APA sudden death

jongreve said:
I'm just a 5, I don't know much.

What I do know is that I'd much rather play your "Super 7" a race to 1 as opposed to playing out the full set. I like my odds better here.
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Your reasoning is very sound. The super 7 will have the added pressure of only one game and everything he does is now more important. One bad safe, one missed routine bank, an early eight from a cluster breakout, an unexpected bad roll in position play among other unforeseen things that happen in a regular game of eight ball.

A level 5 is very capable of running a table that does not have many problem balls. His chances of winning a single game is better than trying to win the 3 games he will need to win beat the super 7.

The super 7 will be more relaxed when he knows that a single mistake will not lose the match. Having the cushion of being able to make a mistake, etc, is what will allow him to play like a super 7. The added pressure of just having one game to deal with may have him lose his super ranking.
 
kaznj said:
We play as well as we can all time. Our best are two middle level 6's.

Sounds like you are a bit too concerned about the upper SLs, although I agree that a mid level SL6 is likely to be outclassed by the SL7 in many cases. Such is the case on the high and low end of APA; You never really know based on the ratings what level the a SL2 or SL7 plays at. There is almost no limit, within reason, how good or bad they can be. Of course, SL3 is the minimum SL you can shoot at during high level tournament play.

Not all the time does it come down to the SL6s and SL7s. More than likely, the matches come down to SL3s and SL4s. And is some cases, SL3s and SL4s who are underrated.
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Just wondering if what I just read is correct.
Does a woman who is an SL 2 for the season and then gets to the regionals and or Vegas, gets moved up to a SL 3 automatically?
 
a few weekends ago for our 8ball team cities tournament I had to play two sudden death matches for my team. I'm a 7 but I don't think I'm a super 7 you refer to. But that doesn't matter, it's only one game. If the people I played actually would have played a good safe on me then they could have won.

Also if you tell your players to play slow, it doesn't mean the match will take long because my players aren't going to play slow if yours are, meaning, your players don't have any control over how fast another teams players can win, since they would be shooting and your guys won't be.

oh yea, we are going to vegas in august as well!
 
My team has been to Vegas three times now , going for the fourth ! You only play on one table . We have a member that just has very slow play and we had an official come over and warn us about the time limit . He sat there and watched his game to make sure he wasnt trying to go to the suden death on purpose ! GOOD LUCK to you and your team . Where are you staying while there ?
 
poolsnake69 said:
My team has been to Vegas three times now , going for the fourth ! You only play on one table . We have a member that just has very slow play and we had an official come over and warn us about the time limit . He sat there and watched his game to make sure he wasnt trying to go to the suden death on purpose ! GOOD LUCK to you and your team . Where are you staying while there ?
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we are staying at the sahara!
 
JE54 said:
Just wondering if what I just read is correct.
Does a woman who is an SL 2 for the season and then gets to the regionals and or Vegas, gets moved up to a SL 3 automatically?
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Yes, both men and women play as an SL3 at any APA tournament considered a "high level tournament". The only time being a male or female means anything is when first entering the leage, men start as SL4, women SL3.

Keep this in mind when trying to stay under the 23 team points rule, and that your possibly competitive SL2 may become a weak SL3. This in many cases can be a problem for many teams.
 
Gregg said:
Yes, both men and women play as an SL3 at any APA tournament considered a "high level tournament". The only time being a male or female means anything is when first entering the leage, men start as SL4, women SL3.

Keep this in mind when trying to stay under the 23 team points rule, and that your possibly competitive SL2 may become a weak SL3. This in many cases can be a problem for many teams.
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This is incorrect Gregg. Women may play as a 2 if that is their current handicap. We had 2 of them on our team last year the whole way through.
 
wrong info

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Gregg said:
Yes, both men and women play as an SL3 at any APA tournament considered a "high level tournament". The only time being a male or female means anything is when first entering the leage, men start as SL4, women SL3.

Keep this in mind when trying to stay under the 23 team points rule, and that your possibly competitive SL2 may become a weak SL3. This in many cases can be a problem for many teams.
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You are not correct !
Male 2's play as 3's in 8ball in higher level tournaments

no male 1's in 9b
I suggest you check out APA player manual and also go on website for updated rules and FAQ
also if you have a question PM me for correct info location resource!
Good Rolls!
 
fish on, I was not aware of any male 2's in the apa 8 ball division. Only women are allowed to be 2's.

