Attention WPBA....How is this fair?

DogsPlayingPool said:
What about if a player is A) Either already has a spot on the big tour for the next year or, B) already is exempt into the Q Tournament for spots for next year, then they shouldn't play. If the only way for the pro player to get back to the tour for the following year is to earn a spot into the Q Tournament through good play on the regional tours (essentially they are in the same position as all the regular regional tour players) then they can play.
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there are many angles that need to be ironed out for the players - regional and pro alike. the state of the WPBA tour/satellite tour will definitely play into the picture and for now, the growing pains continue I suppose until someone comes up with a clear plan for all and makes ALL the tours stick to it.
 
P.S. I do believe that the WPBA and the regional tour directors need to have another sit-down/conference call and iron this out for next season. This is an issue that they all need to add input into and decide how to proceed.
 
9balllvr said:
P.S. I do believe that the WPBA and the regional tour directors need to have another sit-down/conference call and iron this out for next season. This is an issue that they all need to add input into and decide how to proceed.
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Let me ask you a question, just for curiosity's sake, if you don't mind.

I know that you really love shooting pool. Which is more fun? Leagues or regional tournaments?
 
JAM said:
Let me ask you a question, just for curiosity's sake, if you don't mind.

I know that you really love shooting pool. Which is more fun? Leagues or regional tournaments?
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no question, regional tournaments - it forces you to play your best and if you don't, you go home with less money in your pocket! for competitive people, it is the way to go (not the money part ;o)). point taken but unfortunately, I don't get the final say-so.
 
9balllvr said:
no question, regional tournaments - it forces you to play your best and if you don't, you go home with less money in your pocket! for competitive people, it is the way to go (not the money part ;o)). point taken but unfortunately, I don't get the final say-so.
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I understand your thoughts.

In other words, regional tournaments help to advance your pool-shooting skills set. Whereas, leagues may be deemed as more recreational by some.

I never played on the regional tours when I was shooting pool. In fact, I don't think they had very many of them around then, at least in my area.

I was more of a league shooter, and I really did have fun. We had teams and played teams of other local taverns. It did get competitive too. It was 8-ball on a bar box. I had so much fun then with pool, much more than this professional pool scene that I have the privilege of being a railbird in today. :o
 
The situation with the regional tours is definitely a dilema.

IMHO, the regional tours are the stepping stones into the WPBA, including the new satelite tournaments. I consider the regional tour players better, and more serious about the game, than league players. Those players that are primarily interested in the social aspects of playing should stick with the leagues. Those looking to advance to the pro level should be willing to challenge themselves and match up with the pro players.

Hopefully, sometime in the near future, there will be enough money in pool and pro players won't need to, nor care to, play in regional events. Until that time comes, pros should be allowed to play. Yes, they will win most of the money most of the time. Everyone has to accept that. The non-pro regional players could consider playing the pros as part of their pool education. It will definitely challenge them and they will learn just how strong, or weak, their own game is.
 
I will bet that if all the tours had a blind vote on weather to allow the top 40 to play, the majority would vote no. This is why the tours that allow pros won't have a blind vote....it's called control. Most members just don't want to rock the boat. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I will bet that if all the tours had a blind vote on weather to allow the top 40 to play, the majority would vote no. This is why the tours that allow pros won't have a blind vote....it's called control. Most members just don't want to rock the boat. Johnnyt
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On the money again Johnny!! They should hook up a Lie Detector machine to the ones that openly say they want the top WPBA players in the tournament. I would be willing to bet more than 50% would be telling a fib in order to not "rock the boat" as you put it.

I hope they resolve the issue, and I am glad that this thread brought some attention to the subject.
 
Johnnyt said:
I will bet that if all the tours had a blind vote on weather to allow the top 40 to play, the majority would vote no. This is why the tours that allow pros won't have a blind vote....it's called control. Most members just don't want to rock the boat. Johnnyt
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I am going to have to DISAGREE with this statement as a player because if I truly want to become a pro myself I am going to be able to think long-term and realize that I will have nowhere to play!

I also don't think a lot of the women that play on these tours are overly shy and afraid to "rock the boat". Most are quite open about where they stand.
 
9balllvr said:
then another thought came up, if that is done, hypothetical of course - but if you limit the top 40 WPBA players and they don't do well the year they are on tour, the following year they have no way to get on tour because they were excluded from playing in regional events to "qualify" by points to get to the regional tour championship.

so, really, what do you do if you are a tour director? what truly is fair for all involved (and to keep your members happy and coming back)?
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Glad it was brought up at!

FYI.... As I mentioned before,

"From what I understand and have heard, the players on the WPBA ranked 41-64 (or so) at the end of the year will be automatically invited to the Regional Tour Championship (RTC). The RTC is the tournament that will now be how players get a spot to play on the WPBA. The RTC will obviously also have a certain number of spots from EACH Regional Women's Tour. So, about 64 players will be at the RTC - some from the WPBA ranked 41-64 AND the top players of each regional tour.

