Ash Shafts vs Maple?
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Ash is a softer hardwood. Can warp more easily in my experience.
just curious about the price and btw I am jealous. I've always wanted to get an ash shaft. Tried to contact John Parris but no luck. how much do you think Paul would charge for a 12.5mm ash 3/8x10 and I'm asking you on the off chance maybe you got something close to that?
As far as what to expect I know they are not radially consistent like a pie spliced maple shaft would be so you'll have to keep the arrows side facing up. But ash is less dense than maple. It'll be the most solid lower deflection shaft you ever shoot with. I would guess the LD is not going to be super drastic depending on the taper, tip size and ferrule. I just have read a lot about them I've never gotten to shoot with one. I know that Gareth Potts has a modified ash snooker cue that is specially made for Chinese 8ball. Dont know the specs except it has a 11.7mm tip and a carbon fiber ferrule. He claims it has super low deflection
As far as what to expect I know they are not radially consistent like a pie spliced maple shaft would be so you'll have to keep the arrows side facing up. But ash is less dense than maple. It'll be the most solid lower deflection shaft you ever shoot with. I would guess the LD is not going to be super drastic depending on the taper, tip size and ferrule. I just have read a lot about them I've never gotten to shoot with one. I know that Gareth Potts has a modified ash snooker cue that is specially made for Chinese 8ball. Dont know the specs except it has a 11.7mm tip and a carbon fiber ferrule. He claims it has super low deflection
Several years ago, I had Tom Coker build a 31" Ash Shaft for Snooker (11mm tip). It plays Great and No Warpage. It is 3/8 x 10, so I can use it on several different butts.
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Believe me I would love to be a dealer for PFD cues, but I am not. If you need his contact info please PM me. THx
Believe me I would love to be a dealer for PFD cues, but I am not. If you need his contact info please PM me. THx
What difference you notice will depend on what you are using now. 
I notice no difference between my favourite maple snooker cue and my ash beast for the big table that has a mini butt and a telescoping extension. Both have the same tip.
I notice no difference between my favourite maple snooker cue and my ash beast for the big table that has a mini butt and a telescoping extension. Both have the same tip.
I have only finished one for Dean. In my opinion, if two shafts were made to the same specks. The ash shaft would be stiffer. I have 3 more ash shafts in process for Dean. These came from Shadowmoss. I have noticed no signs of warpage on any of them. The only downside is they are a pain to seal and get to feeling smooth.
Larry
Larry
First let me say, I feel, that the Ash Shaftwood that Shadowmoss is offering is likely the very best Ash ever made available to cue makers - the growth ring count and straightness of the grain lines end to end is comparable to some of the best maple in the market. Unfortunately, THIS Ash is not the stuff you buy in the lumber yard - this Ash is very unusual in all respects and once it is gone not sure how many other trees he will find that will produce this quality. I could go on about other aspects - but will save that discussion for another time.
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Only difference I have ever been able to tell between the two is the grain in the ash is a ***** for anyone with facial hair that likes their chin to touch the cue. It snags on mine all the time and is a real pain. I've been looking for a maple snooker cue for a while but as of yet haven't found one I like.
Actually top snooker pro Stephen Maguire recently switched from ash to maple for this very reason.
I guess that gives credence to the lament that you missed by a whisker.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Al
Shaving
I tried to catch a whisker on one of these and had no luck, nice and smooth. So it must be who and how they were made.
I tried to catch a whisker on one of these and had no luck, nice and smooth. So it must be who and how they were made.
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I think ash is more common than maple in Europe in general. I think it is just a matter of available resources.
I think ash is more common than maple in Europe in general. I think it is just a matter of available resources.
Snooker cues are thinner (sometimes only 8mm at the tip) and smaller OD at the handle and thus need stiffer materials. Note the grain orientation is always the same way in relationship to the handle's bevel.
Snooker cues are thinner (sometimes only 8mm at the tip) and smaller OD at the handle and thus need stiffer materials. Note the grain orientation is always the same way in relationship to the handle's bevel.
So then is ash denser than maple?
Ash & maple comparison
Here are the numbers - draw your own conclusions*
*However, these numbers do not take into account the very dense Ash that is being offered - so perhaps adding a factor of + 10% to 15% for the Ash might better reflect the real numbers for THIS Ash
WHITE ASH / Density, g/cc = 0.638
SUGAR MAPLE Density, g/cc = 0.676
WHITE ASH Density, lbs/cu./ft. = 39.83
SUGAR MAPLE Density, ibs/cu./ft. = 42.20
Modulus of rupture, air dry kg/sq.mm
WHITE ASH = 11.01
SUGAR MAPLE = 10.97
Modulus of elasticity, air dry, kg/sq.mm
WHITE ASH = 1249
SUGAR MAPLE = 1290
Here are the numbers - draw your own conclusions*
*However, these numbers do not take into account the very dense Ash that is being offered - so perhaps adding a factor of + 10% to 15% for the Ash might better reflect the real numbers for THIS Ash
WHITE ASH / Density, g/cc = 0.638
SUGAR MAPLE Density, g/cc = 0.676
WHITE ASH Density, lbs/cu./ft. = 39.83
SUGAR MAPLE Density, ibs/cu./ft. = 42.20
Modulus of rupture, air dry kg/sq.mm
WHITE ASH = 11.01
SUGAR MAPLE = 10.97
Modulus of elasticity, air dry, kg/sq.mm
WHITE ASH = 1249
SUGAR MAPLE = 1290
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