Are you in favor of mixed tournaments/matches?

Should the gender barrier be dissolved?

  • Yes

    Votes: 73 70.2%
  • No

    Votes: 31 29.8%

  • Total voters
    104
A sense of equality

Hi everyone :)

I've always found the subject of comparing/contrasting women vs. men in our sport interesting and since I am nothing if not opinionated to a fault, here's my .25 worth (adjusted for inflation of course).

So, eons ago, I remember watching Johnny, Mike S., King James, Kim, Efren, Fransisco, Buddy, Miz, even Greg Fixx (ahhh.. blast from the past) play when the MPBA was still in existence. Unfortunately for the men, they always made less than stellar choices for their leadership, i.e. the succession of Commissioners during the MPBA's time. That's just one part of the equation though. Women seem to group together and organize more easily then men. That's not to say we're better at it, just that we fall into step more easily, thus getting things accomplished more expeditiously. (quick, someone hand me my .50 please!).

I've also always felt there is no reason why a woman can't play as well as a man, but I think inherently, men take more risks than most women, and women tend towards caution more than most men do. (yes, notice I qualify everything so as to avoid the "generalization moniker"). This translates into many of our players utilizing safeties more regularly then perhaps our male counterparts do, which is why in a winner break situation you won't see as many women putting on 6 packs like you would with many men.

However, that isn't to say that women cannot compete on the same level, as my old coach Steve Itule (rest is Ross Perot-like soul), there's more than one way to skin a cat. As another poster pointed out, size isn't a consideration- we have female players as tall as 6'4" and as small of size as 4'11" (although I think Nikki Bennish was 4'10" and may have held the all time record for shortest player on the WPBA). Yet all can break as well as the next person - it's about technique not size. Same with a player's stroke, position play etc, it's about knowledge and technique, so (and men should rejoice as I say this) in pool size really doesn't matter.

Now, mental toughness, there is a disparity in many respects. Most men have hunter instincts - they are single minded and ferocious in their focus. Most women are the organizers - we are multi-taskers to the nth degree (if you doubt me, come watch me work at a WPBA event some time!). This gives men the advantage in many respects since they are less likely to be distracted even by their inner child (are you a toys-r-us kid?). I know personally, my inner voices won't shut up, even when I'm asleep - When I was playing, for me to reach that quiet place where I could be completely still was a hard road for me and most likely a hard road for many of my sisters. The Fisher Queens, Vivian, Jeanette, Ga Young, Xiaoting, Jasmin, Gerda, Monica, etc etc, they've all experienced it, but they've also managed to learn to quell the chatter better then the rest of us who are stuck in mediocrity as mental players.

Does this mean that we'll never reach the same level as men? Of course not, but the numbers do stack up in such a way that more men have the ability to reach the zone than women do.

As for men & women competing with each other? I say go for it! I completely agree with the poster who said that women have theirs, men have theirs, then have a coed/open tour or series of events, that way everyone gets what they want :) Sounds so simple, doesn't it? LOL my idealistic mind at work.

During the Borderline Billiards Satellite event, a web chatter asked me about Scotch Doubles tournaments for the Pro's. What a fantastic idea! Could you imagine the pairings? Jeanette with Johnny Archer? Allison Fisher paired with SVB? Me paired with Tommy "he plays!" Kennedy... oh wait, I don't play anymore! The possibilities are endless.

The graceful soul and fierce heart of a determined competitor should never be stunted - let all comers have their chance for greatness.

Thanks for letting me ramble!
Anne
 
I would think Allison or Karen Corr would have good imput on this subject. Snooker seems like its always been mens tour/womens tour, there's probably a reason tho maybe times have changed enough change is inevitible.
 
