Are you a groveling wimp?

An article in the front page of today's paper is titled: "IT'S TIME TO CUT TO THE CHASE, MEN: WIVES ARE THE KEY TO WHAT WE BUY".

The article starts out... No matter how you slice it, Greg Grizzle was going to get his vintage motorcycle. He'd longed for a BMW bike since 1976 but his wife, Jennifer, believed the family had more pressing priorities, like their children and finances -- not to mention concerns about safety.

They struck a deal: Greg would get a VASECTOMY and the motorcycle would be his. Snip, snip. Vroom, vroom. "By then, I couldn't protest," said Jennifer Grizzle. He deserved it. He went under the knife for me".

His sacrifice echoes a newly classified criterion that married men must often pass for their most desired purchases: the WAF - Wife Acceptance Factor.
Motorcycles, cars, big screen TV's, POOL TABLES - all are subject to this qualifier.

Until recently, though, the WAF has been a taboo issue for many men to discuss, lest one be branded, well, a BIG WIMP. You never want to tell another guy your wife won't let you buy something.

"PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE HONEY, CAN I HAVE IT?" (regarding a pool table)
Thumbs DOWN. "Where are you going to put that? Fine when you finally finish the basement, we'll talk. UNTIL THEN, NO!!"

For many men, the key to the WAF is in the bargaining. Do you really want that pool table (or whatever) next summer? Barter - and schmooze - for it now.

"I look for every opportunity to give my wife what she really wants in anticipation of future round draft choices," said Peter Stark, author of 'The Only Negotiating Guide You'll Ever Need."

"My wife wants a new couch, my standard response is, 'Honey, if that makes you happy, I want you to have that couch.' If you spend a good portion of your time trying to make the other person happy, it is a lot easier to pass the WAF test."

Stark also recommends addressing the relationship first - lots of "I love yous" never hurt - before proposing a significant purchase.

"Meeting the needs of your counterpart," he said, "is absolutely critical."

Jennifer and Stephen Shepard have performed this give-and take dance for years.

"We have it down to an art," she said. "He's pretty frugal until something comes out that he wants. Then he decides to get me jewelery."

Earlier this year, Stephen purchased a 65-inch TV and Jennifer, not so coincidentally was gifted with a SAPPHIRE RING she'd been eyeing.

The big secret: She actually digs Stephens electronics. "I like to play with the toys, too," she said. "I just make it seem like I don't wo I get the jewelry."

Wisconsin based Brunswick Billiards - which offers its products at Atlantic Billiards in Alpharetta - re-engineered its system of selling pool tables to accommodate the WAF.

Showrooms were moved from shady areas to upscale strip malls. The inventory evolved to 50 percent billiard equipment and 50 percent home decorating items, from glassware and barstools to lighting and artwork (no dogs playing pool on black velvet). The pool tables were refined, with designs now based on stainless steel and maple along with Craftsman-style looks to complement home decor.

And it worked. "Over the last five years, we started using the phrase 'male-initiated, female-approved,' said Mark McCleary, vice president of marketing for Brunswick Billiards.

"Almost every guy needs to get their wife or significant other to bless it. The way pool tables look is almost totally different. It's a huge difference. (END)


I have a significant other for over 20 years but we've never gotten married out of fear that it would destroy the dynamics of the relationship. Maybe the institution of marriage is what does it, I don't know. But we've owned two homes, now working on another one, and all of those homes were purchased or built based on the fact that a pool table fitting in was a prerequisite to the home chosen. There is no compromise on this!!

My approach has always been, "I'm getting a phuckin' pool table in the house, and there will ALWAYS be a pool table and we ain't haggling about it.
End of conversation!" When it comes to pool cues, cases, or anything else...it's my business also. I don't give a shit what she buys either.

But, getting a VASECTOMY as a trade-off to purchase something...buying rings, furs, cars and paying DOUBLE THE MONEY TO GET WHAT YOU WANT
in a trade.....ARE YOU SHITTING ME???!!!!

Do you guys really have to go through this?? What the hell has the world come to??
 
