B.C.A. Rules, Legal or Not ?

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Can you KNEEL on you KNEES when using a Bridge, or MUST ONE FOOT be touching the Floor?
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Bruce S. de Lis said:


Can you KNEEL on you KNEES when using a Bridge, or MUST ONE FOOT be touching the Floor?
:confused:

I'm more confused than you, and have no idea if it is against the rules, but I can't hardly reach the table if I'm on my knees. How does one shoot from below the table ? Maybe it's that 'feel' thing people keep talking about.

Dave
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:


Can you KNEEL on you KNEES when using a Bridge, or MUST ONE FOOT be touching the Floor?
:confused:


How would you kneel on your knees and one foot not be on the floor :confused:

Jim
 
OWWWWW!!!! I think I just pulled a hamstring trying this! :D

Seriously, I think Jim is right. Even kneeling, some part of your foot is touching the floor; at least as much as when you are spread across the table and barely keeping the tip of your shoe touching the floor to be legal.
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:


Can you KNEEL on you KNEES when using a Bridge, or MUST ONE FOOT be touching the Floor?
:confused:


You're reading into the letter of the law rather than the spirit. The rule is intended to keep people from sitting on the table while shooting. The basic understanding is that you must be in contact with the floor when the tip of your cue contacts the cue-ball. Aside from whether or not its physically possible to kneel on your knees w/o balancing yourself with your foot, you are within the realm of what was intended.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
You're reading into the letter of the law rather than the spirit. The rule is intended to keep people from sitting on the table while shooting.

Technically it's not enforceable. In theory you wouldn't foul if you went table swimming as long as you were wearing winklepickers or clowns boots, but there is nothing in the rules that allows you to be penalised simply for wearing the wrong shoes.

Boro Nut
 
jhendri2 said:
How would you kneel on your knees and one foot not be on the floor :confused:

Jim

That was my Point Yesterday when I was told KEELING was a Foul. As both Toe were touching the Floor, and the Toe is attached to the Foot..... ;)
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
That was my Point Yesterday when I was told KEELING was a Foul. As both Toe were touching the Floor, and the Toe is attached to the Foot..... ;)

Whoever told you that is an idiot. Tell'em to practice more if they need to try BS like that.

Sometimes people can't see the forest through the trees, like Jude said, follow the intent of the rules.

Jim
 
Hi Bruce,

How about this one. One of my good friends played Aaron Aragon in Reno at The Sands. When Aaron was about to win his ninth point, my friend called the Ref over and complained that he didn't have one "foot" on the floor.

Seriously, both Aaron and the Ref knew my friend was kidding. He is well known for that. However, it brings up an interesting point. Who ever called the foul on you should read the BCA rule book. Having played BCA pool for over a decade, I find that very few of both my opponents and the trained Refs actually know the rules of the game. Too few of them play the game at a high enough level to understand why the rules are so important.

Lyn
 
My understanding is that you need only touch the ground with any part of your body. Why not have really tall shoes?
 
Boro Nut said:
Technically it's not enforceable. In theory you wouldn't foul if you went table swimming as long as you were wearing winklepickers or clowns boots, but there is nothing in the rules that allows you to be penalised simply for wearing the wrong shoes.

Boro Nut


Actually, from what I remember THEY DO MENTION SHOES IN THE RULE BOOK! LOLOL, check yourself. You must wear standard footwear from what I remember.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Actually, from what I remember THEY DO MENTION SHOES IN THE RULE BOOK! LOLOL, check yourself. You must wear standard footwear from what I remember.

God's honest truth --- I knew a guy in Germany - Ron Gisel who used to play barefoot in the pool halls. He was a helluva good player too.

Jim
 
jhendri2 said:
God's honest truth --- I knew a guy in Germany - Ron Gisel who used to play barefoot in the pool halls. He was a helluva good player too.

Jim


You know, I wasn't even thinking along those lines. Barefoot would probably be okay. I got the impression it was to discourage someone from wearing shoes that would give them an unusual amount of height (platforms).


I'm editting... Here we go:

3.13 FOOT ON FLOOR
Player must have at least one foot in contact with the floor at the moment the cue tip contacts the cue ball, or the shot is a foul. Foot attire must be normal in regard to size, shape and manner in which it is worn.
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
That was my Point Yesterday when I was told KEELING was a Foul. ;)

Tell whoever said that to F off. There are no fouls to be called in the event that death occurs.
 
MaryD said:
That's interesting. I'm wondering in whose opinion does the footwear have to be normal.

I wear platform shoes just about every day, just because I like them. They usually add 4 to 5 inches to my height. I'm only 5'4" to begin with, so it's not like they make me unusually tall.

The question of shoes has actually occurred to me before - I wondered whether it affects my stance that my height can vary by a few inches on any given day. But it never occurred to me that anyone might consider my Steve Madden boots to be cheating! LOL

Mary


It's all very interesting, especially when it comes to women's footwear. As a rule, you might want to have a back-up plan whenever wearing footwear that might be questionable. Physically, there is a difference between high-heels and platforms since a woman wearing high-heels is already extended. I doubt it would ever be called but you never know.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Actually, from what I remember THEY DO MENTION SHOES IN THE RULE BOOK! LOLOL, check yourself. You must wear standard footwear from what I remember.

That must put a lot of responsibility on your shoulders Jude. People must be ringing you up at all hours asking you to remember if their shoes are standard or not. Why don't you just start up a company called 'Standard' making winklepickers for pool players and get some peace of an evening?

Boro Nut
 
Boro Nut said:
That must put a lot of responsibility on your shoulders Jude. People must be ringing you up at all hours asking you to remember if their shoes are standard or not. Why don't you just start up a company called 'Standard' making winklepickers for pool players and get some peace of an evening?

Boro Nut


Per your suggestion, all questions can now be directed to:

juderosenstock@winklepickersforpoolplayers.org
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Physically, there is a difference between high-heels and platforms since a woman wearing high-heels is already extended.

I think you're a bit out on the chronology Jude. It's generally deciding which pair to wear that extends them.

Boro Nut
 
cardiac kid said:
I find that very few of both my opponents and the trained Refs actually know the rules of the game. Too few of them play the game at a high enough level to understand why the rules are so important.

Lyn

Well I carry a Rule Book weith me, and I have read it. Most of the Bozo's who CRY FOUL have never read the rules....
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Well I carry a Rule Book weith me, and I have read it. Most of the Bozo's who CRY FOUL have never read the rules....
I have a BCA book at home, and i think i still have one in my car.
Only one person that ever called "FOUL" had actually read the damn book, he just mis-interperted it.
So i'm batting a thousand :p
:D
Good observation Bruce.
 
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