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kaznj

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My team is going to Vegas in August, I recently heard about an interesting rule.
There is a 3 hour time limit for the match between 2 teams. The APA has a top rating of 7 for 8 ball players. Some players are clearly above that. They are not cheating. They just are much better than any other 7. If the rating went higher these players might be 8's or 9's.
Here is the flaw in the system. My team plays your team. We have one of the "super" 7's. We put up three players and tell them to play slowly. We run over the 3 hour limit and the league "time is up, play a one game sudden death match". We put up our super 7 and all you have left is a 5. We have forced you into a situation that heavily favors us.
Are any of you familar with this scenerio?
I don't think I have ever played a team match that lasted less than 3 hours. Most team matches last around 4 hours.
 
First why did you tell your players to shoot slow?
If you want your players to play at there best why ask them to slow down other then to force a sudden death match.
 
NoBull9 said:
First why did you tell your players to shoot slow?
If you want your players to play at there best why ask them to slow down other then to force a sudden death match.
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He is not saying that he tells them to shoot slow. He is saying that is the strategy some less scrupulous teams use to gain an unfair advantage...
 
renard said:
He is not saying that he tells them to shoot slow. He is saying that is the strategy some less scrupulous teams use to gain an unfair advantage...
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How does that work if it is nine ball? Winner of the game? Most points?
 
D_Lewis said:
How does that work if it is nine ball? Winner of the game? Most points?
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I dunno... don't play it. Sandbagging's not my style. APA that is.
 
kaznj said:
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Kaznj.... One major flaw in your strategy.

Sudden death does not mean a match between 2 players (1 on each team), will decide the faith of the whole team. It means that all matches will be decided on a 1 game basis until either team reaches 3 wins for their team. Like it or dislike it (we're not debating here), that's just the way it is.

So, that may be an advantage as you say, for your super 7. But then it may equally be a disadvantage for any other players that you have to play, in order to reach the 3 match wins for the team.

Basically, at that point, you're no longer doing races... it's simply 1 game format like BCA.
 
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FLICKit said:
Kaznj.... One major flaw in your strategy.

Sudden death does not mean a match between 2 players (1 on each team), will decide the faith of the whole team. It means that all matches will be decided on a 1 game basis until either team reaches 3 wins for their team. Like it or dislike it (we're not debating here), that's just the way it is.

So, that may be an advantage as you say, for your super 7. But then it may equally be a disadvantage for any other players that you have to play, in order to reach the 3 match wins for the team.

Basically, at that point, you're no longer doing races... it's simply 1 game format like BCA.
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What is the faith of the team? Catholic? Baptist?
:p

Do you mean FATE? :D
 
kaznj said:
My team is going to Vegas in August, I recently heard about an interesting rule.
There is a 3 hour time limit for the match between 2 teams. The APA has a top rating of 7 for 8 ball players. Some players are clearly above that. They are not cheating. They just are much better than any other 7. If the rating went higher these players might be 8's or 9's.
Here is the flaw in the system. My team plays your team. We have one of the "super" 7's. We put up three players and tell them to play slowly. We run over the 3 hour limit and the league "time is up, play a one game sudden death match". We put up our super 7 and all you have left is a 5. We have forced you into a situation that heavily favors us.
Are any of you familar with this scenerio?
I don't think I have ever played a team match that lasted less than 3 hours. Most team matches last around 4 hours.
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Do you know it is still a race to 3 out of five.
not win last game and it is over
every match is a race to one after 3:45 time limit
clear enough ?
 
kaznj...I don't know if your APA league plays on two tables or not, but all national tournaments are played on two tables for each team match. That usually takes care of the 'time limit' problem. If not, as has been posted, after the time limit expires, all matches are decided on a one-game basis, until one teams wins 3 matches. BTW, good luck with your team...and see you in VA in a few weeks!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

kaznj said:
My team is going to Vegas in August, I recently heard about an interesting rule.
There is a 3 hour time limit for the match between 2 teams. The APA has a top rating of 7 for 8 ball players. Some players are clearly above that. They are not cheating. They just are much better than any other 7. If the rating went higher these players might be 8's or 9's.
Here is the flaw in the system. My team plays your team. We have one of the "super" 7's. We put up three players and tell them to play slowly. We run over the 3 hour limit and the league "time is up, play a one game sudden death match". We put up our super 7 and all you have left is a 5. We have forced you into a situation that heavily favors us.
Are any of you familar with this scenerio?
I don't think I have ever played a team match that lasted less than 3 hours. Most team matches last around 4 hours.
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Scott Lee said:
kaznj...I don't know if your APA league plays on two tables or not, but all national tournaments are played on two tables for each team match.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I played team nationals last year and we played on one table. This is incorrect information. We also play on 1 table during our regionals AND playoffs.
 