Ummm.... no. No way would I get the snip for that. She must carry that guy's balls in her purse.
 
drivermaker said:
An article in the front page of today's paper is titled: "IT'S TIME TO CUT TO THE CHASE, MEN: WIVES ARE THE KEY TO WHAT WE BUY".

The article starts out... No matter how you slice it, Greg Grizzle was going to get his vintage motorcycle. He'd longed for a BMW bike since 1976 but his wife, Jennifer, believed the family had more pressing priorities, like their children and finances -- not to mention concerns about safety.

They struck a deal: Greg would get a VASECTOMY and the motorcycle would be his. Snip, snip. Vroom, vroom. "By then, I couldn't protest," said Jennifer Grizzle. He deserved it. He went under the knife for me".

His sacrifice echoes a newly classified criterion that married men must often pass for their most desired purchases: the WAF - Wife Acceptance Factor.
Motorcycles, cars, big screen TV's, POOL TABLES - all are subject to this qualifier.

Until recently, though, the WAF has been a taboo issue for many men to discuss, lest one be branded, well, a BIG WIMP. You never want to tell another guy your wife won't let you buy something.

"PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE HONEY, CAN I HAVE IT?" (regarding a pool table)
Thumbs DOWN. "Where are you going to put that? Fine when you finally finish the basement, we'll talk. UNTIL THEN, NO!!"

For many men, the key to the WAF is in the bargaining. Do you really want that pool table (or whatever) next summer? Barter - and schmooze - for it now.

"I look for every opportunity to give my wife what she really wants in anticipation of future round draft choices," said Peter Stark, author of 'The Only Negotiating Guide You'll Ever Need."

"My wife wants a new couch, my standard response is, 'Honey, if that makes you happy, I want you to have that couch.' If you spend a good portion of your time trying to make the other person happy, it is a lot easier to pass the WAF test."

Stark also recommends addressing the relationship first - lots of "I love yous" never hurt - before proposing a significant purchase.

"Meeting the needs of your counterpart," he said, "is absolutely critical."

Jennifer and Stephen Shepard have performed this give-and take dance for years.

"We have it down to an art," she said. "He's pretty frugal until something comes out that he wants. Then he decides to get me jewelery."

Earlier this year, Stephen purchased a 65-inch TV and Jennifer, not so coincidentally was gifted with a SAPPHIRE RING she'd been eyeing.

The big secret: She actually digs Stephens electronics. "I like to play with the toys, too," she said. "I just make it seem like I don't wo I get the jewelry."

Wisconsin based Brunswick Billiards - which offers its products at Atlantic Billiards in Alpharetta - re-engineered its system of selling pool tables to accommodate the WAF.

Showrooms were moved from shady areas to upscale strip malls. The inventory evolved to 50 percent billiard equipment and 50 percent home decorating items, from glassware and barstools to lighting and artwork (no dogs playing pool on black velvet). The pool tables were refined, with designs now based on stainless steel and maple along with Craftsman-style looks to complement home decor.

And it worked. "Over the last five years, we started using the phrase 'male-initiated, female-approved,' said Mark McCleary, vice president of marketing for Brunswick Billiards.

"Almost every guy needs to get their wife or significant other to bless it. The way pool tables look is almost totally different. It's a huge difference. (END)


I have a significant other for over 20 years but we've never gotten married out of fear that it would destroy the dynamics of the relationship. Maybe the institution of marriage is what does it, I don't know. But we've owned two homes, now working on another one, and all of those homes were purchased or built based on the fact that a pool table fitting in was a prerequisite to the home chosen. There is no compromise on this!!

My approach has always been, "I'm getting a phuckin' pool table in the house, and there will ALWAYS be a pool table and we ain't haggling about it.
End of conversation!" When it comes to pool cues, cases, or anything else...it's my business also. I don't give a shit what she buys either.

But, getting a VASECTOMY as a trade-off to purchase something...buying rings, furs, cars and paying DOUBLE THE MONEY TO GET WHAT YOU WANT
in a trade.....ARE YOU SHITTING ME???!!!!

