APA Vegas is a joke

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This thread is starting to be an annual occurence, and that is just pathetic for the management of the APA.
The masters tournament always seems to be an after thought that is run along side the bigger team championships. I get the impression that the APA management does not put a lot of stock into this event.
So play at your own risk. If you have the knowledge, a table can be tested (checked) within minutes and if it is not acceptable get the tournament director involved immediately prior to the match.
 
one stroke said:
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Yes Cory you were lucky I watched your matches as my friends were shooting on your team and your tables did not seem bad ,, however your team mates were not so lucky when they went to thier 8 ball teams and played on table 35 that was one of several I saw with the rails at the side pockets were push out making a on the rail shot past the pocket imposible to make , this thier is no excuse for



Ya rite:mad:

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I played in the 3 man event too. Like Cory, maybe I was lucky but I nvr played on a table with a horrible roll. We played 4 team matches and I spent plenty of time in the mini tourney room (where the Masters event was held too). Between practice and mini tourneys, I must have played on 30 different tables.

Granted, there were a couple of tables that rolled off a TINY bit, but, you have to really be rolling a super slow cueball for that to be noticed. I generally nvr play a touchy shot that softly on a bartable, for those reasons.

What I did notice is that the Aramith magnetic CB can be a lil different. Mainly, the Aramith ball tends to over draw. MAybe it's due to the design of having metal imbedded in the outer layer of the CB (not in the core) which gives it a gyro effect. For that matter, maybe it contributed to the rolls.

Lastly, I nvr noticed anything wrong with table 35. Coincidentally, my friends also played their team event on it. I believe it was the table on the front corner, second row from the tourney desk and had bleachers in front of it.


Eric
 
I do have to say that when I played in the Singles event this year out in Vegas the tables were crap as well. Granted they appeared to be mostly level but the felt is worthless. I don't understand why with the money that the APA makes they can't at least put new felt on the tables every year.

The reason they don't is because for the most part people in the league are all bar bangers and the majority don't know enough to complain about the tables.

I would love to see Diamond's at whatever casino takes them after the Riv. Hopefully its a newer casino too lol just not Chucky Cheese Circus Circus across the street.
 
Runnintable said:
This thread is starting to be an annual occurence, and that is just pathetic for the management of the APA.
The masters tournament always seems to be an after thought that is run along side the bigger team championships. I get the impression that the APA management does not put a lot of stock into this event.
So play at your own risk. If you have the knowledge, a table can be tested (checked) within minutes and if it is not acceptable get the tournament director involved immediately prior to the match.
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Sometimes the donkey finds that the carrot being dangled is actually limp and moldy.
 
ive been to vegas a number of times for apa and always have enjoyed playing their minis and higher level tournaments. I must be the minority I guess but I found that while the equipment varied alot and the tables often gave funky rolls, both players just have to adapt. it is what it is. Someone on my facebook said he watched Richard Schmeigel run six racks on the way to their team winning the Masters. Sounds like the tables were rolling good enough for some folks to run out and control their own destiny irregardless of bad rolls.
 
flash5153 said:
It evens the field for a lessor player. PERIOD!!!!
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The OP was playing in the masters, so you would think that everybody knows how to play at that level.
I have always thought that bad tables, nappy cloth, levels the playing field for the bangers.
If I have to change my game because of the tables, I would rather not play.
 
My buddy came from the singles event saying the same thing... worst equipment he'd ever played on.

It's bs to say "well a skilled player can overcome bad rolls". You can't 'play a roll' that you've never seen before. The first time the roll f*cks you... might be the last if some of these guys are capable of running 6 packs.

What rolls do is add a random outcome to the game. When one guy wins, it isn't because he 'adjusted to the rolls faster'. It's because the rolls turned a legitimate race into a coin flip, and one dude happened to come up heads.

If you decided you wanted to play a set for a grand, would you head to the local bar and use their beat-to-shít Valley table? Or do you go find a real table to play on (7 footer or not)?

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As for 'how can they run 6 packs despite bad rolls'... maybe that guy got the only good table in the joint. With dozens and dozens of tables, they can't all be terrible. Or maybe it's true that with "enough skill" you can adjust.

So what's 'enough skill'? An A player who can run a six pack? Where does that leave all the C players who joined a league that claims to be amateur friendly and wants to give players of all skill levels a fair shake?
 
