I comes down to this. I've always said you can't play good pool without good equipment. And a trip to vegas is good but i would rather have the cash.
APA Vegas is a joke
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Again, if you continue to "support" the same system, nothing will ever change. Start creating your own leagues, get an ACS House League, and you control the money, the rules, and then anytime somone wants to compete at the ACS tournament is free to pay their entry fee and have a hell of a time on good equipment.
Heck, if you found 4 teams, and you played three sessions a year, you could send a team to vegas... so your odds are 4-1 to go to Vegas for an ACS tournament...or whatever league you chose (BCAPL, whatever)... it's still 4-1 !!!.
No winning the league, winning the playoffs, then going to city wide, etc.etc.... just accumlate enough points during 1 year of play with the 4 team format and off you go.
Thus, you get 4 points for winning one session, second place gets 3, third gets 2 and last gets 1 point. Then play the next session, and then the third session, and whomever had the most points goes to Vegas just on the fee's collecting during the 3 sessions.
It's not hard at all to run a 4 team league, and soon more teams will want to play with the 4-1 odds.... when you get to 8 teams, then send 2 teams OR just pay out everyone back in cash (which is what our league of 16 does) AND our LO does NOT get paid. And I did not get paid when I was the LO either.... The person who keeps the stats and puts out the schedules gets paid, and we kick back money each night to the HOUSE so we can play on good equipment..... that is it.
So, if you don't have any options besides APA, step up and try something different..... All you have do is find 3 teams to join your current team... and you are done,,,, nothing to lose, everything to gain. Hell, I"ll help anyone that needs it, just send me a PM and I will show you exactly what you need to do to get started......
Heck, if you found 4 teams, and you played three sessions a year, you could send a team to vegas... so your odds are 4-1 to go to Vegas for an ACS tournament...or whatever league you chose (BCAPL, whatever)... it's still 4-1 !!!.
No winning the league, winning the playoffs, then going to city wide, etc.etc.... just accumlate enough points during 1 year of play with the 4 team format and off you go.
Thus, you get 4 points for winning one session, second place gets 3, third gets 2 and last gets 1 point. Then play the next session, and then the third session, and whomever had the most points goes to Vegas just on the fee's collecting during the 3 sessions.
It's not hard at all to run a 4 team league, and soon more teams will want to play with the 4-1 odds.... when you get to 8 teams, then send 2 teams OR just pay out everyone back in cash (which is what our league of 16 does) AND our LO does NOT get paid. And I did not get paid when I was the LO either.... The person who keeps the stats and puts out the schedules gets paid, and we kick back money each night to the HOUSE so we can play on good equipment..... that is it.
So, if you don't have any options besides APA, step up and try something different..... All you have do is find 3 teams to join your current team... and you are done,,,, nothing to lose, everything to gain. Hell, I"ll help anyone that needs it, just send me a PM and I will show you exactly what you need to do to get started......
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Yeah,
I am in one of those areas that ACS, BCAPL, TAP, and whatever else is non existence.
Well, I DID NOT GO TO THE APA VEGAS, AND I DO NOT PLAY APA.
My opinion if I was leading the APA, is this event and trip to Vegas is their carrot to get folks to play...."You can win a trip to Vegas!" I would make damn sure that everything was top notch.
Sure, you can never make everyone happy. But damn, this is celebration (AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE), if you would do it right, the APA would send back to all areas of the country cheerleaders/champions instead of the disgruntled bunch that seems to follow this event.
Again, I didnt go, but my suggestion to APA;
1. Set the tables as freaking perfect as possible, and then have a pretty good crew working at ALL times to correct if one is suggested that is it off.
2. Make the tables free. Now come on, are you telling me that this is going to break the APA? Again, this chump change that they are robbing folks isnt enough to pay for anything, but is just a nitty move.
3. It seems to me that the purpose should be a celebration and to say "THANKS APA PLAYERS". Instead it appears to me that this is a "FUND RAISER" for the APA. Really a missed opportunity.
It just seems to me that it is a nitty event in terms of the APA. I am sure I am missing alot of it. But if I owned a hotel in Vegas, and could garenttee that I would be booked fully for the period (off season) I would GIVE the room to put all of the tables. I am sure APA is getting a great deal, and making a percentage (if they aren't they are too stupid).
