) recently said that 220 of the 260 PBIA instructors were of the SPF 'franchise'.

Been Removed has a much different meaning than " I merely said that I noticed that he is no longer on the committee."

Oh so typical......

p.s. Since he is banned from the aiming forum perhaps all future threads need to be posted there.
 
You hand out the problems much more than you receive them. When you chime into multiple threads attacking people, I don't give a lot of credibility to your reported posts of people attacking you.

Well Sorry Mike,

Just like in the recent aiming threads, I seem to respond to personal attacks when they are allowed.

Being called ignorant leads to another post & it snowballs to where later I am called an ignorant ignoramus.

Sorry, but I don't respond WELL to name calling ad hominem attacks.

I'll try to just start doing more reporting, but I'm not use to going running for help.

Regards & All the Best for You & Yours,
Rick
 
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