Do you guys really have to go through this?? What the hell has the world come to??

No argument coming from here. Your spot-on post covered the issue.
I've overheard work buddies calling home to ask permission to play pool after work! This creepy type of husband/mommy relationship is not rare in my experience. I've been married for many years. I treat my wife as an autonomous adult, and 'though I do have to fight for it a bit at times - am treated in kind.
I do think whoever said "Men are such pigs" surely meant "Men are such pussies".
 
Well, there goes the Corvette. He made a strategic mistake. He should have only offered up one at a time. Now all he has left is non-negotiable.
 
You know, I'd let my husband respond to this but he's not allowed to use my laptop until I get a/my ________________. (fill in the blank)

Barbara
 
right on DM. I'm 34 and single. I tend to date independent women who like myself have little interest in marriage. I love my life. I do what I want, when I want to do it within the constraints of the time alowed by my work and business. I 've seen way to many of my buddies ( not just pool players) fall into this crap of "honey, can I have a new car" or "honey, Ron is on the phone and wants to go to the track. Do you have anything planned and if not can I have $20? ". I'm not a control freak nor do I dislike women. I love women but I also love my life. Much like DM I enjoy relationships that allow for both people to live and still be a part of the others life.

As a matter of fact while I'm currently without a significant other my day today consists of the following: get up late and mess around online, eat when I'm hungry, go looking at cars (no salesmen on Sundays) then over to the poolhall to watch the final 16 of this weekends Tiger Planet Pool. I might even drink a couple of beers. Tonight= Chinese buffett with some friends and then who knows.. Not a bad life, huh? ;) :D
 
drivermaker said:
Wisconsin based Brunswick Billiards - which offers its products at Atlantic Billiards in Alpharetta - re-engineered its system of selling pool tables to accommodate the WAF.

Showrooms were moved from shady areas to upscale strip malls. The inventory evolved to 50 percent billiard equipment and 50 percent home decorating items, from glassware and barstools to lighting and artwork (no dogs playing pool on black velvet). The pool tables were refined, with designs now based on stainless steel and maple along with Craftsman-style looks to complement home decor.

And it worked. "Over the last five years, we started using the phrase 'male-initiated, female-approved,' said Mark McCleary, vice president of marketing for Brunswick Billiards.

Went to the city last weekend to a mall I hadn't been to in a few years and lol and behold, there sat an A.E. schmidt store......with a Pier One on one side and Best Buy on the other. Walked in and couldn't believe all the "other" stuff they had. Chairs, benches, lights, etc.

I remember the A.E. Schmidt store when it was in "downtown" St. Louis. Dark old streets with old brick buildings all around it. They went upscale.....
 
Barbara said:
You know, I'd let my husband respond to this but he's not allowed to use my laptop until I get a/my ________________. (fill in the blank)

Barbara


LMAO...I always knew deep down you were controlling like Mawissa. :p :D :D (what does he have to do to watch porn?) :D
 
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TATE said:
Well, there goes the Corvette. He made a strategic mistake. He should have only offered up one at a time. Now all he has left is non-negotiable.


Funniest post I have seen in a long time!

Hu
 
im on the opposite side. took my girl to my local pool barr. learned her to play pool. usually i used to play 2 hours alone and one hour with her. now i cant go to the pool barr alone to train without she coming with me :rolleyes:
 
Why are none of the guys that have to beg, promise, and buy coming on with their tales of woe??

New Guy...Jude....others....where for art thou? :D
 
drivermaker said:
Are you a groveling wimp??

D'maker,
The answer is probably YES, but you didn't have to bring it to everyone's attention in a public forum. When I was married 27 years ago, my wife and I agreed that the first item of disposable income furniture would be a pool table (I have ALWAYS wanted to learn to play pool). TWENTY-THREE YEARS LATER I got my table.

In all fairness to the wife, there were kids, apartments, and various and sundry other very good reasons not to get one; but at least I have one now and I'm making up for lost time.