All of the local regional tournaments I've ever played - trying to qualify for Vegas - were on one table. And we always had that same 3:45 (I believe) time limit.

The trick with a team all trying to play slow to force a sudden death is, the opposing team can call a ref over if the ref chooses, he can have the other player put on a shot clock. If that player continues to play too slow, the ref can declare a forfeit and award the match win to the other team.

One simply has to be aware of this stuff and be watchful of it, and speak up when they feel like they need to.
 
D_Lewis said:
I played team nationals last year and we played on one table. This is incorrect information. We also play on 1 table during our regionals AND playoffs.
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I've been to Vegas at least 10 times for APA teams and you are correct. Always on 1 table.
 
dogginda9 said:
I've been to Vegas at least 10 times for APA teams and you are correct. Always on 1 table.
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sandbagger!

hahaah. jk

I am going in august for my third time...... in a year. :eek:
 
kaznj said:
My team is going to Vegas in August, I recently heard about an interesting rule.
There is a 3 hour time limit for the match between 2 teams. The APA has a top rating of 7 for 8 ball players. Some players are clearly above that. They are not cheating. They just are much better than any other 7. If the rating went higher these players might be 8's or 9's.
Here is the flaw in the system. My team plays your team. We have one of the "super" 7's. We put up three players and tell them to play slowly. We run over the 3 hour limit and the league "time is up, play a one game sudden death match". We put up our super 7 and all you have left is a 5. We have forced you into a situation that heavily favors us.
Are any of you familar with this scenerio?
I don't think I have ever played a team match that lasted less than 3 hours. Most team matches last around 4 hours.
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Exactly what happend to us (in 9 ball) and it sucks so bad I won't be playing APA again because of it.

Basically came down to sudden death with our team up a few points after losing the first 2 matches. Other team puts up one of the strongest woman players I've seen in person that wasn't on the payroll. Wins the lag , crushes the break and runs 2 1/2 racks straight to win in sudden death where she get's 2 points per ball. Oh yeah , she was rated a 5 :eek: and played it out in front of 2 local refs who said nothing . . . but that's a whole other discussion.
 
If it takes 3 hours or more to complete a match both teams should get back on the plane and go home and play Chess. 3 hours, what a joke. Johnnyt
 
Those of you that understood my question and offered information, I thank you. The rest of you, go back to school and learn how to read.
If I have this correct now, there is a 3:45 hour limit before the league imposes a sudden death. If we are in the 4th match regardless of who is winning the two players would play one game for their match. If the team match is now 2 all we would play a 5th match which would be one game.
My concern here is that I don't have the one super player. We play as well as we can all time. Our best are two middle level 6's. I guess we need to save one in case it comes down to a one game 5th match for all the marbles. We are taking two 6's, three 5's , one 4, and two 3's. One of the 3's is very weak. We do not plan to use him unless we have to. Two of the 5's are splitting the tournament. One is coming with us on Monday and leaves Wednesday when the second 5 will show up.
 
I'm just a 5, I don't know much.

What I do know is that I'd much rather play your "Super 7" a race to 1 as opposed to playing out the full set. I like my odds better here.
 
jongreve you have a point. Anybody can win one game. I can beat efren one game. Granted I might have to play 1000 games,but I'll take the game. The problem is that I know some players, who on a bar table are easy run out players. If my opponent runs all of his balls and leaves me my seven balls and the eight, I am better than 50-50 to run out, but not much more than 50-50. I know players under the same circumstances are 90-95% likely to run out.
 
You won't be seeing my team in Vegas for APA 9 ball. we went 2 to 2 with a 40 to 40 point score. lost our last game by one ball. final score52 to 48.
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