The top finishers (a certain percentage) of that tournament (the RTC) will then have a spot on the WPBA for the following year. This is the replacement for the individual qualifiers that have been the norm for all these years."

The OB Cues Ladies doesn't allow touring pros, but we now use the exempt/nonexempt new status that the WPBA has created to decide what "touring pros" are.
 
As far as I see it, the event should be open to those who are looking to qualify. If a player has already made the cut they should not be involved. However the draw works out could keep a new name from making it to the bigger event.

In 5 or 10 years time this could be the reason the womens circuit finds itself dying because there are no fresh faces on the tour!
 
chilli66 said:
As far as I see it, the event should be open to those who are looking to qualify. If a player has already made the cut they should not be involved. However the draw works out could keep a new name from making it to the bigger event.

In 5 or 10 years time this could be the reason the womens circuit finds itself dying because there are no fresh faces on the tour!
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It seems like it may not last another year or two, with only a few events scheduled this year.

Why not run the tournaments as opens, seed the top 32 in points, and have a qualifier that is held the day before each one to fill the field.
 
chilli66 said:
As far as I see it, the event should be open to those who are looking to qualify. If a player has already made the cut they should not be involved. However the draw works out could keep a new name from making it to the bigger event.

In 5 or 10 years time this could be the reason the womens circuit finds itself dying because there are no fresh faces on the tour!
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I don't know how you can say this.

Currently, there are a number of fresh faces winning and finishing high in WPBA tournaments. They all had to come through the regional tour system and qualify at one point. The days of all tournaments being won by Allison and Karen are gone. This has happened under the current regional tour rules, where, at times, pros are allowed to play. Better competition creates better players.

If regional players never have to play better players, they will not be challenged and they will not improve. When they finally do obtain a spot in a WPBA tournament, they will be so shocked and out classed, they will go two and out. They will continue to go two and out until they get more seasoning playing the better players. Getting that seasoning on the regional level is a big advantage.

I'm really confused. When posters are discussing men players, they say they should gamble with better players, losing their money, to gain the experience and seasoning. In this thread, discussing the lady players, a number of people want to protect them from the better players. What is the difference?
 
Rich R. said:
I don't know how you can say this.

Currently, there are a number of fresh faces winning and finishing high in WPBA tournaments. They all had to come through the regional tour system and qualify at one point. The days of all tournaments being won by Allison and Karen are gone. This has happened under the current regional tour rules, where, at times, pros are allowed to play. Better competition creates better players.

If regional players never have to play better players, they will not be challenged and they will not improve. When they finally do obtain a spot in a WPBA tournament, they will be so shocked and out classed, they will go two and out. They will continue to go two and out until they get more seasoning playing the better players. Getting that seasoning on the regional level is a big advantage.

I'm really confused. When posters are discussing men players, they say they should gamble with better players, losing their money, to gain the experience and seasoning. In this thread, discussing the lady players, a number of people want to protect them from the better players. What is the difference?
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In the top 12 there are 3 fresh faces as you put it. X Pan, Yu Ram Cha, and Iris Ranola. All 3 were champions in their home country before they ever came to the US. They got their seasoning in their country...NOT the regional tours here. Johnnyt
 
There isn't a lot of money in pool. If you prevent the pros from making a decent living you will be left with a bunch of B players. I would enjoy a chance to get in a tournament and play against a well known pro.
 
alstl said:
There isn't a lot of money in pool. If you prevent the pros from making a decent living you will be left with a bunch of B players. I would enjoy a chance to get in a tournament and play against a well known pro.
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There is no money in pool. That is a lot of peoples fault over the years. But even if you fixed all that was wrong with pool, there still might not be much money in it. I feel the pool games are too boring to watch for most mainstream that don't understand how hard it really is to play pool at the top level.

A start would be a player's Org. Then half hour shows on TV geared to lessons in basics and advanced, and also an explanation of 8, 9, 10-ball, and maybe 14.1. After watching a few shows they would have a good or a better idea of what's going on at the table. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
In the top 12 there are 3 fresh faces as you put it. X Pan, Yu Ram Cha, and Iris Ranola. All 3 were champions in their home country before they ever came to the US. They got their seasoning in their country...NOT the regional tours here. Johnnyt
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Everything is relative. By "fresh faces" I was referring to someone other than Allison and Karen.

Also, the fact that many of these players got their seasoning in their home countries doesn't matter. No one gets a pass to the WPBA Tour. They all came through the regional tour system in this country and many of them took a few tournaments before they started winning regional events. Whether you know it or not, there is a lot of talent on the regional tours and winning isn't automatic because you happen to be a champion in another country.
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