APA call at cities. U be the judge

Scenario.
Important match, hill hill, winner goes to Vegas.

What happened:
Player marks 8 ball pocket with a room key card, upside down, showing only magnetic strip. Sinks the 8 in the pocket, game over right? Wrong.

It was established pretourney,neither money nor chalk can be used to mark a final pocket. Opposing team complains saying a credit card was used to mark the pocket (at this time the card was removed from the table). It can not be proven, one way or another, whether or not a credit card was used.

Conversation goes 10 minutes.

So, league operator makes the call, guilty until proven innocent. Foul on the shot, game over, match to our opposing team.

Point 1, use something obviously not resembling money.
Point 2, guilty until proven innocent.
Point 3, record all games with video.

Thank you APA, I now agree with everyone else here. APA needs to change, get more people to step up and be COMPETENT referees that WANT to be there, at a minimum. Until then, there is one less person donating to the league for them to choose who represents them in Vegas.

I cant believe this.....

It might be true, but I cant believe this.

Ken
 
A credit card is not money. That call was BS. Per the rule book you can *actually* use chalk to mark a pocket.

We just had cities here a couple weeks back and I had a discussion about this. Before the tournament started we were told no by laws were in effect. Ok that is fine. So I see somebody mark the pocket with a chalk/chalk holder and my teamate sitting with me says that is against the rules.

I explained that you *can* use chalk to mark the pocket but the rules suggest that you do not. We look it up and you certainly can use chalk. So my friend talks to the LO about it and he says that chalk cannot be used to mark the pocket.

So now we have a strange situation. No by laws are in effects so all rules should go by what is in the rule book.
 
APA should have an official pocket marker.

The other team should be lead into a dark alley, and not come out unhurt.
 
scenario.
Important match, hill hill, winner goes to vegas.

What happened:
Player marks 8 ball pocket with a room key card, upside down, showing only magnetic strip. Sinks the 8 in the pocket, game over right? Wrong.

It was established pretourney,neither money nor chalk can be used to mark a final pocket. Opposing team complains saying a credit card was used to mark the pocket (at this time the card was removed from the table). It can not be proven, one way or another, whether or not a credit card was used.

Conversation goes 10 minutes.

So, league operator makes the call, guilty until proven innocent. Foul on the shot, game over, match to our opposing team.

Point 1, use something obviously not resembling money.
Point 2, guilty until proven innocent.
Point 3, record all games with video.

Thank you apa, i now agree with everyone else here. Apa needs to change, get more people to step up and be competent referees that want to be there, at a minimum. Until then, there is one less person donating to the league for them to choose who represents them in vegas.

that is f*cking insane!
 
Dan...Actually the TSA has reversed itself on lighters. They are now legal to carry aboard airplanes! :D...but not pool cues! :angry:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Want to hear something really funny? You can't take pool cues but I can take an Ash cane. In fact, if they didn't change the law, they can't take it from me unless they provide a wheel chair. TSA should join forces with APA and standardize some rules :)
 
I just don't see why so many more people play 8 ball in apa in stead of 9 ball...

their version of 9 ball is simply awesome. The combination of straight pool and 9 ball with the race to points... why wasn't it designed like this from the start?
 
I have reffed 4 or 5 APA city tournaments here in NC and the money thing came about as I understand because it is an APA rule that your team will forfiet all matches played or to be played if 1 of your players ask the oposing player to bet on the outcome. So here they don't permit cash (folding) as a pocket marker but you can use the APA coin like markers legally. To me the card would be fine as a marker as there is no reason to think it means a wager exp. if it was a hotel room card possibly. File a dispute with the LO and the APA National Office in St. Louis I belive. Good Luck this is BS--Leonard
 
I was under the impression that you can't use money because sometimes there are quarters on the table. I can't see where using a credit card would be a foul. Sounds like you guys got robbed. I hope you file a protest and win.
 
I'll bet the answer would be a loud NO! if you asked the league operator to accept credit card payments for your dues, or if the league operator asked the complaining team if they would accept a credit card for any of their league winnings.
 
Opposing team is a bunch of scumbags...
To even make that call is lower than whale sh!t in my book. Take the loss gracefully and move on.

