are you kidding me? apa what a joke

Well, I'm on page 2

Yeah..What Scott Lee said.

Really if you want to play for money, get envolved in the bigger tourneys in your surrounding area's..an you don't have to win a trip to vegas to play in vegas..
APA has mini mainia there..you just have to have enough matches played to establesh a skill level..10 matches I think..in my area our LO wants 20..just fly down an play.
Yes you will be paying for every thing your self..but there ton of tourneys..or just down
The street aways there are big tables for serious money..all you have to do is ask.
Woof..woof..

And this is as far as I am reading this thread. APA is great for the beginner type players. It's not geared for the better players, and not set up to win money on local levels. It's a lot of time and money to run a league system. I have a friend who runs one. Each operator is entitled to make a profit for the work they do.

On a side note, if you wanna make money playing pool, go to the action section, or post it here. Insert your REAL name and the town you're in, and ask for some action. You'll make a ton of money. There will be guys coming from all over to play you some pool, and GIVE you all the money they can raise. There is money to be made in the any of the league systems, but you have to be able to win matches in Vegas against good players to get it.
 
APA has its place just like BCA, straight 8, and all the other leagues. Love it or hate it APA is the largest league around. Sure i hate all the sandbagging but I love playing apa because its a great way to spend some time with friends, meet new people and shoot against competition I would never get the chance. I'm only a 4 and don't shoot any local tournaments because frankly I'm not good enough yet. The weekly tournaments are the same bunch of guys week in and week out and the same few win every week. Im not going to go pay 15-40 to play a few games and get beat.

You cant knock APA for making money, they are a business and the goal of any business is to make a profit. Sure I would like our local league to give more money back but if they did that less teams would get a trip to Vegas. Our local league gives trophies for first and second place for sessions. In the cups you can will 200 to 800 per team. Cities is all about the trip to Vegas.

I play double jeopardy 2 night a week. Our weekly dues is 48 a team. One bar pays all of the 48 and has 8 teams all in house, the other pays half, so 2 per person that shoots. So for less than 20 dollars a week we get to shoot pool, drink a few beers and hang out have a good time.
 
So, then the league operator said we had to play in the winter and spring leagues to retain our eligibility to advance and have a chance to go to Vegas.

mad::mad::mad:

Had you bothered to read the rule book and by-laws of your league, you would have known this from the very beginning.

Steve
 
That's where you are missing the point. $8 a week is nothing. We have rooms in town that charge that much for an hour of table time, and when the hour is up, they don't pay you for playing!

Where does the APA ever promise you will make money playing in their league?????????????


Steve

Last Friday I played in a tourney that cost me $5 to enter. I got to shoot over 50 racks of 9 ball against high level competition until about 1 in the morning.

So yes $8 a week is definately something when I have to sit around on my @ss waiting to play ( if i'm lucky ) 6-7 racks against ( most of the time ) someone that's lucky to run 4 balls.
 
After taking a 15 hiatis, I realized after one session why I do NOT play in the APA and no one should. We finished 2nd in our league, then won our playoff's. So, then the league operator said we had to play in the winter and spring leagues to retain our eligibility to advance and have a chance to go to Vegas.

I SAID screw that. I was done once again wth APA. I joined a MO 8 ball team, we tied for 2nd place and won the playoff's just like my previous team did in the APA, exact SCENARIO.

APA equals $0 in my pocket
Mo 8 wuals $60 in my pocket

Basically same length of session, weekly fees and membership cost.
Difference is APA = $000000000000
Missouri 8 ball = $60 per player/

AND

This weekend we are NOT going to Vegas for some GAFF tournament, we are driving 30 minutes from home for a chance to win $8000 which is $1000 per player>??? Let us REVIEW, Missouri 8 ball, stay in town and win a $1000 per player every 3 or 4 months vs going to VEGAS for the pie in the sky WET DREAM.

Sorry APA soul soilders. This in NOT what Louie Roberts imagined when he started the Busch league. With mother hubbard and terry ballgame bell.

xoxoxo:mad::mad::mad:

Mark- Danny and I need to set down with you and explain Zim's Rack 8-Ball League to you! We are working to bring "Vegas" to "St. Louis"!

Zim
 
The APA is what it is... a good time league for beginners and part time players. It's not the US OPEN of pool. It's not built to pay out tons of money. It is also not built to give you a quick trip to Vegas either. It is for a good time. Bottom line you just have to know this going in.

There are more then plenty of tours around and tournaments at least a cpl hours drive from where ever you live to get the competition and action fix that a player needs without having to suffer through 3 seesions of league nights if that isn't your gig.