I kind of think having women compete against the men creates an interest that few sports can really take advantage of. I know there are alot of great female athletes, but when it comes to the professional level can you put the women in with men on a football field? basketball court? boxing ring? Some sports like tennis, running, swimming...etc....YES. Most major sports that men watch...NO. My point is, why not take advantage of a sport where women have as good a chance as any man and use that to raise interest in the sport? Look at how much interest/hype was created when Yu Ram played Shane...and won! Tell me a few more big upsets like that with a top female coming out on top of a top male wouldn't add a new level of excitement to the sport? Top men matching up will always be the big draw in pool, but top women against men would just add another depth of excitement that few sports can say they have IMO :cool:

I KNOW I am going to get flamed for this but pool is a game not a sport.having said that there should be no difference between the sexes.:rolleyes::confused:
 
I KNOW I am going to get flamed for this but pool is a game not a sport.having said that there should be no difference between the sexes.:rolleyes::confused:

Is Chess a sport or a game? Is the exercise in mental ability any less worthy of being called a sport than the brute strength required for football or the finess and strength required for baseball? Is the mark of a "sport" the exclusivity of muscles? (his brains are in his biceps, to quote from the movie Grease)

I would apply the same question to pool except there are the obvious physical aspects to the SPORT of Billiards - There is mechanical technique involved, that takes countless of hundreds of hours to practice and for some, even more hours to master (gee, just like in football, practice practice practice). There is the mental aspect of the SPORT of Billiards - to recognize the map of the table in 14:1, 8 or 9 ball, to play hide n seek in one pocket, to apply finesse and pure precision in snooker and the creativity in 3 cushion billiards (gee, just like in football - where the defensive line has to adjust to the offenses' formation: not to mention the mental focus a tight end, running back, quarterback or receiver need to concentrate on the ball and only the ball despite knowing there are 3 or 4 guys on his tail ready to pummel him to the ground) - all of these mark each discipline within the SPORT of Billiards as more than a mere "game".

I won't flame ya, but I'll debate you word for word :) Oh, and just because I work for the WPBA doesn't mean my points aren't valid!

Anne - WPBA
 
Should the gender barrier be dissolved? (This concept was mention on ESPN this weekend.) I vote no.

I love women pool players, but I am not a fan of mixed matches or tournaments.

First, I don't see why men and women could not compete on a level field in this game. Women, over time, could dominate the number of players, and by shear probability, the number of pros. If that ever happened, it will have become a "woman's game."

Women don't care about sexual stereotypes associated with the game. Men care more. (Don't flame me, you know it's true.) If teenage boys start to perceive this as a "girl's game," men as a group will come less and less to it, and THAT will be the BIG nail in the coffin, financially.

Keeping the genders separate keeps it from becoming a "man's game" or a "woman's game." MHO.

I love the game and want to see it grow. I want more pool rooms, more equipment, better quality. That only happens if there is a thriving market. It is all about money. Why don't we have more male matches on TV? I'm sure money has something to do with that, too.



I don't agree at all that teenage boys would abandon the game if the majority of players were women. At one time the majority of cooks were women. I don't see men running from it. If it's competitive and there's money involved, men will be there.

I am in favor of a genderless tour. The problem is (same with the PGA), the tours are already genderless. The PGA (for example) is not a men's tour. It's the women who make it a gender issue. I believe a few of the better women players can beat some of the better male players, but can they make money on a genderless tour? I don't think so. They'd have to take up hustling or get a part-time job or use their gender doing tv ads and so forth. The whole argument makes me sick because every time it's brought up it's twisted to appear that men have put up the barriers when in truth it's the women who do it. They want to keep the women's league. That way, if they can't win on the genderless tour, they can always run back to the women's league and pick up some easy money.

Tommy Joe
 
I don't agree at all that teenage boys would abandon the game if the majority of players were women. At one time the majority of cooks were women. I don't see men running from it. If it's competitive and there's money involved, men will be there.

I am in favor of a genderless tour. The problem is (same with the PGA), the tours are already genderless. The PGA (for example) is not a men's tour. It's the women who make it a gender issue. I believe a few of the better women players can beat some of the better male players, but can they make money on a genderless tour? I don't think so. They'd have to take up hustling or get a part-time job or use their gender doing tv ads and so forth. The whole argument makes me sick because every time it's brought up it's twisted to appear that men have put up the barriers when in truth it's the women who do it. They want to keep the women's league. That way, if they can't win on the genderless tour, they can always run back to the women's league and pick up some easy money.

Tommy Joe

I don't think you can compare golf with pool in this situation, golf is way more physical when it comes to hitting a ball 300 yards. If it was just 'putting' then I think it would be fair. In you life time you won't see many women on a par 5 hole thats 550 yards get an eagle as compared to the men.
 
