B.I.H. How Do You Get Out?

pt109 said:
I like it...much easier to avoid getting straight on the 4-ball.

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I wonder how many other top players would have chosen to get above the 3 and go 4 rails for shape on the 4. I think the main problem with getting straight on the 3 and simply drawing back is that you need to get nearly perfectly straight or you can run into pockets and such. Ball in hand on the 2 removes most of that problem.
 
I would have simply made the two, got an angle on the 3, then gone off the rail by the 3 to the rail on the left bottom half of the table about by the middle diamond, and across again between the 8 and 4. Very easy position play, and almost all natural.
 
With bih on the two ball, any top player should be able to get the cue ball about a foot away from the three ball and straight in. If you're off a bit from straight in it's till ok because there is a big area for the four ball so that it still would be workable.

The three ball appears to be close enough to the rail that the side pocket option for it may present a problem for many. I doubt that most pros would not have chosen that option. Draw too much then you will have a huge problem in trying to get to the four ball,draw too short then the cut into the side pocket becomes difficult.

I like position for the three ball to the corner pocket and close enough to it to make the draw shot to the four ball very manageable to obtain the angle on the four ball to draw back two rails for the five in the side pocket.
 
I just tried the layout for an hour straight before reading the thread. I was trying to break out the 5 and 9. I had about a 1/4" gap between mine.

This was a HARD out. Granted, I'm not a good player, but it was full of issues. I got out 3 times, and I think I missed the 9 another 3 times because I got bad on it.

I tried breaking out the 5 and 9 1 rail off the 2 with BIH. If I hit them softly, I often got stuck either behind the 5, or on top of the 9, depending on which ball I hit first. The best result was hitting right between the 5 and 9. This moved both balls away from the CB.

When I tried slightly higher speed on the breakout (so the ideal split hit maybe was not so critical), the 5 would often get near the long rail, which then created problems later in the rack getting on the 6, and also getting from the 3 to the 4. Sometimes it ended up in the way of the CB.

Now, the next issue was I was having trouble making the 3 from the CB about on the spot. But, that's on me, not the shot selection. I kept hitting way too full. Once I dialed it in though, I started hitting it well.

The stroke and speed to pocket the 3 and get on the 4, (with the CB starting near the spot), lended itself almost every time to getting straight on the 4. It was uncanny. This is where the aforementioned bumping of the 5/9 came into play when they blocked the 6. Being straight on the 4 meant limited position options to play on where the 5 landed.

I have it all recorded, but I don't think anyone wants to watch me shoot for an hour! lol. Maybe I'll try to edit it and just post the successful attempts.

Links added (Each is only 2 min long of a successful runout). You can see many of the issues I mentioned above occur during the 3 videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc8mFaYPiqY&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bim5jEGwe0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My1iAsl_X34&feature=youtu.be
 
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saftey

I'm not Efrin or an open player so I would try the safe.
Put the 2 by the 6 kicking out the 9-5
if I still have any clusters I would go for the 3rd safe
if not I must try the run out.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I wonder how many other top players would have chosen to get above the 3 and go 4 rails for shape on the 4. I think the main problem with getting straight on the 3 and simply drawing back is that you need to get nearly perfectly straight or you can run into pockets and such. Ball in hand on the 2 removes most of that problem.
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There must be three or four times Rory Hendrickson--strongest player in Fargo--admonished me for NOT seeing and playing shape for Efren's shot. It usually makes a lot of sense, and I think this is a straightforward shot that top players sometimes fail to see.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I just tried the layout for an hour straight before reading the thread. I was trying to break out the 5 and 9. I had about a 1/4" gap between mine.

This was a HARD out. Granted, I'm not a good player, but it was full of issues. I got out 3 times, and I think I missed the 9 another 3 times because I got bad on it.
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Don't feel bad about getting bad on the 9, Efren did!:D.

ONB

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Hey ONB,

How did Efren get from the 4 to the 5? What angle did he have? Can you show the angle on both the 4 and the 5?

I might have set up my 5/9 too tight. The 5 went in the side but it had a very tiny position window.

I tried the out without breaking up the cluster several times by getting straight on the 3 and drawing straight back for the 4. I hit it very well, but the position window to get on the 4 with the right angle to get on the 5 in the side was super tight.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Hey ONB,

How did Efren get from the 4 to the 5? What angle did he have? Can you show the angle on both the 4 and the 5?

I might have set up my 5/9 too tight. The 5 went in the side but it had a very tiny position window.

I tried the out without breaking up the cluster several times by getting straight on the 3 and drawing straight back for the 4. I hit it very well, but the position window to get on the 4 with the right angle to get on the 5 in the side was super tight.
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I remember this match now. This is from the 2004 US Open when Efren lost to Corey hill-hill (link to Accu-stats video). This match is forever engrained in my memory because I saw it on ESPN just when I started getting into pool. As a complete novice, I was completely mesmerized by the CB control by both Efren and Corey. This is one of the first matches that got me hooked on pool.

IIRC, he got nearly straight in on the 4 but had just enough angle to force the CB two rails (with low-left) for perfect shape on the 5 into the left side pocket. I don't remember how he got to the 6, if he simply followed the CB or went one rail with inside.

It was a great match. Efren blew it and Corey hit one of the most amazing shots at the very end. Unfortunately I can't find it on youtube anymore.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
Hey ONB,

How did Efren get from the 4 to the 5? What angle did he have? Can you show the angle on both the 4 and the 5?

I might have set up my 5/9 too tight. The 5 went in the side but it had a very tiny position window.

I tried the out without breaking up the cluster several times by getting straight on the 3 and drawing straight back for the 4. I hit it very well, but the position window to get on the 4 with the right angle to get on the 5 in the side was super tight.
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3 to the 4 like this:

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4 to the 5 like this:

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Efren's cueball never hit another ball except for the ball he was shooting:eek:.

ONB
 
ill just bank the 5 on either side pockets - whichever has the better position after shooting the 4
 
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