I guess some people have reading comprehension problems, he said IF Shane played heyball. If Shane's focus was heyball from day 1, he'd play great heyball.
Arizona Open 2026, Yuma, August 13-16
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On a global basis i'd bet that WNT/MR stuff is way more popular than Pred's stuff. As for me i'll only watch women's pool if both are top-10 players. As for doubles? I wouldn't get out of the electric chair to watch any mixed doubles. Only doubles i 'might' watch is in the MC.
Efren took up one pocket fairly late compared to the other disciplines. Certainly, by 2003, he was the guy to beat at one pocket. He also took up bank pool a little late and retired without even one Derby City bank pool title.
Though he eked out the all-around in 1999, in the first five Derby City Classics, Efren won 0 9ball titles, 0 bank pool titles, and 1 one pocket title. Any suggestion that he was a dominant all-around player before about 2003 does not hold up to scrutiny.
Yes, the Derby City Classic DID exist in Efren's prime as an all-around player, which would have been 2003-10. His five Master of the Table titles might stand as the record forever, but if there's a guy out there that can get to six, it is surely Gorst.
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I don't think it's arguable that Efren's prime was after he turned 44 years old. Yes, Efren won lots of events in 2003-10, but many of those events didn't exist or didn't have strong international fields before that time period. So all this shows is that the opportunities for titles increased as Efren got older, and that he had extremely good longevity, not that he was in his prime in his late 40s and 50s.
It's true that Efren learned 1p and banks later in life, but that's also because these were more niche games, played mostly by Americans, when Efren was younger. If Efren had learned these games when he was younger, he would have dominated then too.
This is why I don't think it makes much sense to compare Efren's greatness as an all-around player to today's players by looking at DCC MOT awards: players like Fedor, today, grew up in an era where all the top players were playing every game, and had tournaments like the DCC to compete at for their whole careers. Efren grew up in an era where top international players didn't compete in 1p or banks, and the DCC didn't even exist. If it had existed when Efren was 20, and there was prize money to be won, can anyone really imagine he wouldn't have at least a few more MOT titles?
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a roda vs shane final seems very likely
Dude, turn down the fan boy volume, you’re gushing FFS.
Ko brothers have gone deep and they only switched recently.Dude, turn down the fan boy volume, you’re gushing FFS.
And they are not on the level of the GOAT SVB.
GOAT? Now not only are you gushing, but you’ve moved on to full blown delusional.
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Kind of bizarre that they slather Arizona and Yuma all over this and it is in California, not even the same time zone.
Not sure if we have seen the same game. Fillers break was off and he couldn't get good spreads or the cueball under control. His safeties were off and he overshot or undershot them too often. He also missed fairly easy pots.
Nothing against Roda but that was not what I would call "sharp" on Fillers side.