I don't think you can compare golf with pool in this situation, golf is way more physical when it comes to hitting a ball 300 yards. If it was just 'putting' then I think it would be fair. In you life time you won't see many women on a par 5 hole thats 550 yards get an eagle as compared to the men.

This argument bores me, but I'm addicted to arguing, so what am I going to do? Of course men are stronger than women. I was refering more to a par 3 type golf course, not one requiring strength. I don't care if women have their own leagues if they admit up front that they're not as good as men. But to go around complaining about not having been given a shot yet claiming to be as good as the men, that irritates me.

I think women are as good as men in many things, maybe all things. But when it comes to money, when it comes to making a living, when it comes to taking care of one's own ass, men have more practice and will always be better, end of story. I hate arguing. Especially when I know I'm right.

tommy joe
 
I kind of think having women compete against the men creates an interest that few sports can really take advantage of. I know there are alot of great female athletes, but when it comes to the professional level can you put the women in with men on a football field? basketball court? boxing ring? Some sports like tennis, running, swimming...etc....YES. Most major sports that men watch...NO.

LOL are you serious??

Tennis;
I'll take Federer, Roddick, Murray, Agassi (just to name a few) anyday, anytime, anywhere against any female player you can find. BET WHAT YOU WANT!!!!

Running; 2008 Olympic 400m Final
1 MERRITT LaShawn United States 43.75
2 WARINER Jeremy United States 44.74
3 NEVILLE David United States 44.80
4 BROWN Christopher Bahamas 44.84
5 DJHONE Leslie France 45.11
6 ROONEY Martyn Great Britain 45.12
7 QUOW Renny Trinidad/Tobago 45.22
8 WISSMAN Johan Sweden 45.39

1 OHURUOGU Christine Great Britain 49.62 Woman Gold Medalist

Swimming; 2008 Olympic 200m Freestyle Final
1 PHELPS Michael USA 1:42.96
2 PARK Taehwan KOR 1:44.85
3 VANDERKAAY Peter USA 1:45.14
4 BASSON Jean RSA 1:45.97
5 BIEDERMANN Paul GER 1:46.00
6 MEICHTRY Dominik SUI 1:46.95
7 OKUMURA Yoshihiro JPN 1:47.14
8 RENWICK Robbie GBR 1:47.47

1 PELLEGRINI Federica ITA 1:54.82 Woman Gold Medalist

I know I only showed the results of 1 event in each category, but if you look at every event the Woman GOLD Medalist doesn't even beat 8th place in any event swimming or running.

The thing that sepearates men from women is Testosterone Levels. An average male produces 60% more testosterone than a female. It affects the brain, bone and muscle mass, fat distribution, the vascular system, and energy levels.


I am in favor of a genderless tour. The problem is (same with the PGA), the tours are already genderless. The PGA (for example) is not a men's tour. It's the women who make it a gender issue. I believe a few of the better women players can beat some of the better male players, but can they make money on a genderless tour? I don't think so. They'd have to take up hustling or get a part-time job or use their gender doing tv ads and so forth. The whole argument makes me sick because every time it's brought up it's twisted to appear that men have put up the barriers when in truth it's the women who do it. They want to keep the women's league. That way, if they can't win on the genderless tour, they can always run back to the women's league and pick up some easy money.

Tommy Joe

Pool is no different. If there were nothing, but Open events out there and no WPBA tour for just women... There would be a very small field of women getting paid and the ones who would be getting paid wouldn't be getting very much from tournament winnings alone. They need the WPBA, just like in every other sport. The guys play the guys and the girls play the girls. What they should do is BAN females from entering in any tournament that has male players. If they want to play with the guys go match up in a local room for a couple thousand, see how you fair.
 
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Mixed Matches

I don't know why people cling to the "men's game" stereotype. This is a sport (or game if you prefer) that does not favor one body style over another. Women don't hit from the shorter tee in pool and billiards - .

I believe if a person can play - they should be able to play in sanctioned events with anyone at anytime without regard to gender, race, religion, or hell - i can't even say the last one, but ... This is the good old USA - land of the free... you want to limit someone's right to play in a sanctioned event because they are different?

Are the strong men pro's actually that afraid of the sigma of being beat by a (insert predjuice of choice here)?