Celophanewrap said:
Yea, it's true, the ball did roll in some odd directions, but my opponent was playing on the same table I was. The other team adjusted a little fast a little better. Maybe for that kind of money future years will bring Diamonds instead of Valleys. But every bar table has it's own personality. I hear this was the last year (or is it next year) for the contract at the Riv, new location, new changes?
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The APA will NEVER get Diamond tables untill they make peace with Mark Griffen and we all know that will NEVER happen. Mark was a major supporter of the APA then when they screwed him he went to BCA and took his Diamond tables with him. the tables there where a joke it was like playing on a ship....
 
uwate said:
ive been to vegas a number of times for apa and always have enjoyed playing their minis and higher level tournaments. I must be the minority I guess but I found that while the equipment varied alot and the tables often gave funky rolls, both players just have to adapt. it is what it is. Someone on my facebook said he watched Richard Schmeigel run six racks on the way to their team winning the Masters. Sounds like the tables were rolling good enough for some folks to run out and control their own destiny irregardless of bad rolls.
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I started a lot of $hit with the APA when i was there last week telling them how bad the tables are. I even gave them a list as i fix pool tables back home. I even put it on there FB page then at 1am i see two guys walking around tighting the rails on 3 tables look around then walk away.American Pocketbook Assassins i like that TX lmao
 
Bad tables fair for everyone?

Celophanewrap said:
There isn't much as discouraging as when you think you've hit a beautiful shot only to have the ball drift a little to the right or left because the table was set up poorly or the felt is inconsistent, but once you're in the match or in the middle of the tournament what are you gonna do? For me, I try to adjust the best I can as fast as I can. bltching and whining takes me even further from my best game. Frustrating? Absolutely, maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the better player will make adjustments and the cream will rise to the top and not try to build an excuse for just in case
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Yes, it's true that your opponent also has to play on the bad tables, but that doesn't necessarily make it a "level playing field" (pun intended).

I haven't been to a national event since '95, but before that I played in sixteen national tournaments, and conditions were virtually always good to excellent. I can remember VNEA and BCA events, where if your table had a demonstrably bad roll, the match would stop and within minutes there would be someone there with a level to correct the problem!

For those who just accept bad conditions, would you travel across the country to play in a golf tournament with no grass on the greens? Would you bowl on lanes with no finish or dressing? Would you play basketball on sand?

A former APA player friend says, "The APA turns HUGE profits, you'd think they might treat their members a bit better".

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
one stroke said:
I just got back from a very disapointing trip to the nationals where the biggest factor was who got the least amount of bad rolls ,

I was Playing in the masters division where we had the worst playing tables I have ever seen in turny at any level and to boot the masters division had to pay for the games not a quarter not 50 cents but a dollar a game, AUFKM,, they should be ashamed of them selfs ;;

we stumbled in to 33 out of 256 and got a whopping $150 witch did not even cover the cost of the tables, every single macth that was played was a crap shoot and the least deciding factor was the players skill at the table it was all about who got the rolls at the rite time

very disapointing to say the least

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Reading your post, I was wondering what part of the country you are from. And, do they still have 25 or 50 cent tables there? Honestly, I have not seen a 50 cent bar box in at least 20 years.
 
Our Masters team made it to the first money round. Yay for us! :thumbup:
I tended to overdraw the cueball like it was mentioned above. However, I thought the tables played well enough. We all had a great time and are looking forward to next year.
 
All I can say is YESSSS... APA is a joke although I have met some good people playing pool. There will be good ones and bad ones everywhere. The new name of American Pocketbook Assassins is perfect though! LOL
 
Out of 200± tables their is bound to be some good ones I liken it to a blind sqiurel finding a acorn. But anyone who thinks table 35 was a good table is void from this conversation because a blind man could see the side rails were out of line
 
one stroke said:
Out of 200± tables their is bound to be some good ones I liken it to a blind sqiurel finding a acorn. But anyone who thinks table 35 was a good table is void from this conversation because a blind man could see the side rails were out of line
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Since your comment was directed at me, Let me ask you a question...

Did you actually play on table 35?


Eric
 
I have never seen a perfect Pool Table. I just got back from Vegas Myself and didnt have a bad time. You might be going there for the wrong reason. It is about having fun not making money that is not what the APA is about. Just a little side not i finished in the money 7 out of the 9 Mini's I played in.
 
50 cent bar box?

IbeAnEngineer said:
Reading your post, I was wondering what part of the country you are from. And, do they still have 25 or 50 cent tables there? Honestly, I have not seen a 50 cent bar box in at least 20 years.
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When I started playing, coin-ops were a dime a game (1950s), then 2 dimes, then a quarter, two quarters, etc. The FIRST time I saw a dollar coin-up was twenty years ago. Many tournaments in the '90s were still on 50 cent coin-ops, and believe it or not, there are still lots of those around...

I personally believe that the $1 tables drove players back to playing on time on bigger tables, which is both a good and bad thing.

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
labatt ice rod said:
The APA will NEVER get Diamond tables untill they make peace with Mark Griffen and we all know that will NEVER happen. Mark was a major supporter of the APA then when they screwed him he went to BCA and took his Diamond tables with him. the tables there where a joke it was like playing on a ship....
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Actually it was the APA that decided to discontinue doing business with Diamond for their nationals
 
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