Are Diamond Tables Really Smart?

Kickin' Chicken

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I really like playing on Diamond tables though I don't get to do so very often as there aren't many near me.

In watching a number of streams, however, I have noticed problems with balls returning properly on Diamonds.

An example was while watching the barbox championships in Reno a couple of months ago I saw there was a continual issue on the stream table with it incorrectly processing, I believe, the one ball, thinking it was the cue ball. It was to the point where the rackers would automatically go to the other end of the table to retrieve the mis-routed object ball. Not knowing how these tables process this, can someone tell me, what do they use in these "Smart" tables, it's obviously some sort of sensor, right?

Fast forward to last weekend, I was viewing the TAR coverage of the Vegas 1p tourney. There were a number of instances on the stream table where the players had to hunt down a missing ball. Now this was a 9 foot table so, I'm guessing this was a different situation, probably just a mechanical hangup in the return system. These 9 footers don't come with the "smart" feature, do they? Anyway, this was a different scenario than the mistaken 1-ball for a cue ball that occured on the barbox.

So, anyone with knowledge of Diamonds, I'm curious if it is, in fact, a sensor on the barboxes that distinguishes the cue ball and how prone to errors are they? Also, what powers them, is there a battery to change?

Finally, what about the 9 footers? No sensors in these, right? Again, I'm guessing that what I saw happening on the 1p stream was simply a mechanical hangup in the subway return.

I am curious to know if these are common problems with both the barboxes and 9 foot Diamonds, or if what I saw were rare exceptions.

TIA

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Kickin' Chicken said:
I am curious to know if these are common problems with both the barboxes and 9 foot Diamonds, or if what I saw were rare exceptions.

TIA

Best,
Brian kc
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It was probably just a couple of cases of the tables were recently used at an APA event and a couple of careless "handicapped" players inadvertently dropped their pocket markers into the pockets ;) :sorry:!!! :D

Disclaimer: Above post made tongue-in-cheek. All in good fun. Not meant in any way, form, or fashion to cause an APA sh*tstorm!!!

Maniac
 
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Maniac said:
[...] APA sh*tstorm!!!

Maniac
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Some may accuse you of redundancy in that statement. Or at least making it look like someone went to the local zoo and "triggered something" with the chimpanzees by flinging feces into the cage...

:duck:

J/K,
-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Some may accuse you of redundancy in that statement. Or at least making it look like someone went to the local zoo and "triggered something" with the chimpanzees by flinging feces into the cage...

:duck:

J/K,
-Sean
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True story here, Sean. What a baboon threw at the crowd of onlookers when I was at the zoo a couple years back with my grandchildren was W-A-A-A-Y more gross than feces, believe it or not. PM me if you want the details (which you really DO NOT).

Hope you are doing well, my friend!!!

Maniac
 
The smart table comes in 7 or 9ft.



The Po-Am 9ft situation is a cube of chalk or two has fallen down into the ball return system.



The smart table situation is it is just out of adjustment.


"C.D."
 
the smart table uses a laser powered by batteries. the laser needs to be a certain distance from the balls and needs to be adjusted to read only the cue ball. the laser reads density, the cue ball has less density then the colored balls. The one ball is the closest to the cue ball in density readings. this 7-foot table needed to be adjusted and if that doesn't work, new batteries and then adjusted again.

the 9-footer probably had chalk in the ball return. the ball return is designed for the balls to hit the chalk pieces to the center of the table where the chalk will fall to the floor. If the ball return is dirty, it has the tendency not to slide when hit by a slow rolling ball. the TD should have taken out the ball rack, and used something like a cue to stick into the table to free up the chalk that was causing the problems.
 
Are you smarter than a 5-year old.....bar-box?

I'm happy with 7-foot Smart tables....allows good cue balls.
Didn't play much bar pool 'cause I hate unreliable cue balls.

So far ours haven't returned any 1-balls...but it won't return Measles either.
We tried magic marker on a 'red circle' and it wouldn't return that either.