Besides - I think it adds class, excitement, and interest in the sport when a top female player matches up against a top male player in a bigtime event - no matter the outcome.
 
I don't think you can compare golf with pool in this situation, golf is way more physical when it comes to hitting a ball 300 yards. If it was just 'putting' then I think it would be fair. In you life time you won't see many women on a par 5 hole thats 550 yards get an eagle as compared to the men.


I am not comparing women's place in golf to their place in pool. I used golf as an example because many people mistakenly believe the PGA is a men's tour. It's not. It's open to women. They have their own league because of physical differences, so I have no argument with you on that, although I think a par 3 genderless tour would be nice, with no hole beyond the number of yards that bring strength into play. A putter, nine iron, and seven iron would be all anyone would need. Annika Sorrestram drives further than some men on the pro tour, yet she can't beat them regularly because men's advantage in golf is not relegated to strength alone. Men also putt and chip better than women and also play on courses that are typically tougher.

I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not challenging the skill of the top women players - Fisher, Corr, Kim, a few others - but some of them we see often on tv - Jeanette Lee, the Texas Tornado, and others - there are unknown male players all over the country who would love to play against those women for money. Walk into any poolroom and you'll find one guy who can compete with those women. But those guys aren't good enough to make it as pros because they have to go through top male players to make it. Women are fortunate they have their own tour, that's all I'm saying. I'd like to see them in a genderless tour where they have to sign a release stating that they can't play for 3 years or maybe ever again in an all-women tournament.

Tommy Joe
 
LOL are you serious??

Tennis;
I'll take Federer, Roddick, Murray, Agassi (just to name a few) anyday, anytime, anywhere against any female player you can find. BET WHAT YOU WANT!!!!

Running; 2008 Olympic 400m Final
1 MERRITT LaShawn United States 43.75
2 WARINER Jeremy United States 44.74
3 NEVILLE David United States 44.80
4 BROWN Christopher Bahamas 44.84
5 DJHONE Leslie France 45.11
6 ROONEY Martyn Great Britain 45.12
7 QUOW Renny Trinidad/Tobago 45.22
8 WISSMAN Johan Sweden 45.39

1 OHURUOGU Christine Great Britain 49.62 Woman Gold Medalist

Swimming; 2008 Olympic 200m Freestyle Final
1 PHELPS Michael USA 1:42.96
2 PARK Taehwan KOR 1:44.85
3 VANDERKAAY Peter USA 1:45.14
4 BASSON Jean RSA 1:45.97
5 BIEDERMANN Paul GER 1:46.00
6 MEICHTRY Dominik SUI 1:46.95
7 OKUMURA Yoshihiro JPN 1:47.14
8 RENWICK Robbie GBR 1:47.47

1 PELLEGRINI Federica ITA 1:54.82 Woman Gold Medalist

I know I only showed the results of 1 event in each category, but if you look at every event the Woman GOLD Medalist doesn't even beat 8th place in any event swimming or running.

The thing that sepearates men from women is Testosterone Levels. An average male produces 60% more testosterone than a female. It affects the brain, bone and muscle mass, fat distribution, the vascular system, and energy levels.




Pool is no different. If there were nothing, but Open events out there and no WPBA tour for just women... There would be a very small field of women getting paid and the ones who would be getting paid wouldn't be getting very much from tournament winnings alone. They need the WPBA, just like in every other sport. The guys play the guys and the girls play the girls. What they should do is BAN females from entering in any tournament that has male players. If they want to play with the guys go match up in a local room for a couple thousand, see how you fair.


I believe we agree across the board except I'd like to see a genderless pool tour with women who want to play signing wavers that bar them from playing on the women's tour. The only ones you'd see do this are the ones who have made enough money on the women's tour and are famous enough to make money beyond winning tournaments. Testosterone is often mentioned in these debates. But let's look at a few games requiring absolutely no physical strength - chess, poker, scrabble, tiddlywinks, who cares? - you're probably going to find the best players are typically men because throughout history it's been man's job to go out and bring home the bread. I don't care who's better than who, that's not my argument. I'm just sick of hearing women complain that they're just as good as the men but don't make as much money. Truth is, there's tons of male B players who can compete with and beat many of the top female players, yet they can't make a living from it because to get to the top they have to go through other men. I'd just like to see one woman player just once come out and admit that they're lucky to be playing on the woman's tour.

