Asking price for used Gold Crown III's

Cuedog

Cuedog

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We may be selling (8) eight 4 1/2' x 9' Brunswick Gold Crown III's soon. My question is, what is the current asking price on the east coast for 6 or 7 year old ones?

Now I'm sure everyone has a phenomenal deal that their friend got or a story about a place going out of business that needed to move them quickly, so they darn near gave them away. That's not what I'm after.

What I need to know is what is a fair price for seller and buyer if they are buying one table, and also what is fair if they purchase multiple tables.

- Tables are in excellent condition.
- They have been covered an average of once per year...slightly more often.
- Original color on castings is somewhat worn as is usual with these.

Thanks for your help.

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
We may be selling (8) eight 4 1/2' x 9' Brunswick Gold Crown III's soon. My question is, what is the current asking price on the east coast for 6 or 7 year old ones?

Now I'm sure everyone has a phenomenal deal that their friend got or a story about a place going out of business that needed to move them quickly, so they darn near gave them away. That's not what I'm after.

What I need to know is what is a fair price for seller and buyer if they are buying one table, and also what is fair if they purchase multiple tables.

- Tables are in excellent condition.
- They have been covered an average of once per year...slightly more often.
- Original color on castings is somewhat worn as is usual with these.

Thanks for your help.

Gene
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Probably between $1,000 and $1,500.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Probably between $1,000 and $1,500.
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Did you read where I indicated the tables are only 7 years old tops? They sold for 6500.00 retail then and the GC 4's are now up to $8000.00 retail.

I hadn't planned to dispute the opinions of all that respond, but I couldn't help it in this case.

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
Did you read where I indicated the tables are only 7 years old tops? They sold for 6500.00 retail then and the GC 4's are now up to $8000.00 retail.

I hadn't planned to dispute the opinions of all that respond, but I couldn't help it in this case.

Gene
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Gene,

I'm giving you a price-quote from what they were sold for when the poolroom I managed closed. We had 29 Gold Crown IIIs and 1 Gold Crown IV which were all sold in that range.

Poolrooms do not spend $8,000 on new tables. They spend half that, at most. There's no disputing my opinion. I'm telling you the market, that's it. If you think you can get between $6k and $8k for a 7-year-old commercial table, more power to you. I hope you have the warehousing space.
 
I'm not sure about the III's, but I think the going rate for a GCII around here is about two grand. I paid about $1,900 for mine, with delivery and set up, and everyone I've talked to thought that was a very good deal. I'm certainly no expert, but I would venture a guess that a good GCIII should be worth somewhere in the 3k range, if not more. Again that's just a guess, because I've never actually shopped for a GCIII. One thing I have heard from a couple of, supposedly "in-the-know", people is that there is a farily common sentiment out there that the GCIII is the worst GC ever made. I've played on lots of GCIII's, and found them to be just fine from a playability standpoint, so I don't really know what the basis for the bias, if it in fact exists, is against this model.

Hope you get what you want out of them,

Aaron
 
Jude is O N.

Cuedog said:
Did you read where I indicated the tables are only 7 years old tops? They sold for 6500.00 retail then and the GC 4's are now up to $8000.00 retail.

I hadn't planned to dispute the opinions of all that respond, but I couldn't help it in this case.

Gene
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Jude is right on the money in my opinion. Retail would be around 1800 to 2200 around here(Texas) and a pool hall or dealer would move cautiously at 1,000 to 1,500.

The good news is they are still worth something.

Ray
 
$2,000.00 tops for used ones...that's Chicago area what i was quoted several times...
 
Gc Iii

I bought a GC III that was upgraded with a GC IV top for $2000. He was selling GC IIIs for $1500. He was not going out of business but selling to purchase some new Diamonds.
 
Bigtruck said:
Jude is right on the money in my opinion. Retail would be around 1800 to 2200 around here(Texas) and a pool hall or dealer would move cautiously at 1,000 to 1,500.

The good news is they are still worth something.

Ray
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$1,750 to $2,500 hundred depending on condition..the buyer and including deliver and set up in most cases. If you're planing on delivering and setting up...you get it all, if not...then back out the charges and keep whats left over. Check out ebay for prices, because that's who you're going to compete against. I could give you a number of reasons as to why the GC 3's were the best built by Brunswick but I'll pass on that. One of the reasons they drop so much in price is because the market is flooded with them. I know of 4 in Vegas for $1,250 each that have been in storage for years. Price is not dictated by the seller...it's controlled by the buyer...who for the most part, does not share the same sediments about the value of the tables as you do...sorry. And...I know of a lot of pool rooms that have bought Brunswick GC's...and NOT one paid retail prices for the tables. Almost anyone who knows anything about this industry knows about that kind of pricing. Retail pricing is for home owners who only buy one table and want the name of Brunswick on their table.

