Apa payback

s'portplayer

s'portplayer

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With APA Nationals about to start, I wanted to post a thread about paybacks/rewards for a job well done.

As we all know, many people on AZ, do not like the APA for various reasons, with some being well justified. Many of these complaints are skewed towards getting money in return, or the lack thereof, for playing in APA tournaments, going to Vegas, etc...

We got our newsletter last night, which lists the various types of winnings associated with our City Championship, with the top 4 finishing teams in both 8 & 9 going to Vegas.

$51,200 was the total purse in each division and listed in descending order of finish: 10k, 9k, 8k, 7k paid to the teams who qualified for Nationals. $3200 for 5th-6th, $2400 for 7th-8th, $1500 for 9th-12th.

There are several other types of payback, the consolation tournament, Ladies City Champtionships, scotch doubles, and singles, that brought the total payout to $138,970.

Just wanted to prove that some APA Operators doing a pretty good job at rewarding their players.
 
Our league paid out over $90,000 this year, $15k in cash prizes at the Vegas qualifiers alone. Plus they are sending 7 teams to Vegas, plus 3 or 4 doubles teams and a few singles qualifiers as well.
 
Jeff...I know you're right, and you know you're right...but the naysayers will simply post their numbers about how even your L.O. took in millions, but only paid back $140K. It's a lose-lose proposition here to try to post anything positive about the APA, without getting attacked on at least three sides.:mad:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
That is insane, and awesome. Ours is so terrible they barely even get enough money for the entire to team to buy plane tickets. I think the most I head of a team getting was around 3k. And only one 9 ball team and one 8 ball team get to go. There should really be more structure from the APA corporate office as to payouts for this type of thing. All it tells me is that our LO is an absolute thief.
 
Scott, I'm not naive enough to think, there won't be any bashing going on, but I just felt a need to make the post.

I've always felt, with any type of business, that if a person does the hard work, gets the funding, makes sacrifices, etc... to get business/league/big tournement off the ground and successful, they should be rewarded handsomely.

Players should be rewarded handsomely as well, for their time and money spent, during practice, travel, sacrifice, being away from their families, etc..., but not so handsomely, to skew the reward more in their favor than the owner.
 
IntoTheRail said:
That is insane, and awesome. Ours is so terrible they barely even get enough money for the entire to team to buy plane tickets. I think the most I head of a team getting was around 3k. And only one 9 ball team and one 8 ball team get to go. There should really be more structure from the APA corporate office as to payouts for this type of thing. All it tells me is that our LO is an absolute thief.
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I am proud to be associated with the league I'm in... We have alot of the petty bickering that goes on, over sandbagging, highly-skilled players who don't belong in the league at all, basically pro-caliber players, but overall our LO does a great job.

As far as the dollar amount of payback, it comes down to economies of scale.... The larger the league, the larger the payback. We have several places with over 50 teams, 2 or 3 up around 80, and many with atleast 20 teams, all of this adds up to the ability to have a large payout.
 
I'm not bashing APA...

...but in our BCA league, when they make the payouts at the banquet, they include a printout with each team's prize money (check or cash) that shows a breakdown of how much was collected and how and where those monies were distributed.
And at just about any poker tourney, they include a formula (based on entries) of how the payouts are distributed.
To date, no one has claimed that our LO is 'making a killing'. Depending on the amount of players per season, it roughly works out that the LO can buy themselves a plane ticket to Las Vegas (coach, of course) and maybe, with a few more players/teams in the league, entry fee in the singles.

For the constant work (scheduling, averages, collecting dues, etc.), that doesn't seem like much. IMO, I think that the LO's should make a bit more for the time they sacrifice dealing with the above.

All I'm saying is that it's nice to know where our money goes...
 
League Payouts

This is not intended to criticize the OP.

I think it is great that his operator pays out some good money to the players. Congratulations!

There are good operators and bad operators in ALL league systems.

The payout numbers were impressive, but without knowing the size of the league (or the tournament), or the system of participation, it is hard to tell what is going on. In fact, this payout ($139K) is more than the TOTAL Payout of the ACS National event in Vegas, which has about 850 people.

BCAPL has some leagues that send 50% of ALL TEAMS to Vegas, but those are generally not large leagues of several hundred teams.

Just to let you know that different leagues do it differently - and that is what makes the 'billiard ball turn'. - LOL.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
 
1st year running

This year was our areas rookie year and they sent 3 teams to vegas, I thought that was pretty darn good. Our league operators got the Rookies of the year at the convention this year so Congratulations goes out to them. Good luck to everyone goin to vegas:clapping:
 
Mark Griffin said:
This is not intended to criticize the OP.

I think it is great that his operator pays out some good money to the players. Congratulations!

There are good operators and bad operators in ALL league systems.

The payout numbers were impressive, but without knowing the size of the league (or the tournament), or the system of participation, it is hard to tell what is going on. In fact, this payout ($139K) is more than the TOTAL Payout of the ACS National event in Vegas, which has about 850 people.

BCAPL has some leagues that send 50% of ALL TEAMS to Vegas, but those are generally not large leagues of several hundred teams.

Just to let you know that different leagues do it differently - and that is what makes the 'billiard ball turn'. - LOL.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
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Mark, I really don't have any idea on exact figures on the number of players, but we do have 307 teams, if my addition is correct. Keep in mind that quite a few people play on several different teams, but I wouldn't be scared to guess that we have a total of around 1,000 players.