Tommy Joe
 
I believe we agree across the board except I'd like to see a genderless pool tour with women who want to play signing wavers that bar them from playing on the women's tour.

Why in the hell would any woman do a stupid a$$ thing like that.

Testosterone is often mentioned in these debates. But let's look at a few games requiring absolutely no physical strength - chess, poker, scrabble, tiddlywinks, who cares? - you're probably going to find the best players are typically men because throughout history it's been man's job to go out and bring home the bread.

Actually the caveman went out and chased the down the meat while cavewoman stayed home and gathered the wheat to make the bread....she also had to guard the home from predators.

I'm just sick of hearing women complain that they're just as good as the men but don't make as much money. Truth is, there's tons of male B players who can compete with and beat many of the top female players,

Yep, and the reverse is also true (Hoffstatter over Strickland, Corr over Archer, many more examples). There are more B-mens players than all womens players combined.The men do make more money than the women playing pool even though the women have the most successful tour.

yet they can't make a living from it because to get to the top they have to go through other men.

Yes that is the way it is but didn't you indicate that going through the women would be no problem since they don't really rate as serious competition?

I'd just like to see one woman player just once come out and admit that they're lucky to be playing on the woman's tour.

Oh I've heard plenty of women say this during the online streaming of WPBA events. Heard a lot more saying how lucky they would be to qualify for a WPBA event.

Are you a B mens player? Why do you feel the women need to matchup with shortstops for money in old smoky pool halls in order to prove themselves? Prove themselves to who and for what? They prefer things the way they are now. They have their tours and can compete with the best mens pros in many open events. Yes they would like more fully open events to compete against the men but money is tight everywhere.
 
Found this and it Makes sense to me!

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Imagine you’re in another world…You are a pool player with red hair. You walk into the biggest hall in town where they are holding a national tournament. You think, “great, I’ll sign up.” When you go to pay your entry fee, they say you have to choose between The Red-Head Open (only red-heads allowed) and The Open (open to players of any hair color). “The Red-Head Open” is a race to 5, with only 100 participants, and has a $75.00 entrance fee. “The Open” is a race to 7, has 200 participants and a $150.00 entry fee. Curiously, first prize for both divisions paid about the same. You ask, “Why don’t the red-heads allow the blonds and brunettes play with them?” The tournament director looks at you like you are from another planet and says, “everybody knows that the red-heads don’t have a chance against the blondes.” You don’t understand because you don’t see how the color of someone’s hair could make a difference in their pool game. You just want to beat all the competition, so you decide to enter The Open Division.
You’re practicing and someone walks by and says, “Hey you should take lessons from Chris, who taught the #1 red head player in town.” That seems like a strange comment because you don’t know what that has to do with anything. You think a good instructor or coach should be measured by their ability to take any player and help them be the best they can be no matter if they are short, tall, fat, skinny, black, brown, have red-hair or not.
Your name is called to play your first match and you shake hands with your first opponent, who asks, “why are you playing in the open division against all of these blondes and brunettes?” Is it to see how good you can do against them? Dumbfounded once again, you say, “No, I’m just here to win like any other tournament.”
Surprisingly, you look around and see that you are the only red head playing in The Open Division. Another person walks by, genuinely confused, and asks “Is this a real match going on, or are you two just practicing?”
It’s a tuff match, but you manage to win 9-6. Spectators look to you with huge eyes and say, “If you could beat that brunette, you probably could have easily won the red-headed tournament.”
Then, a reporter walks by and says, “You’ve got a lot of guts playing with those blondes!”
QUESTION #1) If you lived in this world which division would you play in?
#2) Why? Before you continue reading, please email your response to me at theangelofbilliards@yahoo.com.
Do you think this world is strange and ridiculous? So, do I.
Did you know that this is the same world we live in? Except the red-heads in the scenario are females and the majority of other players are males. The above story is from my personal experience of being the 1st female to compete in various men’s national tournaments.
This world and story gives women a false view of their ability and potential.
I have a dream…that one day, all people, male and female, will play billiards together as equals. And the person who turns in the finest performance that day will be the one applauded. If tournaments must be divided, the divisions will be based only on skill level!
In billiards, division based on sex is as silly as dividing players based on hair or the color of our skin!
‘To believe what has not occurred in history will not occur at all is to argue disbelief in the dignity of man.’ Mahatma Ghandi
‘In our time, what is at issue is the very nature of humankind, the image we have of our limits and possibilities. History is not yet done with its exploration of the limits of what it means to be human.’ C. Wright Mills
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Imagine you’re in another world…
This world and story gives women a false view of their ability and potential.