I know. I would out this stupid scumbag team. That was a total chicken shit call. I wouldn't want to be friend's with any of those guys on that team, and if someone on my team tried that move I'd have a good talk with them and still insist the win go to the other team. What a bunch of losers.

PS. Something like this came up at our City Championship, only our LO handled is much better. He gave the offending team a warning and simply said next time it will be a foul. That at least gave the offending team (Even if a room key card is a legal marker) the chance to retain the win, but use something less controversial.
 
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I just don't see why so many more people play 8 ball in apa in stead of 9 ball...

their version of 9 ball is simply awesome. The combination of straight pool and 9 ball with the race to points... why wasn't it designed like this from the start?

One reason for me is 9-Ball plays on Sunday nights when I work, and 8-Ball plays on Monday nights when I'm done working. Also, APA is the only league available in my State that I know of.
 
Scenario.
Important match, hill hill, winner goes to Vegas.

What happened:
Player marks 8 ball pocket with a room key card, upside down, showing only magnetic strip. Sinks the 8 in the pocket, game over right? Wrong.

It was established pretourney,neither money nor chalk can be used to mark a final pocket. Opposing team complains saying a credit card was used to mark the pocket (at this time the card was removed from the table). It can not be proven, one way or another, whether or not a credit card was used.

Conversation goes 10 minutes.

So, league operator makes the call, guilty until proven innocent. Foul on the shot, game over, match to our opposing team.

Point 1, use something obviously not resembling money.
Point 2, guilty until proven innocent.
Point 3, record all games with video.

Thank you APA, I now agree with everyone else here. APA needs to change, get more people to step up and be COMPETENT referees that WANT to be there, at a minimum. Until then, there is one less person donating to the league for them to choose who represents them in Vegas.


At the cities/regional level, you have the "creme of the crop" of the APA, which means, all the sandbaggers and cheating scumbags in high concentration.


People who will manipulate and abuse the rules and do absolutely anything for a win. No matter how petty or absurd.

In the APA, the ends justify the means.


The L.O. is a moron. Probably knew the rules, but wanted to side with the other team for whatever reason (maybe they made a deal?).


That sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME in the APA. All kinds of corrupt dealings. Even involving L.O.'s.


One word describing the APA: sleazy.
 
man that sucks....but I agree...the opposing team is a bunch of douchebags.
to win that way is a total sham and they are a bunch of losers. the worst kind of losers.
 
Blows your mind how low people will go to take a game away. Whenever I play in the APA I just ask the opponent to clearly call his pocket. If you need to cheat in a bar league than that is sad.

I was playing league in New Jersey against the home bars other team and out of habit marked the pocket clearly placing a piece of chalk on the pocket the 8-ball was hanging onto for dear life. Opponent waits till I pocket it and calls the foul. Took the next 3 and my markers where

Tower of 6 shot glasses

Table brush

My Shoe

Sorry to hear about that bad experience

Paul
 
Well, if it makes you feel better, my team was at cities also.

My 7 was playing and he is talking to the ref (b/c he is also our league rep) while the other guy is shooting. The other guy goes for a masse around the 9 ball. The ref is watching this.

The guy hits the 9 first enough to move it several inches, but hits the lowest ball after that and pockets it. Of course he keeps going on to keep shooting. My player says to the ref, "Bad hit right?" Keep in mind the ball didn't just rock a little, it moved 2-3 inches.

and the ref goes "I don't know, you didn't ask me to look at that shot."

He was looking right at the d@mn table!!!! Do you really have to ask people to perform the task that they are supposed to be doing anyway?


Plus, the lighting is so terrible in Atlantic City its a shame. I felt like we were shooting in the dark.
 
I was in a tournament once where cash and chalk were not allowed to mark, both in the written rules and the TD's instructions. One match from the money, my opponent used chalk to mark (on a shot where the ref was watching for the hit!). He made the shot and was given the game, despite my protest. Once the protest was squashed, i piped down. It was the right pocket, after all.

Luckily, I was drunk. I took it as motivation and shot lights out from there. I won the set and a trip to Vegas, and it wasn't even APA!

-s
 
I could never play APA, one BS call like that and my opponents would have broken limbs! I couldnt trust my self control enough to play with those people!
 
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