JMO
Best of rolls to all,
Ken
My opinion if I was leading the APA, is this event and trip to Vegas is their carrot to get folks to play...."You can win a trip to Vegas!" I would make damn sure that everything was top notch.
Sure, you can never make everyone happy. But damn, this is celebration (AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE), if you would do it right, the APA would send back to all areas of the country cheerleaders/champions instead of the disgruntled bunch that seems to follow this event.
Again, I didnt go, but my suggestion to APA;
1. Set the tables as freaking perfect as possible, and then have a pretty good crew working at ALL times to correct if one is suggested that is it off.
2. Make the tables free. Now come on, are you telling me that this is going to break the APA? Again, this chump change that they are robbing folks isnt enough to pay for anything, but is just a nitty move.
3. It seems to me that the purpose should be a celebration and to say "THANKS APA PLAYERS". Instead it appears to me that this is a "FUND RAISER" for the APA. Really a missed opportunity.
It just seems to me that it is a nitty event in terms of the APA. I am sure I am missing alot of it. But if I owned a hotel in Vegas, and could garenttee that I would be booked fully for the period (off season) I would GIVE the room to put all of the tables. I am sure APA is getting a great deal, and making a percentage (if they aren't they are too stupid).
JMO
Best of rolls to all,
Ken
Otay !! Now contacxt three captains about forming a "new" league. It can be run under any league "flag" you want, just pay the yearly dues, and you are official.
Find a bar that has at least 2 tables, 4 would be best, or a pool room that does not have a league on the night you need, and tell them you will have 4 teams coming in every week at the same time to eat and drink..... They will LOVE you.
Hopefully, they cut you a little slack on the coin ops by opening them up, or just pay the fee, either workds, but it would be very reasonable to kick them back a few bucks a night to "maintain" the tables. Maybe like $1 or $2 bucks per player if they open the tables.
And when you mention that out of your 4 teams somebody is gonna to VEgas, no questions, no torneys, no city wide, no BS, you win the league, you go to Vegas.....4-1 odds and off you go. Who is not gonna like a 25% chance to go to Vegas for shooting in their little bar league every week ??
And the three teams that "lose" can still go to Vegas on their own dime, because now they are sanctioned league players based on the system you adopt......so you guys can all go.... or pay half for the top 2 finishers.... whatever you want to do... it is your league.....
This begs another question, maybe it should be a new thread or maybe it's a taboo subject that shouldn't be discussed at all, but here goes...
The quoted post mentions the phrase "Win a trip to Vegas", what we actually win is the opportunity to play in the APA National Team Championship tournament. There is NO guaranteed cash prize or any other prize of any value garanteed. Now, I believe that most, if not all, LO's come up with some kind of funds to at least help cover travel expenses. I saw a photo of a team on this AZB web site of the group holding one of those giant checks for $6000 after winning their qualifer, in our area here we got about half that. Since there doesn't seem to be a set or specified amount coming from the APA, I wonder if some folks might be willing to mention what they actually received for winning a Vegas qualifer. I met one player that told me they didn't get anything until they got back at which point the LO would reimburse them for flight (or gas if they drove) and hotel plus $100 per player that made the trip, any money they won there was strictly for them to use or distribute. Anyone willing to share?
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No matter what someone,,anyone says on here,,,there's someone else that will disagree. What I said is exactly correct.
Over time ,,(YOU SAY),,,yes the better player will win. How in the hell,is that going to help in a tournament,,where your only playing a few games against your opponent.
A guy who practices allot,,puts his time in. Knows how a table rolls. And knows how to get shapes on 3 rails. Well its all out the window on bad tables. And now you have to adjust.Adjust when and where you shouldn't have to if the tables were even close to correct.
Bad tables evens the field for a lessor player. Period!!!!!!
Our prize for winning city was our airfare, hotel room and entry to the National tourny. We didnt receive any cash.
one stroke...Do you realize that ALL the national tournaments (BCAPL, ACS, VNEA, APA), whether they are played on Valley or Diamond tables, are set up a $1 a game?
