Anyone Have Updated USA Mosconi Cup Points After Last Weekend

jay helfert said:
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:
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That does even things up quite a bit --Here are the top 5 from each continent shown also by where they are at on the world stage --Fargo Ratings
 

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jay helfert said:
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:
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The US players need to take the game more serious, as their European competitors do. We don't need to replace players, we need to get our players up to speed.

This reminds me of the USA in the World Cup of Soccer. The USA men want to desperately compete. So what do they do, they get a German coach and he finds European players that have an American background to be on Team SUA but most never even have set foot on American soil. And they still lose.

That mentality is a weakness. What they need to do is toughen up.
 
IMO the only one of the players that belong on the MC team at this point is SVB. The other high points guys didn't win or finish good in anything major. Hell most of them only played small purse or regional tournaments. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
IMO the only one of the players that belong on the MC team at this point is SVB. The other high points guys didn't win or finish good in anything major. Hell most of them only played small purse or regional tournaments. Johnnyt
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Turning Stone 25k added

Oscar 3rd
Rodney 4th

DCC 9B

SVB 1st

Those are what I would call majors so far for the year, if you are looking to big prize money.

The Don Coates paid pretty good - $7400 for 1st, won by Rodney. Dechaine got 5th, Oscar got 9th


Beyond that Rodney is 12th on the AZB money list for the year -- not sure what else you expected him to compete in


EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$19,815 12th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$7,415 1st Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,300 1st 9th Wyoming Open Masters 10-Ball
$1,000 1st Diamond Pool Tour 2016 #3
$3,000 2nd Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$1,500 2nd Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,000 2nd Florida Pool Tour 2016 #2 Open Div.
$400 3rd 9th Wyoming Open Masters 8-Ball
$2,600 4th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$650 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$300 13th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$200 48th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.
$200 65th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.

Oscar is 27th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$10,494 27th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$2,500 1st Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,600 1st 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$3,600 3rd Turning Stone Classic XXV
$400 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 5
$1,000 5th Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$494 9th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$425 9th Andy Mercer Mem. 2016
$175 25th 2nd Texas 10-Ball Championship
$300 45th DCC 2016 9B Div.

DeChaine is 26th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$11,138 26th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$1,100 1st Empire St. 10B C'ship 2016
$1,000 1st Joss Tour 2015-2016 #15
$900 3rd 7th NE P&F HOF 9B Open
$2,000 4th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$700 4th Ginky Memorial 2016 Open Div.
$2,600 5th SBE 2016 Players C'ship
$988 5th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,200 9th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$250 47th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.
$150 77th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.

Among USA men

Rodney is 2nd on money list
Dechaine is 8th
Oscar is 9th
 
Ah yes. Lets get weak and turn chicken and open it up to all of North America instead of just plain getting better.

Let's beat them on paper instead of in the practice room.

I'd rather earn it than be given a handout.
 
watchez said:
Turning Stone 25k added

Oscar 3rd
Rodney 4th

DCC 9B

SVB 1st

Those are what I would call majors so far for the year, if you are looking to big prize money.

The Don Coates paid pretty good - $7400 for 1st, won by Rodney. Dechaine got 5th, Oscar got 9th


Beyond that Rodney is 12th on the AZB money list for the year -- not sure what else you expected him to compete in


EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$19,815 12th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$7,415 1st Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,300 1st 9th Wyoming Open Masters 10-Ball
$1,000 1st Diamond Pool Tour 2016 #3
$3,000 2nd Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$1,500 2nd Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,000 2nd Florida Pool Tour 2016 #2 Open Div.
$400 3rd 9th Wyoming Open Masters 8-Ball
$2,600 4th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$650 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$300 13th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$200 48th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.
$200 65th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.

Oscar is 27th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$10,494 27th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$2,500 1st Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,600 1st 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$3,600 3rd Turning Stone Classic XXV
$400 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 5
$1,000 5th Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$494 9th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$425 9th Andy Mercer Mem. 2016
$175 25th 2nd Texas 10-Ball Championship
$300 45th DCC 2016 9B Div.

DeChaine is 26th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$11,138 26th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$1,100 1st Empire St. 10B C'ship 2016
$1,000 1st Joss Tour 2015-2016 #15
$900 3rd 7th NE P&F HOF 9B Open
$2,000 4th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$700 4th Ginky Memorial 2016 Open Div.
$2,600 5th SBE 2016 Players C'ship
$988 5th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,200 9th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$250 47th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.
$150 77th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.

Among USA men

Rodney is 2nd on money list
Dechaine is 8th
Oscar is 9th
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Notice what they did at the DCC. Case closed. Johnny
 
jay helfert said:
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:
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For years now we haven been sending players from 3 to 4 countries:
UK, Germany, Netherlands and Finland. Those 4 countries combined have
about half the population of the US. So can we add either Taiwan or the
Philippines to even it out?
 
Johnnyt said:
Notice what they did at the DCC. Case closed. Johnny
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One tournament is the basis of your post? That's special. Just admit that you posted without thinking. As a side note - I notice you like to post a lot just for the simply fact of posting. I always get a kick out of the threads you attempt to start. It's almost like you sit around just trying to find something to say.