I think most marriages break down to a series of "debits and credits". At this point I and one of my business partners are working on gaining enough credits for a trip to Scotland (without the wives) to enjoy all those fine Scottish pasttimes: golf on the rota courses, castle viewing, snooker playing, Scotch drinking, driving on the wrong side of the road, etc. I have successfully gotten enough credits, my partner is still working on it. Oh well, back to the woodshed.
 
I think using a vasectomy as a bargaining chip is rediculous! My wife and I have been married for 30 years and we always consult with each other prior to making a major purchase. Usually if one of us feels compelled about puirchasing something, even a major purchase, the other will agree, at least it's always been that way so far.

"My approach has always been, "I'm getting a phuckin' pool table in the house, and there will ALWAYS be a pool table and we ain't haggling about it.
End of conversation!" When it comes to pool cues, cases, or anything else...it's my business also. I don't give a shit what she buys either."
This kind of attitude is just totally foriegn in our household. Neither one of us would have an ultimatum for any type of physical possession. I have been playing with the idea of getting a motorcycle. I'm not really sure if I really want one or not (I used to have one when I was young) . I've seen a couple of new bikes that have turned my eye and I think it's more of a passing fancy. Anyway, my wife is scared of motorcycles and has said she will not get on one. Now it's kind of a joke between us. I'll see a nice bike tooling by and I'll ask her, "Hon, can you just see us on that bike? It would be so cool cruisin down the road with my leathers on and my ole lady on the back!" At this point she usually says, "I know you aint talkin about me as that ole lady!" If I really wanted the bike, I would get it. On the other hand, I know that she probably would never ride on it too.
 
drivermaker said:
LMAO...I always knew deep down you were controlling like Mawissa. :p :D :D (what does he have to do to watch porn?) :D

LOL!!! Nothing! Okay, well maybe something, but that ain't any of your business!! :rolleyes:

I got my pool room!! I threw his woodshop out to the garage!

But seriously, he's a Big Boy, he makes his own money, he can have just about anything he wants.

Barbara
 
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Here's the rest of the story. The guy gets a vasectomy and two months later his idiot wife leaves him for her tennis coach. He has to sell the bike to pay for his divorce, and now he can't have kids with a real woman.

This is just a tabloid type of story of female bimbo meets meathead. Dumb and Dumber for real.

Truth be told, the wives worth having are the wives worth respecting. If respect means fear, then I would say "fearing". It's not a question of manhood. I've seen the largest, toughest brutes tremble in fear at the ire of their wives.

A real man respects his wife because he has a real woman for his wife. I used to work with older couples a lot. Most of these guys absolutely would not make a move without first consulting their wives. It was apparent that the strongest relationships were built on mutual respect.

I like a strong woman with a stong mind. I want one who is intellectually stimulating, interesting, and is my equal. My wife is more than my equal. She's the wisest , smartest, and most responsible person I've ever met.

I would be a fool not to consult my wife on issues involving our lives. I get my way enough. She was the one who insisted we get a pool table back when we could not easily afford it.

Chris
 
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If a women asks me even when I am taking the trash can out to the dumpster- honey where are u going? Why are u going out ?and when are u coming home? That women is NOT for me.Adios
 
Actually it is just the opposite in our home.

My wife always asks me if I have enough money for her to buy things. (She thinks the money is all mine). Yep she always asked me if there was enough money for the new house, for the new Caddy, for the new furniture, for her very own computer, for her new diamonds, for her trip to Montreal.

And of course I get to sign the checks.

Yep, I am in complete control here.

Boy is she dumb, she thinks the money is all mine.

I'm not missing something here am I?

But she cooks, cleans, puts up with me, and is a great buddy. I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
TATE said:
I would be a fool not to consult my wife on issues involving our lives. I get my way enough. She was the one who insisted we get a pool table back when we could not easily afford it.

Chris

Chris,

Sounds like you got one sort of like mine. My wife does the same thing, i.e., she usually knows what I want and usually is the first to suggest we get it even if the funds are limited. She's usually way ahead of me on most things but lets me think I'm doing the driving! LOL!!
 
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