For the rest of you...I've mentioned this many times before, but nobody seems to remember. At these national tournaments the hosting organization does NOT own the tables. They are farmed out to third party companies, who set the table fee, what cloth is on them, how new it is (or isn't), and all the other variables.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
For the rest of you...I've mentioned this many times before, but nobody seems to remember. At these national tournaments the hosting organization does NOT own the tables. They are farmed out to third party companies, who set the table fee, what cloth is on them, how new it is (or isn't), and all the other variables.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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one stroke...Sorry, but this post proves that you know very little about APA. The local league operators have been paying back in city cups for more than 20 years. In some of the bigger areas the prize money is over $100K (and was 20 years ago).
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott,
Do you remember when the VNEA tried to raise the tables to $1.25? Didn't last long. Someone figured out the tokens sold at Slots-O-Fun worked just fine in the Valley tables. They were a lot less. Change machines were revised quickly back to five for five dollars!
High Plains Productions supplies the tables for VNEA, ACS and APA. Not sure about TAP. Bad Boys supplies the Diamonds for the BCAPL and USAPL. Doubt very highly either Gary or Rick intentionally wants to give any player a bad table to play on. Having played on both Valley's and Diamond's this May, my guess is, it is more the cue balls in use than the tables. Yes, there were a few tables I heard of in need of further leveling. The numbers were very small in relation to the total number of tables in use.
Lyn
,, I have played APA on and off 20 yrs have 420 matches in and play in the largest APA area in the country and one owed by a personal friend of mine they did not start paying any money for reginals untill my 3rd year in and it was pennies at best and if you know so much you would know that the 8ball teams do not pay for games but the masters does and by all means show me a leaque operater paying out 100k
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perfect tables
First of all there is no such thing as a perfect table and we all know that you are full of crap if you say that you never played on or saw a table that was level or played well. your entire post is a piece of shit and you obviously need some help. what a goof
First of all there is no such thing as a perfect table and we all know that you are full of crap if you say that you never played on or saw a table that was level or played well. your entire post is a piece of shit and you obviously need some help. what a goof
payouts
You continue to show your ignorance in every post. Our area paid over 83k locally this past league year. and we have only a couple hundred teams. there are many areas that do pay out more.
The masters is a pre registered event. League operators can run a masters division or divisions or can just give the slot to a team if they want. the other national championships such as ladies, open 9 ball and open 8 ball can not be handed out and each area has so many slots based on their size.
So until it isn't a pre registered event you will pay for your tables as you should..
You continue to show your ignorance in every post. Our area paid over 83k locally this past league year. and we have only a couple hundred teams. there are many areas that do pay out more.
The masters is a pre registered event. League operators can run a masters division or divisions or can just give the slot to a team if they want. the other national championships such as ladies, open 9 ball and open 8 ball can not be handed out and each area has so many slots based on their size.
So until it isn't a pre registered event you will pay for your tables as you should..
Thats pretty good coming from a twitt ,, Im throwing the BS flag on 200 teams paying out 83k ,, and second I have played on countless perfect tables with good cloth dead level and perfect rails,, even a vally
infact we had one in our basement yrs ago so do give me that shit you are F--king clueless,,
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I wonder why Pool is dead
Maybe its cuz theres too many scared heartless Wimps that would rather
***** and ***** then go out and play
Heres a story, SVB was in town looking for a game, something cheap $500
a set.
This was how the game went down
SVB "play some $500 a set"
XXX" what you wanna give up"
SVB" What you want"
XXX" The breaks and 2 on the wire goin to 9"
SVB" Sure, lets play"
You see the difference between being a champion at heart, and just *****ing and *****ing...
And before anyone says " well thats SVB"
may I remind you, that Mister SVB started out as a barbox 8 ball league player
Thats all Ive got to say.. peace...:thumbup:
I think the biggest problem with the APA tournament is where they hold it. The Riviera is the biggest Sh*t hole I have ever seen in my life. You book the hotel months in advance wait in line over an hour to check in and then they tell you they dont have the upgraded rooms you purchased. Well we *****ed up a storm and ended up staying in the LVH( the old hilton) across the street for the whole week. Which worked out so much better for my team. The staff at the LVH was great and the place was spotless and had great places to eat. Even before the rain came there was water leaking all over the floor in the buffet room. After the rain came that place got even shittier. You walk in to the main entrance and see garbage cans and buckets catching the leaking water from the ceiling! Not to mention that during a mini match ceiling tiles gave way due to a water leak and landed on a womans head. No wonder the APA holds the tournament there because they cant pay much to have it there. I was really shocked to see the terrible conditions of the hotels and restaurants in the Riv.