So I tried an autographed cue...but I messed up...I spelled Mosconi's name
wrong...it read 'Wiley'?.....
..when I bent down to retrieve it..a boxing glove came out of the ball return
and knocked me over three tables:yikes:

so if you buy a Smart table...don't get smart with them.

that Sullivan can't take a joke..:angry:
 
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Kickin' Chicken said:
I really like playing on Diamond tables though I don't get to do so very often as there aren't many near me.

In watching a number of streams, however, I have noticed problems with balls returning properly on Diamonds.

An example was while watching the barbox championships in Reno a couple of months ago I saw there was a continual issue on the stream table with it incorrectly processing, I believe, the one ball, thinking it was the cue ball. It was to the point where the rackers would automatically go to the other end of the table to retrieve the mis-routed object ball. Not knowing how these tables process this, can someone tell me, what do they use in these "Smart" tables, it's obviously some sort of sensor, right?

Fast forward to last weekend, I was viewing the TAR coverage of the Vegas 1p tourney. There were a number of instances on the stream table where the players had to hunt down a missing ball. Now this was a 9 foot table so, I'm guessing this was a different situation, probably just a mechanical hangup in the return system. These 9 footers don't come with the "smart" feature, do they? Anyway, this was a different scenario than the mistaken 1-ball for a cue ball that occured on the barbox.

So, anyone with knowledge of Diamonds, I'm curious if it is, in fact, a sensor on the barboxes that distinguishes the cue ball and how prone to errors are they? Also, what powers them, is there a battery to change?

Finally, what about the 9 footers? No sensors in these, right? Again, I'm guessing that what I saw happening on the 1p stream was simply a mechanical hangup in the subway return.

I am curious to know if these are common problems with both the barboxes and 9 foot Diamonds, or if what I saw were rare exceptions.

TIA

Best,
Brian kc
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. Diamond tables are themselves not all that intelligent but they are also not stupid. Set a Diamond table outside and it won't even come in out of the rain. People that play on Diamonds are very smart. I would have bought a Diamond but not too many used for sale. $3500 for a used bar box or $5000 for a new one is too pricey for me. I love my drop pockets on my GC and don't have to bend over ever. Someday I'm going to have that RealQueenRattlesnake guy customize my GC. The nine ft. diamond is the ultimate table IMO!!!
 
Hey Brian
If you come this way, MA. (say, to look at that Brunswick Anniversary) give me a shout. I had a "Blue" Pro AM installed and you are welcome to play on it.


Jim
 
I'm even more intrigued

So far I've tried tricking the Diamond ball return with......
an Aramith logo ball
a plain cue ball
a measle ball
a plain ball with a magic marker circle
a Valley Aramith cue ball
...the Diamond bar box aint goin' for it

Sooo...today I brought a blue circle.....no dice
Then I took the proper red circle and disguised it with black magic marker.
The Diamond returned it...:confused:..so it's not the color

so the Diamond is smarter than I thought.....
...can it do your kid's homework?
 
pt109 said:
Then I took the proper red circle and disguised it with black magic marker.
The Diamond returned it...:confused:..so it's not the color
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My understanding it is optical density... and not simply the color of the ball.

The laser measures the optical density for a certain depth of the ball... I don't know the depth... just the concept.
 
I should add that it is my understanding that the numbered balls in an Aramith set are colored to their cores... and the optical density lasers on the Diamond Smart tables are looking for the cue ball, which is white-colored to its core.
 
It should be further noted that Diamond tables rely on psychic energy to stimulate the rails. Sleepy players and drunks just don't get the rolls, and stoners are s.o.l.
 
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The problem with the tables is that they get toted from city to city and state to state in the back of a Semi. They get beat around in the back of a truck and get things knocked around a bit. I own about 30 smart tables and dont have that problem, yet whenever we do large tournaments and have tables brought in we experience the same problem that you are referring to. Im not sure how to fix it, but that is the problem.
 
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