The APA isn't for everyone obviously... it's not for me. But I don't bash the APA either. Simply because it is great for the game of pool. Hundreds apon hundreds upon hundreds of people are learning this game everyday because of the APA and TAP ect ect.

Like it or hate it don't bash them because it's not for you. Like I said there is a tour stop every weekend somewhere. A little drive will cure you lol.
 
After taking a 15 hiatis, I realized after one session why I do NOT play in the APA and no one should. We finished 2nd in our league, then won our playoff's. So, then the league operator said we had to play in the winter and spring leagues to retain our eligibility to advance and have a chance to go to Vegas.

I SAID screw that. I was done once again wth APA. I joined a MO 8 ball team, we tied for 2nd place and won the playoff's just like my previous team did in the APA, exact SCENARIO.

APA equals $0 in my pocket
Mo 8 wuals $60 in my pocket

Basically same length of session, weekly fees and membership cost.
Difference is APA = $000000000000
Missouri 8 ball = $60 per player/

AND

This weekend we are NOT going to Vegas for some GAFF tournament, we are driving 30 minutes from home for a chance to win $8000 which is $1000 per player>??? Let us REVIEW, Missouri 8 ball, stay in town and win a $1000 per player every 3 or 4 months vs going to VEGAS for the pie in the sky WET DREAM.

Sorry APA soul soilders. This in NOT what Louie Roberts imagined when he started the Busch league. With mother hubbard and terry ballgame bell.

xoxoxo:mad::mad::mad:


You are lucky there are a lot of options where you live. Some places people don't have a choice.
 
tap, tap, tap!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Let me see if I understand this correctly. You won your league session, and got no money? IF that is the case, there is a problem with your LO. My team won it's session, and split $800, which by my poor math skills is $100 each. Which is better than your MO $60, at this point in the discussion. That is paid whether you decide to go into the next session or not.

So let me see if I understand you. The APA is in BUSINESS to do business, and expects you to stay active in the League for the whole year if you want to get a chance at going to Vegas. And they are wrong for doing that? So in order for you to get your chance at Vegas, you 'd have to play pool each week (a bad thing?) usually for cheaper than a regular night at the hall (a bad thing?) and maybe win some more cash if you won the next session (s) (a bad thing?). Just sounds like more "the APA sucks" bandwagoning.

And BTW, not everybody is in driving distance to your "far superior" MO League. Which I bet would have problems of it's own, were it to get to be as big as APA.

i
 
Must be a bummer to think you were playing position to take APA off only to learn that APA had the nuts the whole time eh?

APA is a social thing, its not an alternative income source for good poolplayers.
 
ShootingRazbone...WOW! Finally, a level-headed, rational response to the majority of these "bash the APA" threads! So nice to see someone who can communicate the facts (even knowing and admitting that they themselves don't care for APA play), without getting so emotional about what the APA is or isn't! EXCELLENT post! Thank you ShootingRazbone! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

The APA is what it is... a good time league for beginners and part time players. It's not the US OPEN of pool. It's not built to pay out tons of money. It is also not built to give you a quick trip to Vegas either. It is for a good time. Bottom line you just have to know this going in.

There are more then plenty of tours around and tournaments at least a cpl hours drive from where ever you live to get the competition and action fix that a player needs without having to suffer through 3 seesions of league nights if that isn't your gig.

The APA isn't for everyone obviously... it's not for me. But I don't bash the APA either. Simply because it is great for the game of pool. Hundreds apon hundreds upon hundreds of people are learning this game everyday because of the APA and TAP ect ect.

Like it or hate it don't bash them because it's not for you. Like I said there is a tour stop every weekend somewhere. A little drive will cure you lol.
 
You gotta be kidding me

Instead of trying to make pool your part-time job, why not just go to league night after work, relax, have a beer, see your friends, and help coach your teammates so they can learn from you and have fun in the process.

THIS is the point of APA!!!
 
Not trying to discredit APA in general.

Instead of trying to make pool your part-time job, why not just go to league night after work, relax, have a beer, see your friends, and help coach your teammates so they can learn from you and have fun in the process.

THIS is the point of APA!!!
Just wondering do they once again have APA in the Sarasota area?
When I use to winter there 98-03, They had VNEA, TAP and a local league.
I was told that a previous APA LO had run off with the money leaving a bad rep for the APA in the head of locals.
Actually the story was the father went to jail and the son took over and disappeared with the cash.
 
LOL this previous post will give us all a much clearer incite into the OP

"none of us pool players that stay in action on the road every week know what we will be doin next year 2 weeks after the event but now that i found out u can hold a room with no charge ill have 3 or 4 rooms heald next your"


How do you play in pool leagues, but stay in action on the road every week? Do you drive back one night a week for an APA league from your high dollar matches?
 
