Artificial intelligence (Google's AI) making up stuff about pool

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I didn't know how carbon fiber was placed in a kielwood shaft by Pure X and asked Google about it. Its' AI responded claiming carbon fiber was wrapped around a maple core. After some effort contacting Pure X associates, it appears that is baloney and that no cue shaft of any company is made that way. AI made it up.

Companies put carbon fiber in a maple shaft by inserting a carbon-fiber tube or rod in the center of a cored-out maple shaft. Some put CF in the shaft at the joint end & foam at cue-tip end (Mezz), at joint and cue-tip ends (Bear & Fury), the whole shaft (McDermott?), and maybe even placing maple wood inside and around the CF tube (McDermott?). All CF/Maple shafts are encased in maple.

I asked Google "How is carbon fiber placed in the Pure X Kielwood FUZE?

AI answered that Pure X wove a sheet of carbon fiber around the wood core and glued them with epoxy. It is not inserted "embedded" in the wood --- CF is wrapped around the wood. It implied, too, the shaft surface was carbon fiber.

Garczer spoke with a player for the company that distributes Pure X's FUZE who told a carbon fiber rod or tube runs down the center of the shaft. I wrote to the company, Cue and Case, and it wrote that the “the carbon fiber runs through the shaft itself”. As far as I know, no cue shaft is made by wrapping carbon fiber around a maple core.

Google's AI and its response cited
____ Cue and Case (nothing about wrapping CF here)
____ Fort Worth Billiards Store (nothing about wrapping CF here)
____ Dragon Plate
____ PFH Private Hochschule Göttinge

No reference cited stated anything about wrapping carbon fiber around any cue anything. Dragon Plate and PFH describe the textile-like process of making the carbon fiber but nothing about pool cues. AI's riff probably came from that......

See more info at thread CF infused Torrified shafts at https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/cf-infused-torrified-shafts.568245/

The AI answer on wrapping CF probably came from the links AI cited below:

www.pfh.de

How carbon fibre is made

Carbon fibre is made of very thin strands of the element carbon. Characteristics, manufacturing process, application and the future of carbon fibre ⇒ learn more here!
www.pfh.de www.pfh.de

dragonplate.com

DragonPlate | Engineered Carbon Fiber | Made in USA

DragonPlate offers custom carbon fiber shapes and carbon fiber composite products, including tubes, sheets, and plates.
dragonplate.com


dragonplate.com

DragonPlate | Engineered Carbon Fiber | Made in USA

DragonPlate offers custom carbon fiber shapes and carbon fiber composite products, including tubes, sheets, and plates.
dragonplate.com

Paul_#_ said:
I asked Google's AIrtificial Intelligence: How is the carbon fiber placed in the Pure X Kielwood FUZE?

It answered that the carbon fiber is wrapped (woven?) around the maple wood core (the FUZE photos of a wood surface contradicts this, though):

In a Pure X Kielwood FUZE pool cue shaft, the carbon fiber is typically placed as a thin layer wrapped around the maple wood core, often using a specific weave pattern to optimize stiffness and deflection, providing increased control and power while minimizing vibration; this is usually done through a process of applying epoxy resin to the wood core, then carefully wrapping the carbon fiber sheet around it, and finally curing the epoxy to bond it in place.The carbon fiber is not embedded within the wood, but rather wrapped around the maple shaft as a layer on the outsideThe carbon fiber sheets are usually woven in a specific pattern (like a plain weave or a unidirectional weave) to control the stiffness and flex characteristics of the shaft
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garczar said:
Oscar D., C&C staff player, said both Infuzed shafts, kiel and maple, use a full-length cf core. Oscar's a pretty smart cat and stays current on tech so i'd say he probably know
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skip100 said:
Are you surprised?
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I am surprised. I know no other machine that makes up stuff and so convincingly. I learned of computers as amazingly accurate and fast at mathematical tasks. It did as programmed. Very predictable and machine-like. Hallucinating computers surprises me.
 
Paul_#_ said:
I am surprised. I know no other machine that makes up stuff and so convincingly. I learned of computers as amazingly accurate and fast at mathematical tasks. It did as programmed. Very predictable and machine-like. Hallucinating computers surprises me.
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I wouldn't underestimate its analytical abilities. It may be humanizing its replies. :D
 
skip100 said:
Are you surprised? It is a text regurgitator that doesn’t have any actual knowledge or thought process. When accurate data is unavailable or hard to find it makes stuff up that sounds good.
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Either that ,or the AI "steers" you toward something similar but not quite what you asked,......Kinda like "Same thing, only different"
Both Google and Microsoft's AI programs are fallible.
Don't even get me started on what YOU TUBE has turned into!
 
If you ask it an easy question or a question about something with a lot of accessible supporting documentation it will do a good job.

"How is carbon fiber placed in the Pure X Kielwood FUZE" is exactly the kind of question that generative AI products will struggle with. It has a specific answer that is not well publicized or documented dealing with a niche product in a niche industry.
 
overall a.i. will increase the average i.q of the forum members here. and they need it.
it should be a welcome addition to the forums.
  • :)
  • of course we have numjust to help us through this transition
 
Dunnn51 said:
Either that ,or the AI "steers" you toward something similar but not quite what you asked,......Kinda like "Same thing, only different"
Both Google and Microsoft's AI programs are fallible.
Don't even get me started on what YOU TUBE has turned into!
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Its not just AI and youtube but rather it seems the whole interweb. You cant even search something without getting pages of topics that do not apply, and what happened to the advanced search that search engines used to have?
 
as any good technology gets established then the money generation of it comes primarily into play. it will only get worse

for those older, when satellite tv came with the big dishes we got over a hundred free tv stations for years. then the small dish and better tech came into the picture and now you pay for everything except what you can get on an over the air antenna.
and internet was free over your phone line.
 
skip100 said:
If you ask it an easy question or a question about something with a lot of accessible supporting documentation it will do a good job.

"How is carbon fiber placed in the Pure X Kielwood FUZE" is exactly the kind of question that generative AI products will struggle with. It has a specific answer that is not well publicized or documented dealing with a niche product in a niche industry.
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In those cases the AI program should return an answer that goes something like this: I'm sorry, but I have not been able to locate enough information that is relevant to your question so I cannot give you a meaningful answer.
 
AI is really crap at this point.

Here is a 'help me sell' for a gold crown:
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Badpenguin said:
Yes, this is commonly known as AI Hallucinations. The AI that is currently being touted as the next big thing is complete garbage. Anyone who tells you otherwise works for someone trying to sell AI.
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One of the things I do for a living is freelance business writing, generally web content, HR manuals and critical email and snail mail communications. Lately, some of my clients have been trying AI apps such as Chat GTP and Grammerly to try to save money. Of those, most have abandoned it after one or two projects.

The AI output usually is hideous to anyone with a professional knowledge of English. While the syntax and grammar may be technically correct much of the time, there is very little precision and relevance in the actual content. The examples I've seen tend to make heavy use of vague, flowery and overblown language. They seem to be following the advice of W.C. Fields; If you cant dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t.
 
ai will be all you need. ai will control all. ai will run the imperfect world. ai will eliminate bad people. ai will control the world. ai will make you good. ai will control you.
 
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