So your saying that a ball weighing about 165 grams went 6 feet in the air and came down in the middle of the table with enough force to crack a .75" to 1" slate in half right about where one of the support beams for the slate resides?
APA LEAGUE - Rules - Im Confused
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So your saying that a ball weighing about 165 grams went 6 feet in the air and came down in the middle of the table with enough force to crack a .75" to 1" slate in half right about where one of the support beams for the slate resides?
It was 3/4" On a Valley table and yes I believe that's exactly what happened. The supports under the slate are irrelevant when you're taking about the impact from 6oz and a 6' drop. I'm confident the crew from Jacoby will remember. Now before we start arguing about the properties of slate I'll stop you... This is the field I work in and although I'm sure you're an expert, thanks anyways.
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There was one of the better players in Springfield Missouri, Jamie Something (I forgot his last name but the Springfield folks can help me on this one) had a habit of hitting the break and the cue ball going directly into the lights about the table and busting the hell out of it.
Obviously, he wasn't the most popular players for bar owners.
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I wasn't calling BS on you. I was just saying you absolutely crush the ball if you're consistently able to hit them at 28+. Please don't feel the need to defend your honour. I was just stating a fact - you DO break like a gorilla if you hit them that hard. Be proud, man. My 44 year old shoulder can't do that
I wasn't calling BS on you. I was just saying you absolutely crush the ball if you're consistently able to hit them at 28+. Please don't feel the need to defend your honour. I was just stating a fact - you DO break like a gorilla if you hit them that hard. Be proud, man. My 44 year old shoulder can't do that
I wasn't aiming at you with that statement :smile:
I very rarely try to hit the balls that hard so I can't remember a time after that where the cue got that high off the table. It was never my intention in the first place... I just wanted to hit them square and with as much speed as possible.
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Cut back on the speed by 5%, hit the head ball flush, increase your breaking power by 40%.
A ball that flies straight up in the air off the break is nothing to be proud of.
Cut back on the speed by 5%, hit the head ball flush, increase your breaking power by 40%.
A ball that flies straight up in the air off the break is nothing to be proud of.
Well, yes and no.
Again, ball speed is the ultimate goal in a break speed competition so long as the cue ball stays on the table, it's something to be proud of. I was breaking a half tip above center with my cue as level as possible so there is nothing else I could do but back off of the power. Anything above 25mph becomes a crap shoot for control and if I could tell the difference between 95-100% I would be a much better player.
Of course I know the rule but my question is what is the penalty if someone marks the table or places the chalk on the felt? If someone doesn't mark the pocket for the 8 ball, they lose the game. If someone notices that the chalk was placed on the felt or marked the table after the ball was shot, what is the penalty?
That doesn't make any sense. So if you think something should be legal, you do it anyway even if the rules say it isn't? You play within the same rules everyone else plays with. Every league, everywhere has rules. You learn to play within the rules. You don't not do something because you believe that's the way it should be. You are hurting your team and teammates to a degree. Whomever made whatever rule, I'm sure a lot of thought went into it and they were made for a purpose. For me to say I'm not placing the chalk there for a 1 or 2 cushion kick shot for my 2, 3, 4 or 5 when the opposing coach is successfully helping out his players with proper use of the chalk for marking would be a disservice to my team.
That's another tricky one. It's the biggest mistake for an 8 ball lower skilled player to win the lag and provide a hard break that opens up the table for the high skilled player. It's my worst nightmare when someone puts up a lower skilled player against me, they win the lag and break with only 4 balls hitting the cushion. It's very hard to say you didn't break hard enough... Their shoulder could hurt, their back, their arm which doesn't allow them to break so hard.
When I'm playing a stronger player than myself, I almost always use the 8-ball break from the rail.
A: I might get lucky and score an easy (and cheap, I realize) win, and
B: If I don't get the 8, it very often leaves the table in a mess. Much more difficult for the better player to run out. I can take my time and pick away at it, and have my chances, versus opening up the table for them to run out on me.
That's not a "safety" break (I hit it reasonably hard), but it accomplishes the same result.
In our league they even handed out timers to time every timeout. Most Captains carry the by-laws and APA rule book with them. In the Regionals and Vegas they are pretty strict about time used for time outs also.
Worst nightmare? I used to love playing 2s and 3s that did that. You lock them up early in the racks. Burn their time outs. And leave them on their own towards the end of the racks. A high ranked player should win the vast majority of messy table battles against a low ranked player.
That's a good strategy although the odds of an 8 ball on the break in league play is over 100 to 1. I do the 2nd ball break myself sometimes if I'm playing another 7. Either something goes in and the balls spread well or many end up on one side of the table together.
I agree with you 100%. I've come to the conclusion I should only play home games on our decent table, and just coach on away games where the table isn't close to level, cushion are very far off, the cue ball is heavy or big and heavy. It's frustrating to lose to players of lower skilled levels due to the playing equipment. I don't have a problem when my opponent plays well and deserves to win but when I lose due to the cushions or inability to control the cue ball they way I expect to react, it drives me crazy and hurts my team.
Yes, vast majority. On an open table against a 2 or 3, a 7 will win 95% of the time. Winning a vast majority isn't enough. I always tell my players against a player who is more experienced or a better shooter keep the balls tied up as much as possible. I know it works against me.
A famous philosopher once said "never tell me the odds"
I don't break that way expecting to get the 8, tho I average one per session. Add to that, we play on 9 footers, which I expect makes the odds worse.
I do like the mess it creates. Especially when I'm playing guys who are in what I consider the stereotypical "league player mentality" group....impatient. They wanna get up there and shoot, not figure out a mess, and how to best handle it. They might be better shooters than me, but that doesn't make them better players.
Impatience breeds mistakes.