I would argue that one of the reasons that, as a whole, women do not play as well as men (ACK! Not that old subject! ACK!) is that we limit ourselves and accept those situations/ beliefs. We should be playing the men more.

Completely selfishly, I want women's tourneys where we can see how we stack up against each other, and open tourneys where we can play like and learn to compete with the men.

I don't want men's- only tourneys. Maybe when we start stomping the opens they can have men's only tourneys. : )

I just want to point out, to readers of the funny gif thread, that I used "Ack!" in a sentence. Heh, heh. : )
 
I would argue that one of the reasons that, as a whole, women do not play as well as men (ACK! Not that old subject! ACK!) is that we limit ourselves and accept those situations/ beliefs. We should be playing the men more.

Completely selfishly, I want women's tourneys where we can see how we stack up against each other, and open tourneys where we can play like and learn to compete with the men.

I don't want men's- only tourneys. Maybe when we start stomping the opens they can have men's only tourneys. : )

I just want to point out, to readers of the funny gif thread, that I used "Ack!" in a sentence. Heh, heh. : )

This is true, women do limit themselves, in the same way most men limit themselves too. The only true champions out there are the ones who let it all go knowing they might fail and if they do fail they try again, and again, and again, and hope one day to achieve what they haven't. In a previous post I stated that women should be banned from tournaments that men are in. Let me elaborate on that. As long as the WPBA restricts men from playing in their events then women shouldn't be allowed to play with men in events. There is no men's tour that doesn't allow women to play so the WPBA shouldn't be restrictive to allow men to play. The point I think Tom was trying to make is that it isn't fair that women can enter an OPEN event and knock men out of the money, but we aren't allowed to go and knock you out of your money tournaments. It would be different if we had a tour that was strictly Men. Like the MPBA (for example) if we made the MPBA I think women would get crazy and start yelling out descrimination. I mean hell how easy do women have it?? Most tour stops don't even charge no pro women for entry and pay the highest placing woman some money. Still yet I see very few women (if any) at most of the stops I hit, but I can stop by a WPBA qualifier and see women all over. Why is that?
 
This is true, women do limit themselves, in the same way most men limit themselves too. The only true champions out there are the ones who let it all go knowing they might fail and if they do fail they try again, and again, and again, and hope one day to achieve what they haven't. In a previous post I stated that women should be banned from tournaments that men are in. Let me elaborate on that. As long as the WPBA restricts men from playing in their events then women shouldn't be allowed to play with men in events. There is no men's tour that doesn't allow women to play so the WPBA shouldn't be restrictive to allow men to play. The point I think Tom was trying to make is that it isn't fair that women can enter an OPEN event and knock men out of the money, but we aren't allowed to go and knock you out of your money tournaments. It would be different if we had a tour that was strictly Men. Like the MPBA (for example) if we made the MPBA I think women would get crazy and start yelling out descrimination. I mean hell how easy do women have it?? Most tour stops don't even charge no pro women for entry and pay the highest placing woman some money. Still yet I see very few women (if any) at most of the stops I hit, but I can stop by a WPBA qualifier and see women all over. Why is that?


Actually there WAS an "MPBA" and just like every mens only tour it failed miserably. Why? Because we men tend to try and one up one another, get over on one another, stab one another in the back, screw over one another, look out for only numero uno. Why should the women invite men to participate in their events when the men have never shown the women anything except contempt and a willingness to screw anybody over. As for "OPEN" events....OPEN means OPEN not "mens". The women in open events are not beating men out of some god given money specified for men only....they pay their entry fee too. As long as the men do not have a decent tour (and probably never will) then yes men should have mens only tournaments both invitational and "mens opens". Point being it's really not the women who need to prove something first, the men need to prove they can organize their own friggin sock drawer first (so to speak).:rolleyes:
 
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