The last time I talked to the LO, we had the 4th largest APA league, per capita, in the country.
 
dyoung5 said:
This year was our areas rookie year and they sent 3 teams to vegas, I thought that was pretty darn good. Our league operators got the Rookies of the year at the convention this year so Congratulations goes out to them. Good luck to everyone goin to vegas:clapping:
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Congratulations!!!
 
s'portplayer said:
Mark, I really don't have any idea on exact figures on the number of players, but we do have 307 teams, if my addition is correct. Keep in mind that quite a few people play on several different teams, but I wouldn't be scared to guess that we have a total of around 1,000 players.

The last time I talked to the LO, we had the 4th largest APA league, per capita, in the country.
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Just to add perspective to the numbers I quoted for our league, we have over 220 teams, and over 2000 players paying into the league system here, with $90,000 in cash prizes over the course of last year.

220 teams, and 7 of them go to Vegas. Not bad.

Don't know how that breaks out, and I don't care. It's substantial enough, in my opinion, especially for a recreational league.
 
apa

were do u play meaning state as said by som1 else we only got around 3k hotel and plane tickets when i went know they give u even less money and u have 2 get your own plane tickets and they only give u 150 per person and when u call the apa about it they say it is up 2 the person running your league it is just a pyramid skeem they keep moving every 1 up so they get more peaple in the league and they make more money!!!
 
tmiller said:
were do u play meaning state as said by som1 else we only got around 3k hotel and plane tickets when i went know they give u even less money and u have 2 get your own plane tickets and they only give u 150 per person and when u call the apa about it they say it is up 2 the person running your league it is just a pyramid skeem they keep moving every 1 up so they get more peaple in the league and they make more money!!!
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Our league is in Maine, covers pretty much the whole state. I dunno about where the OP is from.

I don't know exactly what each team going to Vegas gets here, but I believe their airfare is paid, the rooms are paid, and they get some spending money, tho not too much, I expect. Hopefully next year I'll be able to find out for myself!
 
justadub said:
Just to add perspective to the numbers I quoted for our league, we have over 220 teams, and over 2000 players paying into the league system here, with $90,000 in cash prizes over the course of last year.

220 teams, and 7 of them go to Vegas. Not bad.

Don't know how that breaks out, and I don't care. It's substantial enough, in my opinion, especially for a recreational league.
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After thinking about it a little more, I think I have vastly underestimated the number of players in my area..

With over 300 teams, it should be up around 2000, and possibly well above that.
 
Lousiana

Sounds like Lousiana has a great APA league.

We played our Vegas regional back in early June. My Team won our regional bracket and are heading to Vegas!!

The way my APA is set up: each team member gets $700.00 towards the trip. We have to show trip confirmation (i.e. plane tickets, hotel) and then the L.O. gives us the money. If a member does not go they get $250.00.

I think they are sending 3 8-ball teams and 2 9-ball teams. Also, a scotch doubles mixed team.

After the hotel and plane expenses that $700.00 and some of my own money is gone, and I am not even able to book through to the end of the tournament. Obviously the trip will cost me $$$, food,drink, transportation, miscellaneous, and maybe gambling:grin:
In the past the L.O. booked the whole trip for the team: airfare and hotel at the Riviera, but as the league grew I think that became a logistic nightmare for them. They also got F...d by a few ungratefuls so they stopped. :( Oh well.

Anyway, I hope to have fun. First time in the 8-ball team competition.

My team and I have had a strong run to get there and have overcome some serious obstacles. Last August our team Captain died in a horrific car accident. We renamed the team in remembrance of him. The journey to get here has helped us all heal. The team has truly come together from the lower skill levels to the highest.
 
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Runnintable said:
Sounds like Lousiana has a great APA league.

We played our Vegas regional back in early June. My Team won our regional bracket and are heading to Vegas!!

The way my APA is set up: each team member gets $700.00 towards the trip. We have to show trip confirmation (i.e. plane tickets, hotel) and then the L.O. gives us the money. If a member does not go they get $250.00.

I think they are sending 3 8-ball teams and 2 9-ball teams. Also, a scotch doubles mixed team.

After the hotel and plane expenses that $700.00 and some of my own money is gone, and I am not even able to book through to the end of the tournament. Obviously the trip will cost me $$$, food,drink, transportation, miscellaneous, and maybe gambling:grin:
In the past the L.O. booked the whole trip for the team: airfare and hotel at the Riviera, but as the league grew I think that became a logistic nightmare for them. They also got F...d by a few ungratefuls so they stopped. :( Oh well.

Anyway, I hope to have fun. First time in the 8-ball team competition.

My team and I have had a strong run to get there and have overcome some serious obstacles. Last August our team Captain died in a horrific car accident. We renamed the team in remembrance of him. The journey to get here has helped us all heal. The team has truly come together from the lower skill levels to the highest.
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Congratulations, and good luck!
 
I think teams in this area get the best deal of all, especially for those who play on multiple teams and mulitple nights and average about $600 a year in league fees, quaters and anything else they incur on a league night. I think they get about $350 each to cover their ticket and room which is a joke. On the plus side, they send 3 teams though...1 in 9 ball and 2 in 8 ball. Another thing that is good for them is the fact they are all overhandicapped and the league is run by someone who cant spell pool if you spot them the P and the L.
 
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Found our local APA league info, directly from their website....

The Charlotte Metro APA Pays Out Over $150,000 Annually!

That's over $150,000 dollars paid out in prize monies and trophies to our members right here in Charlotte. Add that to the over $1.5 Million paid out at National APA Tournaments and Events and you can see why the APA is #1.


CHARLOTTE METRO APA 8-Ball Higher Level Tournaments



The Divison Winners of regular session will compete in the National Qualifier. The Playoff Winners will compete in a 2nd Chance tournament to see who plays in the National Qualifier. We will fill all byes with a random draw from the Sportsmanship Winners.

We will send ten (10) eight ball teams and four (4) nine ball teams to the Nationals with a Travel Assistance Fund of $8,000 per team.
 
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