APA question....
- Thread starter tigerseye
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How about this? They other does NOT have to pay. Only your team. You pay you get the points for the win. If nobody for their team shows up they get no point and they do not have to pay. If only one person shows up for their team they have to pay the full payment.
The money they owe will continue to follow the team Captain of that team the next session, and he should start losing points off those matches as well, or risk suspension. At least, that's how it's done here.
Well they did have 1 guy show up but i talked him into forfeiting just to save himself and myself some cash.... BUt it looks lilke we gotta pay anyway....:angry:.....what a crock of poo poo....:kma:
The only proble with them losing points is they are in dead last place and it doesnt matter to them at thins point.... We are in 1st so we are stuck with paying and they are gonna get out of it....Thats another crock of poo poo...:thumbup:
Why?
Because you are the base of the pyramid and those above you want their dough yo! :angry: Grrrrrrrr!
Congrats on leading your league though and best of luck to ya! :thumbup:
Because you are the base of the pyramid and those above you want their dough yo! :angry: Grrrrrrrr!
Congrats on leading your league though and best of luck to ya! :thumbup:
Because that's where the payback money from any league comes from, the weekly fees. A league counts on having money coming in based on the number of teams and the weeks those teams will play. It has to get paid the full amount every week to make things work right. How would you like it if you played all session and came in first and then only got half of the promised payout because some of the other teams didn't pay the full amount each week during the session?
While it's true you did not play, you were awarded points for the match.
I dont run an APA league. I do run a BCA league. The reason you have to pay is because the prize money is based on everyone paying the same amount of money. Example ; If your dues are $30 a week and you play 10 weeks. Every team is responsible for $300. Now you get the forfeit, your team doesnt pay. Your team has only paid $270 into the prize fund and every team had to pay $300. The rest of the league shouldnt have to absorb your $30 short. I hope this makes sense.
mongoose-
Banned
It is stipulated right in the rulebook that regardless if there is a forfeit the money is still owed. That is how the payouts are calculated... if teams didn't pay just bc of forfeit it would mess up the whole final payout. We do that in our ACS league we run here too. You make a comitment to playing a session you are expected to pay the dues.
Just to make a point, the majority of APA league play does not involve cash payback. Some league operators have some divisions that have a payback, but the league is not based on that principle, and few do it. If you want to play league for a payback, other than the fun of playing, the APA is not the right league for you. If a team forfeits a match, as was mentioned, the fees owed will follow into the next session, or whenever those players play again. The reason the fees are paid by everyone, whether there is a forfeit or not, is because those are the rules. Play by the rules, or don't play.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
mongoose-
Banned
Who in their right mind would play a league that did not pay back. What is going on with all this money if they aren't paying back. And just what is being given for prizes.
mr8ball
Active member
You only get money in the APA if you go to Vegas. If you winn everything and do not go to Vegas you get nothing!! That's right nothing!! The money will go down the line until someone takes the trip and if they never happens then the APA will keep the money for themselves. We had a team winn here and did not want to go to Vegas and that is what they were told. They ended up going and it cost them more then they won. What a joke. We also have a league (5 player teams) here and you winn $6000.00 and then you can decide if you want to go to Vegas or not (BCA or VNEA) That is the way a league is suppose to be run. JMO
tigerseye, maybe a different point of view would help you here.
If the game had been a scheduled bye you would not have to pay at all. You would also get 3 points for the bye. 3 points would not hurt you, but the possibility to get more is not there. No one get individual points toward the top shooters tournament.
On the other hand, you are in first place and want to stay there. The more points the better. If it was me, I would fill out the score sheet with the names of 5 people from my team. 5 people from the opposing team (with the best point combination possible). Image that, my 3 near the top of the top shooters list played there best 5.Then have them lose each match by forfeit. Our team get 5 points instead of 3 for the team and my players get points toward the top shooters tournament.
My team came to play and pay their dues anyway, so; we pay, we win. It looks like a win/win situation for my team and players.
Just my way to look at that situation. Flettir
mongoose-
Banned
I know how the payout for the trip goes. But when I played APA the divisionals always had cash payback here & from what I knew or THOUGHT I knew it worked that way everywhere but apparently from what Scott said it don't. And I agree it is a JOKE thus why I do not play in it any more.
No offence, but if you are looking to win/earn money, your bar pool leage will leave you short changed (no pun intended)!
mongoose-
Banned
No doubt... a league isn't for the money but I would hope the league at least pays back the majority of what is put in. We pay back 100% of the dues paid in our ACS league.. well minus the table fees. We charge $10 a night... $2 goes to the house... the rest is ALL paid back at the end of each session. When we started we had 4 teams... the APA had 8.. we paid back a total of $2400.. paying 1st,2nd,3rd teams... the APA paid back a TOTAL purse fund to 3 teams of $900. Funnyyyyy stuff huh lol.
That's not how it works everywhere. The APA basically offers up a format and the national organization (including Vegas), and lets the franchise owners determine most of the details on how they run their local organizations. Mine pays a little bit for first every season (about $150 or so), gives out pretty nice trophies to first and second in two tiers, and then goes all out on the regional tournaments they hold three times a year for the season winning teams. Everyone who plays gets something, from $200 or so if you go one and out to more than enough money to take the team to Vegas for the people who qualify for it. They also have free tournaments with cash and prizes for the MVPs of each session and all the division reps, they pay the players who qualify to go to the individuals in Vegas, along with doubles and Jack and Jill.
From what I've heard, it really seems like the APA can be a great experience with the right operator and a terrible one without. I really recommend it to new players as a way to learn the game. And if you ever end up in the Washington, DC area, you might want to check it out -- that's the organization I'm describing above.
mongoose-
Banned
That is a very good point and I agree a lot does depend on the LO. Though I think the money part & 23 rule is plain BS with the APA I will be the first to say their event in Vegas I thought was a top notch run show.