ShootingRazbone...WOW! Finally, a level-headed, rational response to the majority of these "bash the APA" threads! So nice to see someone who can communicate the facts (even knowing and admitting that they themselves don't care for APA play), without getting so emotional about what the APA is or isn't!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I too am kinda like ShootingRazbone in that while I no longer shoot in the APA, I don't have any problems with the STRUCTURE of the organization. If rules/protocol are followed, the system works for anyone looking for a fun, social league. I played five straight years both 8-ball and 9-ball without missing a session. I am sitting out this session in both 8 and 9-ball simply from burn-out (I haven't as yet decided if I'm going back into it).

Why am I burnt-out? 1.) Our league operator is a complete idiot. He screws the schedules up, he is clearly biased towards certain bars/poolhalls, he NEVER goes and watches anyone play on league night, he has never gone to Vegas in support of any of his divisions teams. He has let a 9-ball team into a division several weeks into it with the promise to the new (to the APA) men players that he would give them a ranking of SL2's (this happened because I spoke about this with the captain of the team that I'm talking about here, AND we had to play them shortly after this happened). He did this I'm sure so HE could pocket the the $60 (two teams, $30 per) he was losing because of the bye. Now, I'm seeing on this thread that he may (or may not, I don't KNOW) be supposed to be giving payments to teams for winning their divisions and playoffs. I have been on more than a few teams that have won both our division AND the playoff which qualified us for the city tournament (which the LO runs very badly) and have never gotten a dime. There are other things I could mention here but I'm really trying not to make this post too long and not get into discussing the LO's character/criminal history.
2.) There are simply too many people in my APA divisions that either have bad etiquette, poor sportsmanship, or are just blatant cheaters. Hell, some of them openly talk about it (the "s" word, rhymes with handbag). It does get frustrating to spot a player a game or two on the wire in a short race when they can shoot as good (sometimes better) than I can. Then my poor wife (a SL4 and grandmother of six) often has to shoot young men who are SL3's that shoot way better than she does (how come they can do that ;)?).
3.) I don't care to sit in a smoky bar/poolroom for three or four hours waiting to shoot a match that might last 30- 45 minutes.
4.) More times than I like I end up shooting a SL2 or SL3 (I'm a SL6 in both 8 and 9-ball). My game doesn't need this. For all the above listed BS I have to endure, I would at least like to play someone my ability or better, as long as the handicaps are true.
5.) Most scorekeepers have no clue what shots to mark a safety on. This is a large part of why handicaps are so screwed up.


All that being said, these gripes are not a reflection, nor are they condoned by the APA organization. Like I stated earlier, the APA will work if the rules are followed. It's a good league IMO. It's good for pool in general. If I go back into it I may join a Masters league. I still will have to shoot regular 8-ball if I want to enjoy playing on a team with my wife. But I'm going to have to change my mental outlook on the whole shebang if I'm going to enjoy it as much as I'd like to.

Please note that I'm NOT bashing the APA. I don't have a problem with it. I do however, have many problems with the South Arlington APA as I stated earlier. I hope all that read this post see the reasons behind my frustrations and don't think I'm being whiny.

Maniac
 
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Just wondering do they once again have APA in the Sarasota area?
When I use to winter there 98-03, They had VNEA, TAP and a local league.
I was told that a previous APA LO had run off with the money leaving a bad rep for the APA in the head of locals.
Actually the story was the father went to jail and the son took over and disappeared with the cash.

Yes, we have APA here and a couple of fantastic league operators who care very much for the players and are doing everything they can to expand operations/locations, have more tournaments, and recruit new players. Here is their website. Glad to hear things have changed for the better in SRQ.

http://manateeapa.com/
 
Maniac...I don't think you're being "whiny" at all. Sadly, there are problem league operators in all leagues, not just with APA. Unfortunately APA is purchased franchise, and the local rep has a lot of flexibility on how they control fees and funds (with the exception of paying the weekly royalty to the parent company), etc. If the parent company finds out that an L.O. is out-and-out stealing from the players, they have covenants built into the contract that allow them to take the franchise away. I've only seen that happen a couple of times in the past 30 years. Usually what they do is "lean on" the L.O. to sell their franchise to someone else, who will hopefully run it better than the last person. Thanks for posting!:grin-square:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I too am kinda like ShootingRazbone in that while I no longer shoot in the APA, I don't have any problems with the STRUCTURE of the organization. If rules/protocol are followed, the system works for anyone looking for a fun, social league. I played five straight years both 8-ball and 9-ball without missing a session. I am sitting out this session in both 8 and 9-ball simply from burn-out (I haven't as yet decided if I'm going back into it).

