Attaching The Forearm To The Handle On A Southwest

J$Cincy

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Does Anyone Know How Southwest Attaches The Forearm To The Handle Of The Cue. Do They Use A Metal Screw Or Tenon The Handle Into The Forearm. Just An Inquiring Mind Wanting To Know...js
 
I believe they use the same 3/8 11 pin in there with a short 1/2 long tenon.
It's been so long since I saw an x-ray of it.
 
i thought the tenon was a little longer but i think Joey is right.the pin and tenon is what i was told anyway.
 
They have a formula for what wieght you want the cue to be, that determines what length and wieght pin they use along with a tennon. They weigh every piece independently then apply the formula... aluminum, brass, steel connecting pin & how long it should be.
 
aluminum, brass, steel connecting pin & how long it should be.

they do use aluminum?

i knew they varied the lebgth of the pin,but i figured they didn't use aluminum b/c their cues are always so heavy.

how long is the tenon?
 
masonh said:
they do use aluminum?

i knew they varied the lebgth of the pin,but i figured they didn't use aluminum b/c their cues are always so heavy.

how long is the tenon?
Me no like metal there. Aluminum maybe. Metal, no.
 
Been several years since I was last at the shop call her or swing into the shop they show you just about everythig. I just fall in love with the cues and machinery to really pay attention to the whole build up cycle. You are right they very length of the pin and the metal used in certain cues deppending if the customer wants a really light cue,It's hard to find a lite Southwest most are butt heavy. Occasionaly I find one I like but it's rare mostl'y just flip em.
 
J$Cincy said:
Does Anyone Know How Southwest Attaches The Forearm To The Handle Of The Cue. Do They Use A Metal Screw Or Tenon The Handle Into The Forearm. Just An Inquiring Mind Wanting To Know...js
You may try contacting Rick Howard, Florida cue-maker...
I read where HE actually disected a S/W Cue to inspect construction"
 
masonh said:
they do use aluminum?

i knew they varied the lebgth of the pin,but i figured they didn't use aluminum b/c their cues are always so heavy.

how long is the tenon?

Remember they don't core and the forearm is a thick taper
.826 joint X approx. 1.055 to 1.060 at splice.
 
yes,mine are cut to the same specs .825" and 1.050" and with aluminum a the a-joint i can get them pretty light,but i also didin't consider point wood weight.i haven't built any cues with points yet,and i guess they would add weight too.
 
masonh said:
yes,mine are cut to the same specs .825" and 1.050" and with aluminum a the a-joint i can get them pretty light,but i also didin't consider point wood weight.i haven't built any cues with points yet,and i guess they would add weight too.

The point wood may or may not add weight to it depending on the type of wood, but I would think the epoxy might be what adds weight to the forearm also? Or am I thinking of too heavy of an adhesive? I haven't gotten into cuemaking yet, so I'm just thinking out loud here....
 
johnf_34 said:
The point wood may or may not add weight to it depending on the type of wood, but I would think the epoxy might be what adds weight to the forearm also? Or am I thinking of too heavy of an adhesive? I haven't gotten into cuemaking yet, so I'm just thinking out loud here....
Epoxy is very light. Barely more than wood probably.
As Mike mentioned, SW are fat at the bottom of the forearm.
A straight-taper cue with .840 joint size and 1.250 at the bottom is only around 1.01 at the bottom. Heck of a difference with 1.060.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Epoxy is very light. Barely more than wood probably.
As Mike mentioned, SW are fat at the bottom of the forearm.
A straight-taper cue with .840 joint size and 1.250 at the bottom is only around 1.01 at the bottom. Heck of a difference with 1.060.

Actually, that's less than .030" per side increase at the 'A' jnt. and on a descending taper to boot, to a joint that's smaller than most. I don't see that adding a significant amount of wght. That's easily compensated for in selection of forearm wood. SW does use a variety of dense, exotic hardwoods in their forearms.

I've never had a SW apart so I don't know for sure, but if I were to venture a guess, I'd say they use a metal threaded pin, be it alum., brass or steel as the cue required, as well as a tenon system.
 
I'd say they use a metal threaded pin, be it alum., brass or steel as the cue required, as well as a tenon system

3" of 3/8" aluminum would only weigh 7-8 grams.that is why i was asking if n10spool could confirm that they do use aluminum.
 
brianna187 said:
they do not us any pins at all all weights are natuarl

that is what i was told, that was one of kersenbrocks things, the handle has reverse threads on the tenon system in the handle... the forearm and butt screw onto the handle. i dont think they really care about balance points anymore, but jerry would adjust the balance point with the length of the brass joint pin (or the actual weight of it). my buddy has a predate that weighs like 18.5 oz. , they just have lost their drive to customize anymore. i received a brand new cue from them last year. it was birdseye and lacewood, that thing weighed like 22.5 oz. balance point about 15" from the butt. i mean wtf; pretty close to the 19 oz. 19" balance point i wanted.
 
J$Cincy said:
that is what i was told, that was one of kersenbrocks things, the handle has reverse threads on the tenon system in the handle... the forearm and butt screw onto the handle. i dont think they really care about balance points anymore, but jerry would adjust the balance point with the length of the brass joint pin (or the actual weight of it). my buddy has a predate that weighs like 18.5 oz. , they just have lost their drive to customize anymore. i received a brand new cue from them last year. it was birdseye and lacewood, that thing weighed like 22.5 oz. balance point about 15" from the butt. i mean wtf; pretty close to the 19 oz. 19" balance point i wanted.
There's 4 oz of added weight there somehow.
 
There's 4 oz of added weight there somehow.

exactly,and we know the joint pin weighs a little over an ounce,so where is the rest.i was always told they do use an a-bolt.that doesn't mean they do,it is just what i was told.

we need to get some rich guy to disect one.
 
If your in vegas , ask laurie for a tour she has a model that she will show
you of the butt section. The cues have three pins. The butt section threads on as well then sealed with the epoxy. I really enjoyed the tour
and Laurie was very nice and even showed me how they cut there points.
I have talked with so many cue makers that were so hush hush on there construction but not Laurie. I was impressed with the work and care that goes into each cue.
matt
 
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