Back to your brain: You acted as if the USA men haven't accomplished anything this year. It's not like there are $25K added tournaments for them to play in every two weeks. They are playing in the MC point events that are out there for them. That is all they can do. To criticize them for that is baseless and thoughtless.

From your brain, both SVB and Scott Frost should be on the MC Cup team cause in the only tournament that matters to you - the DCC 9 ball, Scott finished as the second highest placing USA male.
 
First of all FU. My point is if they can't cash high against top players from around the world, what chance do they have in the cup against 5 top players? None what so ever. Johnnyt
 
Double-Dave said:
For years now we haven been sending players from 3 to 4 countries:
UK, Germany, Netherlands and Finland. Those 4 countries combined have
about half the population of the US. So can we add either Taiwan or the
Philippines to even it out?
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Cooking the books a little, are we?
The Euro players on the Mosconi Cup team are the cream from a base of over 740 million.
If you want to only use the figures of where the team members come from.....
...then use the population of each State the American players come from.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
Johnnyt said:
... My point is if they can't cash high against top players from around the world, what chance do they have in the cup against 5 top players? None what so ever. Johnnyt
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In the DCC 9-Ball event:
• Morris has been in the top 5 at least five times, including second to Reyes in 2010.
• Dechaine has been in the top 6 four times.
• Dominguez has yet to finish high (but I don't know whether he has played in it regularly).
 
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pt109 said:
Cooking the books a little, are we?
The Euro players on the Mosconi Cup team are the cream from a base of over 740 million.
If you want to only use the figures of where the team members come from.....
...then use the population of each State the American players come from.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Fair enough. OK, then add Canada. Alex is one tough cookie but I still
think we'd be a decent favorite with a team like Darren, Niels, Mark, Nick, Ralph.

gr. Dave
 
That's your answer to everything, when someone points out your BS. That's the same attitude that was out there before the US Hockey Team beat the Russians 30 years ago. Maybe you should move out of FL and go live in Europe so you can "cheer" for what you perceive to be "winners". :angry:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Johnnyt said:
First of all FU. My point is if they can't cash high against top players from around the world, what chance do they have in the cup against 5 top players? None what so ever. Johnnyt
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Look, you crotchety old goat...YOU'RE the one who made the statement as a New Year's resolution to be a better poster. Don't dog me because you can't control your mouth, fingers and very poor anti-American attitude. As far as pool school, you could never learn a thing because you so obviously already know everything. Now, go back to your soap box...

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Johnnyt said:
Sorry I can't be like you and hang from anyone's in the industry's nuts and get your ad for fool school in every chance you get. Johnnyt
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Teacherman said:
Ah yes. Lets get weak and turn chicken and open it up to all of North America instead of just plain getting better.

Let's beat them on paper instead of in the practice room.

I'd rather earn it than be given a handout.
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I think matchroom knows the "rah rah USA" stuff, as parochial as it may be, is a proven formula.

If we take a step back, though, there are a couple legitimate reasons to consider opening it up.

(1) Europe enjoys a 2-to-1 population advantage over USA

(2) North America vs Europe would be continent v. continent rather than country v. continent

(3) North America v. Europe would be more aligned with supporting our international governing structure (WPA) because it would be BCA v. EPBF (Billiards Congress of America v. European Pocket Billiard Federation), two member organizations.
 
mikepage said:
I think matchroom knows the "rah rah USA" stuff, as parochial as it may be, is a proven formula.

If we take a step back, though, there are a couple legitimate reasons to consider opening it up.

(1) Europe enjoys a 2-to-1 population advantage over USA

(2) North America vs Europe would be continent v. continent rather than country v. continent

(3) North America v. Europe would be more aligned with supporting our international governing structure (WPA) because it would be BCA v. EPBF (Billiards Congress of America v. European Pocket Billiard Federation), two member organizations.
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Every hear of the Ryder Cup?

Then you can stretch it events such as the Olympics, America's Cup -- you don't see countries complaining they can't compete because they don't have a big enough population. If they want to win, they simply get better.
 
mikepage said:
I think matchroom knows the "rah rah USA" stuff, as parochial as it may be, is a proven formula.

If we take a step back, though, there are a couple legitimate reasons to consider opening it up.

(1) Europe enjoys a 2-to-1 population advantage over USA

(2) North America vs Europe would be continent v. continent rather than country v. continent

(3) North America v. Europe would be more aligned with supporting our international governing structure (WPA) because it would be BCA v. EPBF (Billiards Congress of America v. European Pocket Billiard Federation), two member organizations.
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As a Canuck, I would love to see Team North America.
And eventually, I would like to see Team Asia.

A North American team would include a few other countries...Mexico being the biggest....
....even though they tend to call us Norte Americanos....:rolleyes:
 
SVB was the only player eligible for team USA to earn any points in the World 9-Ball Championship. Oscar Dominguez finished 33rd/64th, just missing the points. Shane's 2nd place was worth 67 points, putting him in the lead. Twelve of the 27 points events remain to be played.

217 -- Shane Van Boening
178 -- Rodney Morris
161 -- Oscar Dominguez
133 -- Mike Dechaine
115 -- Skyler Woodward
..83 -- Shaun Wilkie
..74 -- Shane McMinn
..71 -- Hunter Lombardo
..62 -- Corey Deuel
..59 -- Robb Saez
 
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