Why am I burnt-out? 1.) Our league operator is a complete idiot. He screws the schedules up, he is clearly biased towards certain bars/poolhalls, he NEVER goes and watches anyone play on league night, he has never gone to Vegas in support of any of his divisions teams. He has let a 9-ball team into a division several weeks into it with the promise to the new (to the APA) men players that he would give them a ranking of SL2's (this happened because I spoke about this with the captain of the team that I'm talking about here, AND we had to play them shortly after this happened). He did this I'm sure so HE could pocket the the $60 (two teams, $30 per) he was losing because of the bye. Now, I'm seeing on this thread that he may (or may not, I don't KNOW) be supposed to be giving payments to teams for winning their divisions and playoffs. I have been on more than a few teams that have won both our division AND the playoff which qualified us for the city tournament (which the LO runs very badly) and have never gotten a dime. There are other things I could mention here but I'm really trying not to make this post too long and not get into discussing the LO's character/criminal history.
2.) There are simply too many people in my APA divisions that either have bad etiquette, poor sportsmanship, or are just blatant cheaters. Hell, some of them openly talk about it (the "s" word, rhymes with handbag). It does get frustrating to spot a player a game or two on the wire in a short race when they can shoot as good (sometimes better) than I can. Then my poor wife (a SL4 and grandmother of six) often has to shoot young men who are SL3's that shoot way better than she does (how come they can do that ;)?).
3.) I don't care to sit in a smoky bar/poolroom for three or four hours waiting to shoot a match that might last 30- 45 minutes.
4.) More times than I like I end up shooting a SL2 or SL3 (I'm a SL6 in both 8 and 9-ball). My game doesn't need this. For all the above listed BS I have to endure, I would at least like to play someone my ability or better, as long as the handicaps are true.
5.) Most scorekeepers have no clue what shots to mark a safety on. This is a large part of why handicaps are so screwed up.


All that being said, these gripes are not a reflection, nor are they condoned by the APA organization. Like I stated earlier, the APA will work if the rules are followed. It's a good league IMO. It's good for pool in general. If I go back into it I may join a Masters league. I still will have to shoot regular 8-ball if I want to enjoy playing on a team with my wife. But I'm going to have to change my mental outlook on the whole shebang if I'm going to enjoy it as much as I'd like to.

Please note that I'm NOT bashing the APA. I don't have a problem with it. I do however, have many problems with the South Arlington APA as I stated earlier. I hope all that read this post see the reasons behind my frustrations and don't think I'm being whinny.

Maniac
 
If you care, I would strongly suggest you contact their HQ in St. Louis. I'm sure they'd like to hear your story to correct a potential problem with their league. That's a good thing about the APA, there's always someone above your local operator.
 
Yes, we have APA here and a couple of fantastic league operators who care very much for the players and are doing everything they can to expand operations/locations, have more tournaments, and recruit new players. Here is their website. Glad to hear things have changed for the better in SRQ.

http://manateeapa.com/
I checked out the Website. A lot of the host locations would have nothing to do with the APA about 7 or 8 years ago.
It shows just how important it is to have a good league operator to have a successful franchise. I am glad they brought it back. Kudos to them.
Is the VNEA still there?
 
Apa

The APA is run like castro runs cuba. The league operators run it as ruthless or ethical as they like and the apa could care less as long as the money keeps rolling in to the party coffers. Saying there is someone to go to above the league operator is b/s. My experience has to do with the operator who I never saw in 3 years sandbagging teams in his area and allowed harrasment of people in their 60s by young punks during playoffs until the wives of one of the older players was crying. The district or whatever their called came and laughed it up with their homeboys while it continued. I am a grown man who can play pool better than most and have been in the other pool world also, but I joined for all the reasons already stated fun and friendship.What kind of business gives the operator who controls 75 miles of apa territory the right to behave as bad as they wish? A business that is all about the money. Yes Mr. Lee the money. Although I can expand my mind enough to know not all or most of the apa franchises are not like what I experienced seeing the collusion from the bottom to the top was enough to piss me off every time I hear the word APA. So be broadminded enough to understand some APA districts that are complaining may have a serious complaint and no where to go but OUT with an attitude! So why do folks stay? I asked this same question. Why would you give your money year after year to these scumbags knowing nothing is going to change? There answer was I don't want to give up seeing my friends, socializing, and its the only game in town so I just accept it. For me I'll keep my self respect, pay by the hour and tip the help who appreciates the money.
 
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