Glen
 
cuejoey said:
$2,000.00 tops for used ones...that's Chicago area what i was quoted several times...
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I wish I could have gotten that much. There was no interest in mine on Long Island N.Y until I dropped the price to $1000 and sold it to a friend. Advertisements in newspapers and local poolrooms didn’t generate offers, only questions.
 
Vinman said:
I wish I could have gotten that much. There was no interest in mine on Long Island N.Y until I dropped the price to $1000 and sold it to a friend. Advertisements in newspapers and local poolrooms didn’t generate offers, only questions.
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And the price of advertising nowadays is so high too.!! people who haven't placed an ad in the paper for a few years are usually shocked at the price..
 
Gene,

I live in Rochester NY, so that qualifies as east coast. Nine years ago I bought a 2 year old GCIII (with ball return) for $2500. That price included setup with Simonis 860, a set of Centenials and two bridges. This table was purchased from a pool hall that went out of business. I know that owner paid $3000 per table with standard Brunswick cloth. For every ten tables he purchased he got one free. He had 22 tables, so his table cost was about 2700. IMO, a fair price for you to ask for the tables would be $2000 (cash and carry).

Paul Mon
 
I would say around $1500 is the going rate around this area,$2000 if delivered and set up,i havent heard of anyone paying over $2000 for a GC3.:cool:
 
Condtion is excellent?

I would say delivered and installed (new cloth) in excellent condition fair price would be $2500 for one $2000 a piece if someone took all of them.

But everyones definition of excellent varies. A local pool hall here that went under was selling them for $1500? a piece (you pick up) and they were pretty rough. I think they still have some of them. Probably regional thing. More people are looking for Diamonds these days so the GC3's dont have the asking price they used to.

And as for the MSRP of $8300 that Brunswick quotes.... Our company has NEVER sold a table for retail in 41 years of business. It is an inflated price so dealers can discount it and have "sales". We have never even LISTED a table for retail. Usually brand new out of the box people will pay about $4500 for a GC4 delivered and installed from a Brunswick dealer is what I have been told. That is the price you should probably go by as a fair retail.

FYI...There is a GC4 for sale on Ebay for $2500 that doesnt have a single bid. There is your competition. Good luck to you.
 
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Asking and Getting are two different things...


I don't have an East Coast answer...I only know what I paid for my GCII here in Arizona....(you don't want to know what I paid)
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Gene,

I'm giving you a price-quote from what they were sold for when the poolroom I managed closed. We had 29 Gold Crown IIIs and 1 Gold Crown IV which were all sold in that range.

CueDog<<< I do not doubt that they were sold for that amount, my question is why? A GC 4 for only $1500.00? Somebody got a steal...and somebody got robbed! Period!

Poolrooms do not spend $8,000 on new tables. They spend half that, at most.

There's no disputing my opinion.

CueDog<<< If I was disputing anything, it was that you lead us to believe that what you said was fact, not just an opinion.

I'm telling you the market, that's it. If you think you can get between $6k and $8k for a 7-year-old commercial table, more power to you. I hope you have the warehousing space.
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As far as the rest of what you had to say, I have to believe you did not read what I wrote carefully enough. Nowhere did I write that poolrooms pay full retail for the tables we purchase. I was simply quoting the RETAIL pricing for comparison sake. A more fair comparison , I will admit, would have been less misleading being that most dealers will discount the MSRP.

Once again, I feel you are reading things into what I wrote if you, for one minute, think that I implied that I felt I could get anywhere near retail for my tables. Warehousing won't be needed for long once I decide to sell. That's why I started this thread. Remember? I'm looking to get and give a FAIR price.
Thanks for your input...I think.

Gene
 
I want to thank you all that have responded so far. This has been interesting to say the least. Keep the quotes coming.

I believe one thing that is important to remember is the relatively low years of use on these. GC III's were introduced well over 20 years ago. With this in mind, I believe age has some bearing here as to the value.

Bottom line though, it always boils down to the amount the seller is willing to sell for and the amount the buyer is willing to pay.

Gene
 
Just bumping to see if I can get a few more responses on this subject. Thanks again.

Gene
 
No offense Gene, but you've gotten several responses, all from different areas of the country, and all relatively within the same price range. What is it that you want to hear? Like you, and others said, the tables are worth what people are willing to pay for them...and in this case that's between $1000 & $2500 each. That a LOT of wiggle room, but you're not going to get more than that. It wouldn't matter if the tables were BRAND NEW, and had been 'stored' for 20 yrs, you still would not get more money for them. GCIII's are not a much sought after table, and the demand and sale prices reflect that. Sorry if that's not what you'd like to hear, but those are the facts.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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