Poolsnake, we are staying at Treasure Island. I would like the convience of staying at the Riveria, but I have seen so many negative posts here on the az forum about the bad service,food, and everything.
 
I may stand corrected here, and I never give out information unless I am quite certain that I have an understanding of what I am talking about. I much rather say nothing than give incorrect information.

As for eight ball at city level or greater or at money tournaments, I know men shoot as SL3s even if they are SL2s during reg. league night. I am almost positive the same goes for women as well, but I may stand to be corrected. In fact, can someone point me in the direction of where in the most current APA team handbook this is covered- http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf

I looked briefly, but didn't find any info.
 
If you have a chance ,one night go check out Freemont Street ! We had a ball there .They have a great light show ,and they party on the streets !
 
Page 85 Official Team Manual
This can be viewed online also at APA website
go to site map on right side of home page click on site map then go to team manual also check out player FAQ a must read for team captains and officials


Wealth of info is there for all to see!
Good Rolls!
 
Several posters corrected me on APA play at higher level play being played on just one table. Since I have been out of the APA for 15 yrs, things must have changed. Not surprising! LOL Thanks for the corrections! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
times up!

Just saw this last night,i don,t know if either team stalled but it ended with a 6 beating a 4 in sudden death..kinda goofy.

I believe males start at 4 and females at 2 if they are new players or new to the APA,after that the rating they obtain is based on how they play.
 
kaznj said:
Those of you that understood my question and offered information, I thank you. The rest of you, go back to school and learn how to read.
If I have this correct now, there is a 3:45 hour limit before the league imposes a sudden death. If we are in the 4th match regardless of who is winning the two players would play one game for their match. If the team match is now 2 all we would play a 5th match which would be one game.
My concern here is that I don't have the one super player. We play as well as we can all time. Our best are two middle level 6's. I guess we need to save one in case it comes down to a one game 5th match for all the marbles. We are taking two 6's, three 5's , one 4, and two 3's. One of the 3's is very weak. We do not plan to use him unless we have to. Two of the 5's are splitting the tournament. One is coming with us on Monday and leaves Wednesday when the second 5 will show up.
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Once into sudden death time, you finish the match that is under way normally. The next match that you begin goes into the 1 game sudden death.
 
Thanks Gwen. Since my original post I have been told the same thing by several other people.
Smooth, men start as 4's and women start as 3's. Men can only go down as low as 3 and women 2's. This is 8 ball only. 9 ball has higher and lower ratings.
 
kaznj said:
Thanks Gwen. Since my original post I have been told the same thing by several other people.
Smooth, men start as 4's and women start as 3's. Men can only go down as low as 3 and women 2's. This is 8 ball only. 9 ball has higher and lower ratings.
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Kaznj,

This may be a rule imposed by your local league op. However, during normal league play, male players can be SL2 in 8 ball, and SL 1 in 9 ball. I have had a couple of male 2s in 8 ball over the past few years. Even in our city tournaments, they play their current skill level. However, once they go to Vegas, they are automatically moved up to SL 3 (8 ball) or SL 2 (9 ball).
 
kaznj said:
Those of you that understood my question and offered information, I thank you. The rest of you, go back to school and learn how to read.
If I have this correct now, there is a 3:45 hour limit before the league imposes a sudden death. If we are in the 4th match regardless of who is winning the two players would play one game for their match. If the team match is now 2 all we would play a 5th match which would be one game.
My concern here is that I don't have the one super player. We play as well as we can all time. Our best are two middle level 6's. I guess we need to save one in case it comes down to a one game 5th match for all the marbles. We are taking two 6's, three 5's , one 4, and two 3's. One of the 3's is very weak. We do not plan to use him unless we have to. Two of the 5's are splitting the tournament. One is coming with us on Monday and leaves Wednesday when the second 5 will show up.
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Enjoy Vegas, judging from the one time I was there for the APA, your team will have a very tough row to hoe. Not all the teams sandbagged their way to Vegas, but enough have to make me think your team as you describe it will have to have all the stars align to win. Unless of course, you're the sandbagging team. :)
 
An easy way to avoid sudden death is this:

If your shooter does not look like they are going win, tell them to concede the match.
 
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